this is the terry schiavo of health fixes, if biden signs on he concedes his boss' hallmark achieve wasenure was a failure. obamacare is dead. >> but none have the nards to fix our insurance issues, except here where we are swimming in nards. allow them to buy what they want lift some pointless regulations, and encourage tea people to open healthcare savings accounts. and block grant money to state, to eto innovate without federal oversight and use money where really needed for most vu vulnerableses, and have price transparency to see what treatments and procedures actually cost, there have you it 4 nards for the twice price of 1, that is the momento. -- memo. >> health care is shaping up upo be one of the biggest issues in 2020, are democrats hurting themselve by doubling down on obama care? joining me to discuss national taxpayer union senior fellow, forward strategy president, mattie dupler, welcome back. >> hey. kennedy: who wins in this clash of creteons. >> we know who does not, and has not won, debate in washington about people who are clinging to obamacare, and people who want t