but terry anderson says of this kind of thinking is just stupid? it is, and if you think about it for very long it's stupid for three reasons. one is every time hunting has been banned, we end up with fewer animals. kenya outlawed all hunting in 1977. since then 70% of the wildlife population has disappeared to people that are killing them illegally. stossel: so they ban it and people just ignore the law? >> especially the local people who want to meet. they kill those animals for meat and then they don't kill them in any sustainable basis. so the population of lions has fallen from 20,077 to now less than 2000. stossel: because nobody has any real stake. >> there is no ownership. the case of cecil the lion, it was illegal and unethical and didn't follow the rules. stossel: this was a bad guy, his guides qaeda dead animal to a truck to lure the lion out of the national park. they broke the rules. >> that's not hunting, it's illegal. but it isn't is reason to outlaw hunting, which is a part of management. if we didn't have hunting in all parts of th