joining me now in the studio steve de lay's terry chan terry what started as a peaceful movement is now turning more and more violent how has it come to this yes so you're right at the beginning the process was largely peaceful when there were 1w2w people went on the streets it was very orderly and some family brought their. troops to the protests and they all went well but then in the 2nd week of the protest the police start to use a very aggressive approach to dispose of protestors and many people saying that this is unnecessary violence and so the trust between the protesters to the police release them aged and now you can see the protesters are always carrying out and they always wear helmets and face to protect themselves because they think that it's almost certain that the police will be dispersed them at the end of the protest this started as a protest against a controversial extradition bill that bill has since been shelved but people still come out every weekend why yes so the fear has been shelved but then the people are actually asking for it to be tentatively strong so there