how about the same tailors whoever dressed frank sinatra, jack nicholson, ringo starr? terryte and stephen lachter are here from kent, haste, and lachter. how is it you got into making suits? >> i got into because i loved it. it's a passion. >> you started out working for other bigger stores and retailers? >> all three of us within our partnership started in london. it was a small, very exclusive tailor, and we all started there together. >> you started there together. terry, let's talk about the cost of tailoring. people want to know what they need to spend to get the top-notch suit. >> about 3000 pounds, which is about $5,000 i think. depending on the fabric. but that gives you a good start, good price. >> you guys are so reticent. we talked about some celebrities. frank sinatra, for example. let's start there. did you do frank sinatra's collar size? >> i did. >> small, large, chest and waist? >> it was very good. >> what kind of shirts did he order? >> mainly plain white and some casual shirts. >> look at that, there i am. somehow -- i am not next to frank sinatra and bing