all right, we're going to work on terry goreman.up that's being forgotten here are the man who we just saw in this sound bite, i worked so hard to get my family here legally and he wants his children to have the advantage of having come here legally. what about kids who live out of state in massachusetts? or connecticut, or all those surrounding places to rhode island and all those other states who are out of staters, why should they pay $25,000, when the illegal immigrant child is paying $9000? >> well, there's a decision made that people who live in the state should get lower rates. that's true i think of all state universities. if you've got a student who has finished high school, in the state of rhode island, who is proven that he or she is qualified to go to the university, we've made investments in the student already, the decision of 11, 12 states has been, including texas and utah, these are tough -- >> martha: i understand. >> to invest in these kids. i mean, look, ideally, we wouldn't have this issue. ideally, we would hav