i want to get to terry liles, psychologist.ack to my point -- is it time to refocus the debate over racism from a psychological perspective and say in the 21st century, people are behaving like this, they have a problem that they need to look at, that this is a sign of their low self-esteem that they need -- they feel the need to exhibit this kind of racism? >> yeah, this becomes a power control kind of exertion of who they are and who they're not. and i think one way to remedy this is the old-fashioned way. you've just got to educate people. bar owners and restaurant owners, i mean, they need to be very, very clear -- >> i've got to disagree with you. >> a dress code that's nothing to do -- >> i don't think it has anything to do with this, tanya acker. i don't think you can educate a bouncer -- >> then you need to fire him. >> in 2009, if you're telling me this bouncer doesn't get that it's not okay to discriminate against black people, i don't know what more we can do in terms of his education. >> that's not what i said. >> n