i looked and say, oh, my god, terry mcauliffe wouldn't be governor if it weren't for black women. ng out of the bathroom and who is standing there waiting in line but governor mcauliffe. i said, hey, i wrote a column jumps in and says african-american women. so terry mccoughlin knows it. governor north ham knows it, senator jones knows it. if only the overall democratic party knew it and understood it, that they would do things to actively engage this, not only foundation of the democratic party or cornerstone of the democratic party, but proven electoral victors for people running for office. >> i just want to offer, in the doug jones race, you have to give credit to congresswoman terry sewell, a black woman who built a coalition in the state of alabama. she recruited black women validaters across the country. without her, i don't think doug jones would have made it. still look at the exit polls, it was still an uncomfortably kro close race. black women saved an accused pedophile from roaming the senate, but still very thin margins after that race. >> fascinating conversations, th

joining me right nowr of virgin, former dnc chair, terry mcauliffe, and angela rye. it's great to see you. thank you for being here. the biden campaign made clear his approach is essentially you got to have more than a plan. he has his eye on elizabeth warren. what do you think or want that to look like tonight? >> and i hope what comes out of tonight is that the democratic candidates are actually talking about solutions and they don't spend their time attacking one another. i have been disappointed in the debates to date. i have found them far too negative. democrats have gone after each other. we have to remember, the person we're going after is actually donald trump, and that should be what we talk about tonight, trump and his policies. democrats ought to put out solutions. i will find it inexcusable if the democrats tonight spend their time attacking one another. now, we're in the home stretch. many candidates are teetering, they're having problems raising money. they're having problems paying payroll, they're hoping for a breakout moment. some will be tempted. i

terry mcauliffe says now, because of this, he tells the "new york times" have to take a second look at impeachment, and another centrist democrat, james c carvel in the same story is quoted as saying he had previously opposed impeachment, and thinks now with all of this together, it's time for democrats to move quick and clean on it, or take someone who has been surging in the democratic field elizabeth warren saying congress will become implicit in donald trump's actions if they don't impeach him. and donald trump talking to the ukrainian president, one day after mueller's historic testimony to congress. that may be a hint of something that donald trump's potential or apparent take away from the ending of that two-year probe was not foreign interference is something to avoid, but maybe it's something he just needs to get better at pursuing. i want to begin tonight with two experts on government ethics richer painter, chief white house ethics lawyer and richard shaub who served inside the trump administration, director of something called the office of government ethics, a nonpartisan

. >> host: we are here talking to the former governor of virginia, terry mcauliffe, about his new book, "beyond hiarlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism," and we are bracketed by we are almost at the two-year anniversary of the august 11, august 12 marches in charlottesville that he commemorates. we are also just a few days out from another set of really horrifying murder sprees in america. it's a sobering thing to think that we keep thinking we hit rock bottom. i suspect we thought that two years ago and we are bottoming out again. so, governor,on congratulationsn the book and thanks for making time to talk about it. then it hovers over her so much of the debate we are having right now in america. and it is a question of place. i think it is not an accident that you start the book saying that when you wanted to run for office in virginia, people said to you you are from new york, you are from florida, you are not from here. i17 lived in charlottesville for 17 years and i heard you are not from here a lot. but it has a funny echo in the things that are said when people

will keep as long as its course points. 2015oser in the 2017 gotrial race -- more votes than terry mcauliffend tim kaine. the scare tactics worked. they got 400,000 more virginians out to the polls. aty were all scared gillespie would be chasing little brown kids around in pickup trucks. host: given his own personal general, the attorney does it resonate into a campaign? guest: i think it will with certain candidates. i think they've avoided the governor and lieutenant evan are carefully. .e are term limited they can only run for the one term. he won't be worried about reelection. see they avoidl the governor quite handily. talk about the issues involved. what is your sense of the issues people are most interested about as they consider a president? guest: it's the economy. right now, we see on most streets the economy doing well. you watch the media, they keep saying, well, we could, maybe. as if we learned nothing from lawrence of -- lawrence onald, leading into a new story with dot dot dot, is not journalism. but we seem to be leading into with,n the economic world maybe a recession, and

will keep as long as its course points. 2015oser in the 2017 gotrial race -- more votes than terry mcauliffe and tim kaine. the scare tactics worked. they got 400,000 more virginians out to the polls. aty were all scared gillespie would be chasing little brown kids around in pickup trucks. host: given his own personal general, the attorney does it resonate into a campaign? guest: i think it will with certain candidates. i think they've avoided the governor and lieutenant evan are carefully. .e are term limited they can only run for the one term. he won't be worried about reelection. see they avoidl the governor quite handily. talk about the issues involved. what is your sense of the issues people are most interested about as they consider a president? guest: it's the economy. right now, we see on most streets the economy doing well. you watch the media, they keep saying, well, we could, maybe. as if we learned nothing from lawrence of -- lawrence onald, leading into a new story with dot dot dot, is not journalism. but we seem to be leading into with,n the economic world maybe a recession, an