we will have two speakers, david cohen and terry o'sullivan. >> thank you very much. before get started on what you think hofstra university. this is my third presidential conference. the first one was about a george h. w. bush and i was a lowly graduate student back then and i presented a paper on white house chief of staff a very very critical paper and right before a the panel started, sununu walked in to the panel, set right in the front row. he was given a copy of my paper and proceeded to read my entire paper highlighting it as he went along come and glowering at me the entire time. so if i can survive kashmir thought to to myself if identified as i can basically survive anything in academia. so it was a very good training ground for public speaking from then on. i really interesting first experience and the conference was excellent until looking forward to the next one of these of this covers. our paper is part of a long-term project exploring and analyzing the establishment and functioning of the white house homeland security apparatus following 9/11 which wou