with us, terry shoemaker, attorney, joining us out of st. augustine, florida. terry, what can you -- welcome. and what can you tell us about police meeting with ronald cummings, haleigh's father, behind bars and telling them, advising them, informing them to start plans for a funeral? i mean, they can't bury two cinder blocks and some yellow rope. >> right. it was last tuesday they brought the family members into the sheriff's office. not only ronald but ronald's mother. and also crystal sheffield was brought in to the same location. i don't know if they all met together or not. but they all discussed what turns had taken place in the investigation. they told him it was now a homicide investigation and no longer a missing persons and that they would have enough to go forward if they wanted to make funeral arrangements. >> what do you mean enough? what to go forward with funeral arrangements? enough what? they're not going to put a cinder block and a child -- a little girl's white coffin. so what do they have, mr. shoemaker? don't beat around the bush with me. >>

also with us, from florida, terry shoemaker, the attorney for ronald cummings. what about it, anthony list? what do you make of that scenario? >> nancy, the one bit of evidence that really impresses me is the statement the grandmother made, flora hollins, that -- or hollars that in her prison conversation over the phone this young girl described in detail what had happened. and i would put a lot of weight and credibility to that statement from a grandmother, especially under the circumstances in which it was given. we know it's admissible into evidence, and i think it's very strong evidence, stronger than anything else i've heard. and remind me to give you my impression about trickery used by police and whether or not there's a limit on that. but as far as what we were hearing so far, i think the grandmother's telling the truth. >> mr. list, i've got a feeling i already know what you think about trickery by cops, but what concerns me is the letter of the law and the constitution. but it also carries great weight that you, a defense attorney, would believe the gr

terry shoemaker is joining us out of st. augustine, florida. mr. oemaker, thank you for joining us. i know that you have just visited ronald cummings today, your client, the father of haleigh. how is he doing? >> considering, he's holding up quite well. you know, he's shocked by all the latest news, and he's anxious to finally have an end to this and find out exactly what happened. but overall, he's doing pretty well. >> can you tell us procedurally, earlier in the week we know they called the family to the jail. we know that ronald was taken somewhere. can you -- procedurally, what happened to ronald early this week when authorities came there? >> well, originally, it probably would have been around wednesday i think he was taken out of his cell and he had been in his cell on his own ever since he was arrested. he was taken over to the sheriff's office. they talked to him about what had transpired and the fact that there were some new tips that they were searching. he was then put back -- he has to be put back into general population at that time.

. >> terry shoemaker, they all know the calls are recorded, right? >> absolutely.imes in the system when why clients have talked on a telephone call and it came back to haunt them. >> i'm sure you advise them beforehand don't yak on the phone. just try to hold it in. >>> everyone, let's stop and remember army staff sergeant harrison brown, from alabama, killed in iraq, awarded the bronze star, purple heart, lost his life easter sunday, left a college football scholarship to enlist. the gentle giant. believe behind his grieving mom, two brothers and high school sweetheart. three children, harrison brown, american hero. >>> thanks for our guests, but especially to you for being with us. see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.