among them, none has been more influential and inspiring my life's journey than terry tempest williamse] yeah. terry is a naturalist, author, educator, artist, and activist. she's one of the greatest engaged nature writers in the

recall terry tempest williams words quoted in the books introduction the integrity of our public lands depends on the integrity of our public process within the open space of democracy. promoting and maintaining that integrity demands and honest reckoning with history. the past that includes the exploitation of people and the land as well as the protection of places and democracy. robin wall kimmerer stated the very land on which we stand is our foundation and can be a source of shared identity and common cause the task before us then is to ensure that our common forests parks rangelands and refuges scattered across the nation function as the public's land and not to preserve of one group or another for that undermines the promise of a democratic and ecological citizenship that might bind the nation together. one way we might begin to repair the earth and our politics is with the public lands. thank you so much, adam, and thanks for this conversation today. it's great to hear your insights. again. adam's book is called making america's public lands, and it's out now. i hope you'll all