tesco now, i did not read it. >> host: from me historical perspective, is it a that they no longer take themselves quite >> guest: yeah, i'm currently working on linda johnson and am listening to all the tapes. and frankly, to be able to hear that is extraordinarily hopeful. there is a level kind of intimacy that you can gain of a white house from hearing the interaction between presidents and overseas theaters are members of congress that we don't have since richard nixon, when the tapes went away, as far as we know. and i do think it's a shame. you know, we've lost the tapes, the recordings. from that essay was another kind of communication because the president and executive branch is so frightened about investigation. where this under president clinton and a little bit with president bush that they don't want is written down. don't want it on e-mail. this is a record. you know, presidents can write his memoirs, but in the end i don't think those will shape how we remember the presidency. and not to be self-serving, but it's what historians and journalists who down the rhine. if we d