caller: we think we are the perfect testbed. we have this abundance of every renewable energy source. the challenge here is more difficult. states have what you might call a buffering capacity where they can share electricity with neighboring states. hawaii does not have that luxury. we have independent grids. each have to supply -- balance the supply independently. make sure we can keep the lights on by using renewable energy. that is where the lessons can be learned on how to do that instantaneously. across the country, there is different sources. you have hydroelectric and some places. a lot of wind across the midwest. solar across the southwest. it is those states tapping into the best resources. host: jeff m is joining us fromikulin honolulua -- jeff mik ulina is joining us from honolulu. what are they doing right? caller: some of the states are just blessed with great natural resources. in the northwest, you have a lot of hydroelectric from the large rivers. some of the other states have excellent wind resource. it is tapp

my look at testbeds and many testbed environments is a piece of a bigger puzzle but not as an area of a focus on their own. that needs to change. the full potential of testbeds and their capabilities need to be realized to advance our state of security. imagine a facility that allows for testing our systems in unprecedented ways that enable innovative training for our current and future workforce that exposes our systems to sophisticated attacks and allows us to understand what they look like and how to address them in practice. but the policies and procedures to task and does all of this repeatedly in days or weeks, rather than months, years or decades. the system also needs to be flexible and needs to adapt to the needs and the systems under study and adversarial threat landscape as it evolves. must be prepared and testbeds can help us do that but but such a facility does not exist today. good strides have been made and with the right termination of funding and people it can be fully realized we are only as strong as our weakest link and put into the context of the grid that weakest

i think we had some testbeds but i want to hear from mr. yardley about your thoughts. >> i think there's really two key issues. when is the physical attack on the communications, blocking spectrum, radio snubbing available, lines being down, et cetera. there's also the cyber. what if they are all there but you can't use because you can't trust them? they have been attacked themselves. what do you do? and further, it's one thing to support the normal operations, but how do you support the forensic response as well? how do you enable that channel of communication may be completely different than traditional operations, at its same time you're number one priories to support the normal operations? .gif to weigh that against the ability of forensically communicating to be able to support the operation and enable it in the first place. the second aspect is that with calms under attacked themselves, we are good at defending our communication networks. the internet is defended every day from attack and subversion but we see it happen still. what's

caller: we think we are the perfect testbed. we have this abundance of every renewable energy source. the challenge here is more difficult. states have what you might call a buffering capacity where they can share electricity with neighboring states. hawaii does not have that luxury. we have independent grids. each have to supply -- balance the supply independently. make sure we can keep the lights on by using renewable energy. that is where the lessons can be learned on how to do that instantaneously. across the country, there is different sources. you have hydroelectric and some places. a lot of wind across the midwest. solar across the southwest. it is those states tapping into the best resources. host: jeff m is joining us fromikulin honolulua -- jeff mik ulina is joining us from honolulu. what are they doing right? caller: some of the states are just blessed with great natural resources. in the northwest, you have a lot of hydroelectric from the large rivers. some of the other states have excellent wind resource. it is tapp