when that was the birth of social pluralism in the space of teuvo teravainen. why did it not. did it work in egypt. to what extent is it it succeed in achieving the object difficult. >> if the objective was to see the fear barrier broken, people were calling for a stepping down of the leader, which they hadn't down before. >> mubarak. >> people came to the square saying they would not leave until the change happened. the biggest thing was that the fear barrier broke. it continues to be broken. people come out and protest today. that may be the biggest positive of the arab spring. >> what happened since then, for example in egypt. there's an elected government, oppressive under the counter government. we see 230 deaths apping in police custody. >> this is the outgrowth of return to authoritarianism that is it impressive today. currently needed through the 40,000 political prisoners, we have a wered who, until the -- president who, until the last election, was legislating under the fiat. we saw most of the wars pass, for example, the terrorism war, the freedom of assembly, aind