normalization has been there since 20 tevin -- in 2012. it's looking very tight. it has made her -- if you look at her program, all of the bold policies are there with regard to nationality and such. she stepped back from radicalism and played much more the role of being out and talking to people. we heard and that extract their, she has very much played that kind of part. she has tried to be the candidate of pure populism this time around and it has worked. james: what of the candidates attacks to chi away at the far left candidate who got 30% of the voting? who is more likely to be successful, and tell us why? >> there are difficulties on both sides. e a lot of very angry , whether the yellowjacket movement or whatever they were. they are going to struggle to get over that visceral dislike of macron and his elitist image. le pen, but that's not the same -- he said not to vote for le pen, but that's not the same thing at all. macron has not done a good job and moving the left, either. james: one word on the specter of the high rate of abstention. we saw it in the