came from texas republican mike mccall, chairman of the homeland security subcommittee on oversight and the hearing includes testimony from steve call of the new america foundation and two georgetown university professors who study national security and counterterrorism. the hearing focuses on terrorist groups in pakistan, yemen, and somalia. it's two hours. >> i'd like to welcome our witnesses to this hearing entitled denying safe havens, homeland security's effort to counter threats from pakistan, yemen, and somalia. although, bin laden is dead, al-qaeda and its affiliates are not. they are hiding in safe havens, areas that are exploited by terrorists to recruit, train, raise funds, and plan operations. the department of state has identified 13 countries agenting as safe havens today. today, we examine three that we believe pose the most serious threat to the united states, and that is pakistan, yemen, and somalia, and what is the u.s. government doing to deny these places as a refuge for terrorists? bin laden was the most wanted terrorist, yet he lived comfortably in a town that serves as a head jr. quarters for frontier course and regimens, 41 miles from islam bad contrary to