angemy life in th mt joyful decade i've ever had in -- >> rose: but why? because of the money you made or because of fame you got or because of what? >> because it was -- to my mind if not the best one of the best television series in the history of television and the people involved in it were working at the highest level from david all the way down and we were doing something that felt wonderful to us. it felt exactly right and i give all the credit to david and then you know, casting james gandolfini. the magic of finding jim gandolfini to play tony soprano. in what world would you sks jimmy gandolfini to play the lead in a television series? well, it worked that way and he was so good in the audition that you were so excited by it and it all sort of happened that way. but the writing was theold standard. i would say to david this is arthur milleresque and that would embarrass him terribly and i know how big a statement that is but that was how good i felt it was. >> rose: we'll talk more about how television is changing and then what happens? >> what h

mt talented intellectuals in the world. and they want somebody they can respect as a conversation partner. and i think it's out of th)iá large faculty a couple of thousand people there better be a few who can lead. and my job is to find them. one of my jobs is to pick the talent, give them committee assignments and administrative jobs that would bring out the talent. >> do you have any idea what bart giamatti saw in you? >> i don't know, i was well organized. >> his provost, bilbray national guard, was a mentor of mine and i think bill sort of called me to his attention and it was to bill that i got to know him and got very important assignments even in the university so in may you'll preside over the graduation for the last time. what do you hope these kids leave yale after four years? i think they leave with a deep appreciation of learning. yale opens them to new vistas and to go deeper into >> i would hope that it's more. i've been doing it now, i've been in the graduate education program for the last 25 years after i left school. i would hope what comes away is something that stimulates everybody's curiosity so