president obama does tha look at this clip from this debate against john mccain. >> actually, i am cutting i am spending so that it will be in that spending cut. john: what? what expending cut? ineased spending to at $3 trillion. but newsday columnist ellis henequen -- ellis henican says i am wrong to be so cynical. he said he would cut, and he spent like a drunken sailor. >> we all want a president who will say something way before he becomes elected and feel like he is completely, rigidly tied into that in ways that he cannot deal with events ashe happen. a lot of stuff happens, some of it was pretty bad, and you want a president to is in there being flexible for you john: he was be really flexible. >> okay. john: when he debated hillary clinton he said -- he complained that government spent some much money on programs that don't work, and he was going to eliminate a whole host of them. >> we need to eliminate a host of programs that did not work, and i want to go to the federal budget line by line, pagg by page, programs that do not work we should cut. john: it would be great if he did.

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liz: honeywell, the head, said, look, everyone is nervous tha is why we're not hiring we're worried aboutscal cliff. and alcoa's said we could face a global recession is that worry valid? >> business leaders are worried about whether congress will do the right thing, but, i believe that markets and those business leaders think it will happen. liz: wait, think that -- >> it will get resolved, they do. now by the way, after this cliff, there will be several more cliffs, this is a multiyear process, we're way over leverage. and you could debate why, two tax cuts two wars, we have done nothing to deleverage we have to get started, this first cliff, is just the first installment. i think of a mull year saga. liz: what do you make of this, one idea floated now in washington, ram through a negotiated deal that says we're not going to do anything about fiscal cliff, we'll let it happen, then pullback on that. and then allow bush tax rates to stay for everyone except those in upper bracket to give republicans cover to say look we did put in place a so-called tax rate that is lower, they will call

so tha y's why i think stocks still look pretty good. >> tom: dividend growth is what you're looking at, sdrl, a deep water drilling rig operator and rent oleasor. what headaches you like this stock? >> they have a dividend return of over a 8%. it's operatednd managed by a group oil industry people, mainly from scandinavia. they drill all around the world. their rigs are very modern, and all leased out with a waiting list. so i think they have a good pattern of rising earnings. >> tom: that's in petroleum energy. you also like utility energy, xcel energy, based in the land of 10,000 lakes in minnesota classic, isn't it hre? >> that's ri ht. it's at. classic dividend. the dividend return is over 4%. it operates in the upper midwest, t good regulatoryod bo. so far they seem to be having a rather straightforward relationship with the regulators, and their economy is doing pretty well. >> tom: that's always important with the regulated energy utility companies you also like dow chemical which got hit this week in part because of its competitor did you popt having a less-than-exprcted out

it is only reason in recent years and really this year in a way tha people have starte looking at him again and saying, oh that is not quite the guy i thought he was. >> rose: we conclude this evening with isadore scharff canadian businessman who found add very successful four seasons hotel and resort chain. >> and the employees are the key, because if we are going to have a customer service focus had to have an employee focus. because it is through them they deliver the product. >> rose: they are the interface. >> they are. they are literally the pride, thei approach to their work ethics and thr passion for their job. so it was a concept of, you know, we held out, you know, many years later of what i thought we had a company could do and what i could do best which was only operate medium sized hotels of exceptional quality and to be the best. >> rose: etch thomas and isadore sharp when we continue, funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. dirnl funding provided by these funders. >> additional funding provided by these funders. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multime

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look forward. what do you expect from this week's vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan in. >> well, i am sure thaident biden got a phone call from the white house, and said, you know, look, we didn't go after governor romney as much and you have to turn up the heat. because, you know, the debates are about controlling the ground. whoever is viewed as the one who controls the debate, who is on the offense and i don't necessarily mean attacking your opponent, governor romney didn't attack the president the entire night. governor romney stayed on his message, and, whoever stays on message is going to be viewed as the victor and so i'm sure that vice president biden has been coached to get back on message and to go after paul an, now, how much he can do that, we'll see. and, you know, i'm sure that congressman ryan has been preparing on the policy side and preparing mentally for this and it is the first time he'll have been on the stage and, you know, i think both men will be prepared. >> chris: briefly looking ahead to the next presidential debate on october 16th, nine days from now, you have to kno

tha right? >> hopefully romney will distance himself from these comments. let's lookwhat's going on in the world, delicate operation in libya, all kinds of unrest in europe around the economy. there's a lot of issues for the economy of the president to have on his mind. he can't just campaign and debate prep. he's the president of the united states. he has to weigh things on his mind. who knows what's on his mind at that particular point in time. i don't want to make excuses for him but to suggest he's lazy. president obama does more before 6:00 a.m. than john sununu will do in a month. he's the president of the united states and he has a lot of work to do -- >> professor, i think most people would agree that the president does more in his sleep than john sununu. karen finney, what was underneath this, referring to the president as lazy and a pizza boy? >> well, this is what we have seen time and again from the conservatives in terms of the lack of respect for this president. they have really demeaned the office of the presidency. you had a prominent conservative writ

look bad. >> bill: right. they would not have done that to president obama. we all know tha so the person who did that at the associated press who put thatictuutne asatrehout an apology, which they will after tonight. i guarantee you the associated press will be so embarrassed tomorrow that they will apologize for that appalling display. but it disrbs me that y, who yo generalic gnk athceleav hi country! >> i'm not saying -- i don't think it was a purposeful act on the part of the associated press -- >> come on. >> bill: is there anyby in the country at agrees with that? >> the gl is looki at >> the ap reissue add second caption. >> bill: s what! this makes me angry. you're justifying that. you won't condemn it. it's obviously the worst possible abuse tt the as g. onreyxpin weheilsrei believe me, i'd have a lawyer on the phone, but they're trying to run down a guy that they obviously don't want to see win. >> this is a huge overreaction. >> bill: this is what the mea is right now. hawaeenheef ey've always opposed conservative. but this particular image, number one, it was pu

i look at their said lines, i was like take that. ke take tha juror i was screaming get out of bounds, and turned it up. and i was ecstatic from there. a guy with that type of speed in the quarterback position, you don't see that too often, man. he will make history in this league. >> he has got what they call in the business dave ross speed. that's what he this call it. last night, monday night football -- is that your car? >> i got another ticket. >> i bet you did. >> last night it looked like this sucker was ovt the half. 24-0 san diego. so i went to bed. philip rivers, 4-0 lead at home. in the powder blue uniforms, i mean they got this thing taking care of. >> then captain turnover. >> captain turnover had four picks. >> and two fumbles. >> six turnovers in one game. >> we are talking about not a practice, a real game gentleman he has the most turn overs of any nfl quarterback in the last two years. >> your gay, peyton manning brought them back. they get it done. 5 unanswered points by denver. both of those teams tied atop the afc west at 3-

my suspicion is tha there are fs involved in this who are looking to target americans from the start." "cbs news," 60 minutes in particular chose not to include that not on their website, not on their broadcasts. and there is a reason in my judgment used to the president appear on "60 minutes" 10 times, and you see him on all of these other shows and not talk with the white house press corps in a news conference since march of this year. disgusting. connell: what do you think the political fallout will be? judge napolitano said even if we find out they lied, the only recourse is political. there is no legal recourse. the government can lie to the people. so then the only option you have is to not vote for people who live if you don't want to. how much will this affect the election? >> i feel it has already affected the election. in the series of the three debates, i believe the american people have the opportunity to go and buy the liberal national media and see these candidates for who they are and also see something beyond the attack advertising. president obama has half a billion d

great jobs and we have to go and raise revenue tha, is why prop 38 and the governor's proposal is actually critical to our budget and i think that we have to look at ways that we can cut expenses that are not seniors. i don't think that most people know that our correction budget is $9 billion, and contrast that to our c

tha the private sector and the government have in common, they can gussy things up. and they can have commercials and packages. >> neil: and food stamps. >> politicians can look great. ultimately if the company does not have something the public wants, it will go out of business, you can't say the same for politicians. and retreads come up all the time and people get entrenche for some reason their constituents never vote them out even if they're the poorest constituency in the country. even the most illiterate. no matter what, they get in there and shake a few hands and vote them back in. it's nuts. >> eight of ten do, from the house, it's interesting, what do you make of that. but we all, but what most of us grew up watching the democrats were dominant in congress for decades and they've got thrown out and it's happened quite a few times in the last 20 years, and politicians are accountable to the voters and they do get voted out all the time. and these companies, yeah, they're accountable either make money or they don't. >> okay. >> (laughter) >> all righty. we'll go back to the planning board next week. up next, does anyone remember this, remember this, i know t

same times there's no question that governor romney could say well look, we might be headed in the right direction, buthe truth i, thamic growth is extraordinarily anemic when compared to other postwar recoveries. and not the kind of-- not the kind of numbers or economic growth that we need to really, really make progress or to put a dent in the high unemployment rate and get some people back to work. >> brown: hugh johnson, thanks a lot. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: still to come on the newshour: the stakes for microsoft as computing gets more mobile; battleground: ohio; shields and brooks; and novelist louise erdrich. bufirst,he other news of the da here's hari sreenivasan. >> sreenivasan: hurricane sandy tracked toward the east coast of the u.s. today after leaving at least 40 people dead across the caribbean. it battered the bahamas as a category-one storm today, knocking down trees and power lines as it went. and sandy is already stirring up strong winds and pounding surf along the florida coastline. where exactly the storm lands in the u.s. next week is still a question, but preparations for heavy rains and

tha firt debate, governor romney got to present his argument. he got to talk about his economic plan. didn't make sense for these women. >> why aren't the women looking at the issues -- instead of watching the debate -- >> but wait a second. this is not 2008 when there are complaints that it's the same guy running on one ticket. these guys are polar opposites. >> i'm going to say because it's about the economy. for these women, are you are looking at a poverty rate of 16%. for these women, it's about an unemployment rate has increased for them. they are the ones getting the low paying jobs and getting stuck. the whole change in 2008 is not working in 2012. women stood back and said, wait a second. this man is fixing the problem. this is what we need. >> they are paying attention. >> everyone, no one paid attention really to what's going on in the presidential election until about the conventions and labor day and then now. they see these ads and see this and that. people tune that out outside of the beltway. we are kind of -- everyone is forced to pay attention. we are coming down to it. what's going on. when women saw romney unfiltered not through t

look. that's federal spending, ine and a half% up. you have to go back more thars to beat that when federal non-defense spending jumped sharply and back even further to the deaths of the recession and the height of stimulus spending to see a similar gain. that, my friends, is the trajectory. you know what, smoke and mirrors. government spending is not the same thingas company's small and large expanding, growing, selling, generating revenue. private sector revenues come from pople illingly buying products. government spending is financed by compulsive tory lead to the tax system of fines. one definitely is better than the other is a source of economic growth. here is the white house statement about this report. the economy is moving in the right direction. right direction? shame on you, r. krueger. we have yet to open up the throttle on right direction. the growth we have is puny. if you excluded government spending for the quarter growth was the same dismal rate it was in the second quarter. businessinvestment in things like office buildings, pipelines, the big

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now, tha comes as no surprise to you, i'm sure, but should people book way, way out? this lookso on for weeks. >> what they are doing is a typical process when you are faced with terrible weather like hurricane. what they will do is offer acute options, refund or a change in fair. change in the amount of time you can travel. what is tricky is the offer a window to change the ticket, so you have to really call up your carrier, but can change the flight right away so that you are still within the window will you no pay additional fees costs. gerri: be careful how you do it because you cannot do it ablutely anything you want to. let's talk about advi that you give people peak is as you were telling me during the break if this type airline travel for two, three weeks. it can go on for a while. what do you do if you're planning to travel? step number one, two, three. >> number one is go online, check your particular carriers. they will give you explicit instructions on what is happening with the carrier and what the options are. the same goes with your hotel. you want to call tte hot

look ahead. res do warm as we >> okay. sounds good. thank you. we'll be right back. today, u.s. attorneys met ie bay area to warn a group tha >>> investment fraud is rising at an alarming rate. today u.s. attorneys met in the bay area to warn a group that's most vulnerable. cbs 5 consumerwatch reporter julie watts explains why seniors are the target this time. >>> reporter: >> i heard we can make 10% a month if it's too good to be true, it usually is. >> reporter: but jim and shirley peterson ignored their instincts because they implicitly trusted the people urging them to invest in a sure fire deal. >> they were our friends our best friends. and the main thing was, we had an insurance policy by the california bar association. >> and they said the principal was insured, you know. >> so we couldn't lose. >> reporter: or so they thought. >> your best friends can get you into a lot of trouble. >> reporter: the petersons, who once fancied themselves financially savvy, are now sharing their story. >> they showed us their books. >> reporter: because they believe that if it could happen to them, investor fraud could happen to anyo

. >> no, tha you for having me back by the way, neil, and absolutely, this is not the time for anybody to be smiling frankly, if you lookf the average person across the nation, they are doing anything but smiling. and with good reason. you know, they are uncertain, they are frankly scared about what tomorrow will bring. we get taxed on regulation upon mandate, upon lawsuit, they have good reason to be doing anything but smiling. they would like to, but they are terrified. >> maybe you could explain to me between -- for lack of a better word, average americans and their basses. average americans depending on the survey are feeling a tad more confident. not a lot more, but a little bit. their bosses are not feeling that way so much. i always worry about that. because if i'm happy and my boss is not happy, then i'm not too happy. >> yes, that uncertainty continues to ripple out. we have done surveys. our weekly survey in september shows that optimism among small business owners continues to plummet. what we are finding the most is that. or justnot ready to make hiring decisions. and they are looking at ways to scale back.

but they hao more evidence tha hey would have in the absen of debates, and that's the value of debates. >> but lookt the way it plays out. romney will say, "yes, i do have a deficit plan. go look on my website. it's there. it's toue." which puts the burden on the audience. i wish they would go to your website because they won't find out the answer at mitt romney's website. >> but then we come to the second part of the process that protects.e you heard in the debates candidates saying, "that's not true. check the record. check the transcript," and an invitation essentiallto go to the fact checkers ato journalism. to the extent that this year we've had a lot of fact checking in national journalism, arsot more than we've had in previous years. and we know now after the first three debates. last time i talked to you it was, it was only a hypothesis, that the people who said they went to the fact checking sites or went to journalism for fact checking on the web, were more likely to accurately be able to portray the candidates' positions and those exchanges in which somebody was alleging deception. romne

tha >> thank you author brooks and steveorbes. coming up, my take on greed. service would yochoose, based on this chart ? don't rush into it, i'm not looking the fastest answer. obviously verizon. okay, i have a different chart. going that way, does that make a difference ? look at verizon. it's so much more than the other ones. so what if we just changed the format altogether ? isn't that the exact same thing ? it's pretty clear. verizon. more 4g lte coverage than all other networks combined. overmanyiscounts to thine customs! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thsaveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you ha any of those homeowners discounts? heree go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. moreiscounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. >> the recession was brought on by a greedy wall street corporatns. people know they are suffering cause of wall street excess. that is true. john: no. even my colleagues did not get it. the economy has a boo

gerri: what do you make of tha he is attacking, not like he has -- pulled a give o of his backpack. but you know, he is making his point. was he effective? >> i look at not point by point, just at bigger picture, i think he was. there were some points he was the effective on and others i would quibble with but h was effective in preserving his lead, he was very targeted. at first i thought that what is going on, i thought what steve said, they have internal polling shows he is ahead, and he needs to preserve, tt who is he trying to reach, obviously women. gerri: there is one other piece of sound i want to play, the romney apology, quickly. >> reason i call it an apology tour, you welcome to the middle east, flew to egypt, andaudi arabia, and turkey and iraq, by the way they noticed you skipped israel, and you said that america had been dismissive and dericivederisive, you said thata has deccalitied to other nation -- dec taile dictated to othern, mr. president we have not dec dictated to other nations, we have freed. gerri: this is the last one. hurray. we're flat they are done, i can't take any more. >> i am with you. gerri: are you glad. >> i lo

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had better economic numbers last friday, suggesting tha that maybe a recovery is underway, even though the numbers are still bad and even though lookingt gdp growth it looks bad, but that does, does that some how play into this presidential race? if romney was basing his entire campaign on how that economy had been mismanaged and now it seems to be coming up, does it make it more difficult for mitt romney to make the economic argument? >> it does a little bit, you saw when joe biden brought up the secretly taped video of the 47 percent the responseÑi to 47 percent from ryan was, ten percent unemployment in scranton, so it was focus back on unemployment, now, biden then says but you are not paying attention to the numbers, things are getting better, so he wouldn't be able to make that case if the numbers hadn't gotten better recently but to pick up on what mark said, ryan mentioned twice the five-point plan that mitt romney has put forward but i don't think he actually enumerated what is in the five-point plan and joe biden didn't do it at all, it is all he had his fist's in ryan's mouth the whole time but there was nothing coming out