not realizing or at least appreciating thaa lot of the action is taking place on the ground in small communities that are growing where you have diverse interests, diverse ideas, and certainly diversity of race and ethnicity. during my chairmanship, i made it a point to actually go out and try to engage and converse, largely because i recognize exactly what the chairwoman recognizes. the demographics in this country are changing so rapidly in such a degree that if we don't get our act together, in five years, we won't matter. it'll be totally irrevant. >> you're saying the republican party as a white party -- >> as a party. i don't care what color it is at this point. as a party will not matter unless it's prepared to go out and engage people in the communities where you find them, on the issues that are important to them, in a language that they understand and appreciate. and unless you begin that effort seriously, none of this, you knoutreach, which is nothing more than a photo op for a bunch of white folks to stand around saying, i know somebody who doesn't look or sound like me.