thad bingel, to you first, how serious is the border problem right now? can you quantify it? >> sure. in many ways, it's better and worse, judy. it's better in that we have a lot more resources than we had even five and certainly 10 years ago down there. we've seen a reduction in the levels of apprehension and people crossing that border illegally. unfortunately, what we've seen is more organized effort the by the cartels smuggling, the narcotibs, actually contributing to this violence because now they're being confronted for the first time on both the south side of the border with what the calderon administration is doing and on the north side of the border. it's not easy to get across by sneaking across which resulted in under violence which led to some of the incidents we've read about. >> woodruff: rick nelson, would you add anything to that? >> no, i think that's accurate. we made significant progress from where we were in the 90s so i think it's a conflewence of events right now that has brought this to the front. >> woodruff: what is your understanding of what these 12