to duel when the abuse went on, and then we finally have this new exhibit on the civil war from thaddeus cain and when i tell the story of running for senate, i tell the story of how my left hook is better than yours, and i am tougher, so you bring that to life so incredibly powerfully. norm ornstein, and it is often said or at least said by norm mccarthy who is a scholar at princeton who says that we are more polarized today than at any time in the civil war. can you tell us what it is about the political parties right before the civil war that led us to be so polarized then? >> so, you know, going back through history and we will see echos of so many of the divisions that are familiar to people today. if you look at the period leading up to the civil war and looking at the party system that was in flux. we had a whig party that became that was transformed into the modern party, and we had along the way a know nothing party and the ire and the focus was on catholics and on some elements of the northern europeans in part, and we had actually a president-elect on know nothing ticket, and ultim