we have got to move forward on this. >> rose: congressman thaddeus mccotter of michigan, the republican with us, tell me how you think the played with republican members? >> well, charlie, i think we felt like guests at a thanksgiving diner where the family was fighting. as you know, we are a distinct minority in the house, we're a distinct minority in the senate, and yet to be portrayed as the reason the bill wasn't passed before our august recess as the president originally asked is a little bit disingenuous. the fact remains the democrat party has to determine whether they want the public option or not, whether they believe the 0th century model of government, centralization and bureaucracy placed on a 21st censure consumer empowered economy is the only way to fix this and they don't really need our input on this, although we're happy to help if they make that determination. so from our point of view it was really directed largely at blue dogs who, unlike my colleague on the show, have not made the determination that the public option is the only try go. >> rose: so it didn't change