thaddeus stevens the congressman frocongressmanfrom pennsylvanian abolitionist was meeting with president lincoln early in the first term and lincoln happened to ask what do you think about cameroofcameron as the secretarr and stephen sidwell, i don't think he would steal a red-hotnh stone and lincoln loved a good joke and particularly at his expense. he repeated the joke during a cabinet meeting and of course cameron was the gas because the whole thing is that it's totally corrupt so he ran into stevens after the meeting and said why would you say something like that? i didn't add the retraction so a few weeks later he's meeting with the president and before he gets up to leave he says i think the last time we met i said he wouldn't steal a red-hot stove, i take that back. but of course, that is just what makes him like that even more and again, cameron is corrupt so most say everything you need to know he wouldn't steal a red-hot stove or maybe he would but when bu we think of scratching away at the reputation there is a lot of smoke and not a modifier. s the reputation for corruptionor

>> thinking about either sam and chase who is rather dull or thaddeus stevens who is very colorful. >> it will involve some aspect of the american presidency. there were a few we didn't. i will update that and include obama. i don't know how we will deal with number 45. and some other aspect of the presidency, i have a few ideas. >> my next book will be ones i read. [laughter and applause] >> i think you all will agree our intellectual health, body politic and common will have been made healthier as a consequence of this exercise. help me thank these people. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> that was a panel on the lives of us presidents live from the mississippi book festival at the state capital in jackson. in a few minutes we are back with more. back from mississippi history. >> how are you? >> how are you? >> excuse me. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> c-span2 features an in depth conversation with a