sixty-eight. >> 60 a is receive. >> 69 thao body worn camera. i'm sorry 833 and six seconds.fter 70 thao body worn camera. >> no objection. >> 70 is received. >> no objection 71 is receive. >> offer 72 photograph from decaying body worn camera. >> no objection. >> 72 is receive. >> 72 main body worn camera 203822. >> no objection. >> 74 is received. >> 195 from defendant chauvin body worn camera. >> no objection. >> received. >> 196 chauvin body worn camera. >> no objection. >> received. >> offer 197 body worn camera. >> no objection. >> 187 received. >> 237 body worn camera 2017, 45. >> no objection. >> received. >> 238 chauvin body worn camera 2018, 18. >> no objection. >> received. >> 239 thao body worn camera. >> no objection. >> receive. >> 240 kings body worn camera 2019, 27. >> no objection. >> received. >> 241 body worn camera. >> no objection. >> receive. >> shouldn't 242. >> no objections. >> received. >> 243 body one camera. >> no objection. >> received. >> 244 kings body one camera 2026, 55. >> no objection. >> receive. >> the body one camera 202023. >> no objecti

you are aware where officer chauvin and officer thao parked the vehicle. we are aware based on the material that an additional squad car was there from minneapolis park police. where they were parked was essentially across the street from each other. >> yes there were several cars on the street i'm saying i don't know what a reasonable officer and mr. chauvin position would have known about the events that occurred prior to his arrival. nelson: he would no other officers responded. based on the dispatch, squad 830 from minneapolis park police arrived. >> yes. nelson: when he arrived, he could look across the street, see the park police officer engaged with and doing whatever he is doing. >> presumably if he saw that i don't know the officer was doing at the time. nelson: the officer has to be attuned to his or her circumstances. >> yes. nelson: a reasonable police officer has to have situational awareness. >> yes general situational awareness absolutely. nelson: when officer chauvin arrived he parked directly across the street from another squad car and aw

>> right. >> you see officer tou thao? >> yes. >> after the nurse told you that mr. poorly, what did you do? >> i believe i immediately had a conversation with lieutenant madison who was car 9 that night. >> what is lieutenant madison's role? >> as car 9 he's kind of in charge of the city in the evening. what was ythe nature of your conversation with the lieutenant? >> i think i let him know that floyd was doing poorly. i think he was on the phone with internal affairs at the time giving them an update on what was going on. >> exhibit 78 is another image from the body-worn camera depicting lieutenant madison. offering exhibit 78. >> no objection. >> exhibit 78 is received. >> publish exhibit 78. what do you see in this photo? >> myself, some of the hospital staff. >> and it was after you made these observations that you spoke with lieutenant madison? >> yes. did you attempt after your conversation with lieutenant madison to gather more information from the defendant and officer thao? >> i did. i think he requested me to ask them if they used any other force. >> did y

thao say he's talking, referring to mr. floyd, because he was talking. he said i can't breathe and it was even more slow at this point, correct? >> it could have been. >> and this is within the restraint period. the individuals here in terms of the volume you are hearing, you don't hear this person say anything, do you? >> no. >> or her. >> no. >> or her or him? >> no or him. >> the gentle man in the blue shirt with a baseball cap. >> no, didn't hear anything. >> the guy behind the person in the hooded sweatshirt. >> i didn't hear him, no. >> the only person you would have heard say anything is the person in the hooded sweatshirt, correct? and what was he saying? >> something like get off of him, you don't teach that at the academy. >> he said you're cutting off his breathing. he was expressing concern, fair to say? >> yes. >> in this moment, was this crowd threatening? >> no. i want to take you to exhibit 127 and 20:24:18. >> please publish that. he's not resisting arrest or anything. the body language has changed. get off of him. you know this is bogus

>> yes. >> so about 905 and you see officer tou thao. >> yes. after the nurse told you mr.loyd was doing poorly, what did you do? >> i had a conversation with lieutenant, who was on that night. >> what is his role? >> he's in charge of the city in the evening. >> was the nature of your conversation with lieutenant? >> i think i let him know floyd was doing poorly and i think is on the phone internal affairs about time getting an update on what was going on. >> exhibit 78, another image from the body worn camera depicting lieutenant, offer exhibit 78. >> received. >> publish exhibit 78. >> what you see in this photo? >> myself, some of the hospital staff. >> you made these observations, you spoke with lieutenant? >> yes. >> did you attempt then after your conversation with lieutenant to gather more information from the defendant and officer tou thao? >> i did. requested to ask if they use any other force. >> did you have that conversation with the defendant? >> i did. >> do you recall what the defendant told you? >> he said he knelt on floyd were on his neck, something about

just -- i appreciate that. >> officer thao. >> okay. i'm going to lay on the ground. i'm going to lay on the ground. i'm going to lay on the ground. >> going down. i'm going down. i'm going down. i'm not going -- >> right. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe! >> you're talking -- >> oxygen -- >> can't breathe. >> i can't breathe. >> you're going to jail. >> he's under arrest right now for forgery. what's going on -- >> forgery for what? >> let's take him out. >> please, man, i can't breathe. >> come on out. >> thank you. thank you. >> yeah. >> on the ground. >> i appreciate that. i do. >> a reasonable police officer understand the intensity of the struggle. you can see at points when mr. floyd's legs kick back, it almost knocks officer lane over. right. it knocks off the body worn camera and the badge of officer chauvin in this struggle. a reasonable police officer would understand this situation. that mr. floyd was able to overcome the efforts of three police officers while handcuffed. with his legs. and his body strength. a reasonable police officer standard can be

no 330 is officer chauvin and thao. backing up officer keung and lane and peter chang responds at 810, 21 seconds. you hear 320 taking one out that means removing someone from the vehicle at 811, zero two. ultimately called for. all clear at 2012, 21. literally this demonstrates a couple of things. how quickly a situation can change from second to second or minute to minute they went from get there fast. back off. get there faster someone needs help. it's clear. the situation is dynamic and fluid. there provided with information and officer needs assistance. they testified about the sound of the struggle. and if you recall, sergeant steiger says all of this information would be known to a reasonable police officer. and it goes into and factors into the reasonableness of the use of force. ultimately officer chauvin and officer thao arrives at cup foods. i will pause this for one second. sorry. i just have to give you a little piece of information. look at officer chang's video. he arrives first at 116. that is greenwich

schleicher: did you give any direction thao for the defendant? >> i asked them head down to the county medical center also. >> then you proceeded to leave the scene to go to the medical center. >> before you left, did you have further conversation or direction to the defendant? >> i don't think so. schleicher: do you recall speaking with the defendant about the need to potentially interview witnesses? >> yes i did. schleicher: that was captured on the body more and camera? you have had an opportunity to review that footage? >> yes. schleicher: at this time i would asked to publish the exhibit 266. and to 65. there are two different renditions of the same conversation. and you will see the body position in the next you will hear the audio. >> yes sir. [inaudible conversations] >>>> exhibits 265 and 266. >> we publish 266. schleicher: did you recognize your own voice quick. >> it was hard to hear but it sounded like me. schleicher: it says officer chauvin was leaned up against your squad car? >> yes. schleicher: published 265. >> he[i was hostile.

and officers thao asked you to step onto the curb and you did that. and you would agree that when you first arrived on the scene, your personal, talking about you personally, your own personal demeanor was much more calm. >> correct. >> and as you were there between 8:26 and 8:30, so in about those four minutes you would agree that your own demeanor got louder and more frustrated and upset. >> frustrated i'm not sure is the word i would use. >> angry? >> more desperate. >> you called the officers a bitch, right? >> i got upset when he was loaded into the ambulance and there was no point in trying to reason with them anymore because they just killed somebody. >> so, in terms of the time that you were there, you had no idea what those officers were doing on the side of the car, right? >> the officers i couldn't see from my vantage point, is that what you're asking? >> right. you didn't know what they were doing. >> i couldn't see the two junior officers, except for maybe there shoulders up. >> and so, it's fair to say you don't know what they were doing

>> yes. >> so about 905 and you see officer tou thao. >> yes. after the nurse told you mr.loyd was doing poorly, what did you do? >> i had a conversation with lieutenant, who was on that night. >> what is his role? >> he's in charge of the city in the evening. >> was the nature of your conversation with lieutenant? >> i think i let him know floyd was doing poorly and i think is on the phone internal affairs about time getting an update on what was going on. >> exhibit 78, another image from the body worn camera depicting lieutenant, offer exhibit 78. >> received. >> publish exhibit 78. >> what you see in this photo? >> myself, some of the hospital staff. >> you made these observations, you spoke with lieutenant? >> yes. >> did you attempt then after your conversation with lieutenant to gather more information from the defendant and officer tou thao? >> i did. requested to ask if they use any other force. >> did you have that conversation with the defendant? >> i did. >> do you recall what the defendant told you? >> he said he knelt on floyd were on his neck, something about

officer thao is the one in the most trouble.ience that he can't do the i didn't know any better defense, which is what the other two will do. and then more interesting information came out about him during derek chauvin's trial, is he was standing there not letting the crowd intervene, and when the female firefighter said to let me help, and he refused to let the crowd get near mr. floyd, and he also said if you were really a firefighter you would know to stay out of police business, which is essentially, if you were really a firefighter, you would support the thin blue line whether we are right or wrong, and that's damaging testimony, and my guess is he will be convicted. the two others are basically rookies. one of them, it was his third shift and the other had just come off his probationary period, and they are in a position to say chauvin was our training officer and these are our first shifts and we looked to him and that's what we had to do. the problem is that when you actually break it down, lane begins the traffic stop

>> thao i don't know. eldridge: the officer you are not familiar with at that time? >> what about officer chauvin? you knew him? >> i did not know his name at the time. but i knew of him in the squad car and what i said to him. eldridge: when they are on the ground with officer floyd they were getting him into the car. >> yes ma'am. eldridge: you are having a conversation with mr. floyd? >> yes ma'am. eldridge: you continue throughout the process. >> i can't recall right no we also speaking to him? >> i want to say yes. eldridge: anything that you said captured on camera is what you said in the moment over the course of time? >> yes ma'am. eldridge: so what stood out to you what mr. floyd was saying when you saw him on the ground? >> he kept saying i can't breathe. mama. you are killing me. you are killing me. mama can't breathe. they are killing me. my body is shutting down. eldridge: was it your voice somewhere in the middle of all this get up in the car? was that you? >> yes ma'am. eldridge: why were you saying that? what we trying to do at that point? >> i was tr

. >> are you familiar with an individual named tao thao?> yes. >> how did you know him. >> he was also an officer on my shift. >> how long had you known him? >> probably five years. >> do you have a similar relationship with mr. thao as you do the defendant. >> yes. >> and i need to ask you about thomas and commander alexander lanements were you on doubt. >> i was patrolling the streetments when you do patrol work, you use a body camera? >> i do and that's required of all officers including supervisors. >> correct. >> you have different means of communicating with police officers you supervise and dispatch when you're out on patrol? >> yes. >> what do you do. >> radio and cell phone. do you recall approximately 8:30 p.m. receiving a telephone call from a dispatcher? >> yes, i do. >> can you recall what was her name? >> gina jena scurry. >> and what did she say. >> she didn't mean to be a snitch, but there was something concern that she should i should know about it. and at this time i would go to publishing 10. i apologize, exhibit 12. >> t

. >> let me be more specific other than officer thao you spoke directly to do the other three officers talk to you at all? >> not that i remember. >> did they ever say we have an ambulance coming? >> not that i remember. >> did they take the fire department coming? >> now you got the typical response time for the fire department because that is he workforce. >> correct. >> your asked about something you really don't know about in terms of the fire department response in this case. you don't know anything who called the ambulance or fire for this particular case. >> correct. frank: the answers you are giving mr. nelson were for the case. >> correct no further questions. >> thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> [swearing in witness] please take your mask off for testimony. pull up to the microphone to make sure we can hear you and state your full name. >> christopher martin. frank: holding you? >> maintain. >> you don't have to give address but where you live. >> wilmington minnesota. >> taking back to may 25th 2020 have last year where we living at that time? >> at cap foods 38 street

other than officer thao you spoke directly to come into the other three officers talk to you at all? >> not that i remember. >> did any of the officers tell you there is an ambulance coming? >> not that i remember. >> did in the officer to you the fire department is coming? >> no. >> you were asked the typical response time the fire department because that's who you work for. >> correct and something you really don't know about in terms of the fire departments response in this case. you don't know who call the ambulance or fire for this particular case. >> correct the answers you are given were justn for a typical case. >> that's all the questions i have. >> you may step down. >> thank you . >> we call mr. marchand to the stand. [swearing in witness] >> if you are comfortable take your mask off for your testimony. pull up to the microphone so we can hear you. state your full name. >> christopher martin. >> all you? >> 19. nelson: tell the jurors you have to give us your address but generally where you live. >> wilmington. and taking it back i was living above cup foods above the apar

[inaudible conversations] thao buddy camera 1218, zero. [inaudible conversations] 2018, zero. >> please. please. i can't choke. i can't breathe. please. nelson: can you hear what mr. floyd is saying? tuesday were he is located in the squad car? >> is closest to the sidewalk. on the driver side of the vehicle. nelson: do you observed mr. chauvin? >> yes. >> i can't choke. i can't breathe. please. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. nelson: do you observe in that instance does it appear to you mr. chauvin had a tight firm grip around mr. floyd's neck? >> no. very loose and actually the neck was gripping the spinal column area with a considerable gap in the front. nelson: thank you doctor. i have no further questions. >> as a point of clarification you been asked a couple rounds of questions about the drugs found in squad 320. to be clear we are talking about one pill. >> i thought it was one or two. blackwell: one partially dissolved pill. correct? >> i thought it was too. i stand corrected. blackwell: in the back of squad 320

. >> and officer thao, officer kueng and officer lane. >> yes. >> you also reviewed bystander videos, daniela fraser, for example. >> yes. her video and a video taken from across the street by a bystander i think at a speedway gas station. a traffic camera or a pole camera mounted somewhere above, yes. in order videos. >> and the individuals who frequently review the uses of force, are you commonly called on to review body worn camera footage and other footage such as surveillance or bystander video? >> yes. one of my academic publications i specifically did a great deal of both research and teaching on using video footage interpreting, especially in the use of force cases. >> if you could please describe for the jury i guess the depths of body worn camera footage that you were able to view in this case as compared to one in which you might have just a single recording. >> yeah, sure. it's pretty common for the use of force to only involve an officer or two, to involve very limited video. maybe only the video from that particular officer. and the body worn camera or any video footage

can you tell the jury when you first learned of the incident involving the defendant, officers thao, lane, kueng and george floyd? >> on monday evening around 9:00 p.m., back on may 25, 2020, i received a call. i was at my residence. and i received a call from one of my -- i believe it was a deputy chief who had informed me that minneapolis police officers had responded to 38th and chicago. and while attempting to take someone into custody, that which i learned now to be mr. floyd, they believed he would not make it or survive. so he was being transported via ambulance to at that time hennepin county medical center. and while -- at least the information i had that evening at 9:00 p.m., he at that time, i was told, was still alive. i decided to contact the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension. they are a state agency that conducts our critical incidents. i deemed that this would be a critical incident and it has been our protocol to alert them, and they would conduct that investigation. so, i made that call to the bca to have them start to conduct this critical incident. >> did y

and that was taken from exhibit 49, which is the body worn camera of officer thao, is that right? >> yes. >> and it starts at 21:31, if we could publish that, please. >> i can't breathe, man. please. please, let me stand. >> no. >> please, man, i can't breathe. >> can you please explain to the jury what you heard and saw in this clip that is relevant to your analysis. >> yes. there are a couple of things. you hear mr. floyd saying he can't breathe. that will come up as we talk about the foreseeable effects of the use of force. you'll also hear the officers discussing and ultimately concluing that they aren't going to use the hobble restraint. >> did they say why? >> you hear one of the officers say, because something like, if we use the hobble, a sergeant will have to come. >> can you please tell the jury what, generally, how a hobble restraint system works, and what it is for? >> yes, a hobble is used to limit the motion of someone's legs. so if they're kicking or flailing around with the legs, especially someone who is in the backseat of a police car, who may be kicking out the

now, are you aware of whether, per your direction, the defendant and officer thao eventually arrived county medical center? >> yes. >> did you see them in the stabilization room or near the stabilization room? >> i think outside the stabilization room. >> exhibit 77 is a body worn camera photo of the defendant, at this time, the state offers exhibit 77. >> any objection. >> no, your honor. >> 77 is received. >> publish exhibit 77. and you see the defendant present here, is that right? >> yes. >> okay. and also noting the time on the body worn camera, 21:05.7, is that right? >> yes. >> so, about 9:05. >> right. >> and you also see officer thao. >> yes. >> after the nurse told you that mr. floyd was doing poorly, what did you do? >> i believe i maybe had a conversation with lieutenant madison, who was -- that night. >> what's lieutenant -- what is lieutenant madison's role? >> car 90 is kind of in charge of the city in the evening. >> and what was the nature of your conversation with the lieutenant? >> i think i just let her know that floyd was doing poorly and i think he was on the ph

sir. >> officers you were involved time. >> officer david derek chauvin, officer lane and officer thao in the course of well, i guess i should ask this way . did you initiate the critical incident protocol for this incident? >> i did. >> is preventing photographs of each officer? >> yes sir. >> where were those officers at city hall. >> i should ask you using you initially got the call about 9:40 5 pm. you will was you seeingall ? >> approximately 40 later. >> can we put this off before the witness please? i'm going to show you 279. he recognized that photograph? >> yes sir. >> you? >> yes sir. >> is a fair representation of what you saw the? >> yes, sir. >> over 279. >> to publish it your honor? and do you recall approximately when this was taken ? >> after i arrive at city hall? >> through a subsequent investigation that you don't you learn the approximate weight of the defendant around this time period. >> yes sir. >> what wasthat weight ? >> 148. >> and as a police officer since one, 2007, are you familiar with i call it a duty to, the equipment that he's wearing smr. >> yes sir. >

that clip has been taken what's been received as exhibit 49, which is the body-worn camera of officer thao, is that right? >> yes, it is. >> it's from 20:21:31. >> please. please, let me stand. >> no. >> please. i said please. >> can you please explain to the jury what you heard and saw in this clip that's relevant to your analysis? >> yes. so, there are a couple of things. first, of course, you hear mr. floyd saying that he can't breathe. that will come up as we talk about the foreseeable effects of the use of force. you'll also hear the officers discussing and ultimately concludesing that they aren't going to use the hobble restraint. >> did they discuss why they wouldn't use the hobble restraint? >> you hear -- yes, you hear one of the officers say because something -- something like if we use the hobble, a sergeant's going to have to come. >> now, can you please tell the jury what the -- you know, generally how a hobble restraint system works and what it's for. >> yes. a hobble is used to limit the motion of someone's legs. so, if they're kicking or flailing around with the legs, espec

officer thao is also in another interesting information came out about him during jack chauvin's trial that he was standing, they're not letting the crowd intervene, and when that female firefighter, who was so compelling, was saying to him let me help let me help, he not only refused to let her help, he refused to let the crowd get near mr. floyd. but he also said to her, if you are really a firefighter, you would notice stay out of police business. which is essentially, if you are really a firefighter, you would support the the line. you would support us whether we're right or wrong. i think that was very damaging testimony for him, and he is in big trouble, my guess is he will be convicted. the two others, are basically rookies. one of than was his third shift, the other and just come off his probationary period, and they're in a better position to say, derek chauvin was ten or 20 years older depending on which when you are talking about. he was our training officer, these are our first shifts, and we really looked to him and that's what we had to do. the problem is, when you actual

can you tell the jury what you first learned of the incident involving the defendant, officers thao, kueng, lane and george floyd? >> on monday evening around 9 p.m. on may 205th, 2020 i received a call. i was at my residence and i received a call from a deputy chief that had informed me that minneapolis police officers had responded to 38 and chicago and while attempting to take someone into custody that, which i learned now to be mr. floyd, they believed he wouldn't make it or survive so he was being transported by ambulance to the county medical center. and while at least the information i had that evening at 9 p.m. at that time i was told he was still alive, i decided to contact the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension and they are a state agency that conducts our critical incidents. i deemed that this would be a critical incident and it's been our protocol to alert them and theyhe would conduct that investigation so i made that call to have them start to conduct this critical incident. >> did you then proceed to city hall? >> i shoulded also say that rigt after that call i

in the video we just watched at one point when you were talkingg with officer thao and asked like -- sounded like you asked him still read. is that what you said? what did that mean? >> his body camera was still on you go through the city wrecruits. >> you already know who you're working for. >> [inaudible] from the minneapolis park police prior to the academy you also have authority to assist the calls outside of the parks. in terms of the average shift, let's say how often do you do this or assist on the city police call. >> not often. but you know if you assigned to help a city call you're not going to get in trouble from your supervisor. >> no. because that is all part of you have the same radio traffic, you're able to hear the same radio traffic as the city police officers and inhe fact i think u heard we refer to them as your partners, correct? so when you're there you look to them as your partners and you would assume they feel the same way about you with this particular call you heard a request>> for backup and because you heard some noises in the background you decided initi

ultimately, officer and officer thao arrive at cup foods. —— officer chauvin.his for one second here, sorry. when we look at, ijust have to give you a little piece of information. when we look at officer chang's video, officer chang arrives first, you see the time is 11633 z, zulu, that is greenwich mean time, subtract five from one a:m., back 2am. —— back to officer chauvin and officer lane pull up. 8:16am. "go over there". 0k, pull up. 8:16am. "go over there". ok, just stay put, i don't want 0k, just stay put, i don't want anybody— 0k, just stay put, i don't want anybody near the scar. —— near this can _ anybody near the scar. -- near this car. ., ., ., ., , car. information gathering in terms of this assessment _ car. information gathering in terms of this assessment and _ car. information gathering in terms i of this assessment and reassessment of, again, the decision—making process of a police officer, right? "don't come over here where i am" officer chang says. "go over there, they need your help." because at that point at that precise moment, they don't

can you tell the jury when you first learned of the incident involving the defendant, officers thao, lane, kueng and george floyd? >> on monday evening around 9 p.m. back on may 25th, 2020 i received a call. i was at my residence, and i received a call from one of my -- i think it was a deputy chief that informed me that minneapolis police officers have responded to 38th and chicago and while attempting to take someone into custody that-- which i learned now to be mr. floyd, they believed that he would not make it or survive so he was being transported via ambulance to hennepin county medical center and while at least the information i had that evening at 9:00 p.m., at that time at least i was told was still alive, i decided to contact the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension-- >> c-span2 live this morning for the trial of minneapolis police officer derek chauvin who is on trial for the death of george floyd, and you're watching c-span2. >> note your appearances. >> [inaudible] >> if an attorney is present and going to the podium you

floyd and officer thao. >> yes and that perspective of ms. fraser's phone. nelson: chief, are you aware of the term of perspective camera bias? >> again take that down we will show the same timeframe 1019 the same perspective from the body camera 1019. >> received. nelson: do you agreed to be the same timeframe? >> yes. >> lastly, chief i will show you unless video. exhibit 1020. side-by-side of the two. >> permission to publish. nelson: start over. you would agree, chief, from the perspective of ms. fraser's camera, it appears that officer chauvin knee is on the neck of mr. floyd. >> yes. nelson: sorry. i did not want to do that. nelson: would you agree from the perspective of officer keung body camera itch appears officer chauvin knee was on his shoulder blade? >> yes. nelson: i have no further questions. >> thank you your honor chief you just testified at that particular moment in time you were viewing former officer keung body worn camera it appears at that moment in time the need of the defendant was more toward the shoulder blade. is that right? that's

ultimately officer chauvin and thao arrive at cub foods. cub foods. when we look at, we have to give you a piece of information. when we lookat officer chang's video , mister chang arrives first. we see it the time is1:16:30 3c . that's greenwich mean time. track five from 1 am. so officers chauvin and officer lane pull up. 8:16. go over there. >> just stay put, i don't want anybody near his car. >> information gathering in terms of this assessment and reassessment of again, decision-making process of a police officer. don't come over here where i, officer chang says, go over there . they need your help because what that point, at that precise moment they don't know what's happening over at the squad car. they don't know that officers keung and lane struggled with mister floyd getting him out of the car. that they stood him up, and walked over. haven't seen any of this information and there's no evidence to suggest that they have so that doesn't factor into the information. again,reasonable police officer . what do they know they don't know. but they'

floyd, and officer tou thao? >> yes. >> it shows the perspective of his frazier's phone? [background noises] chief, are you familiar with the concept of camera perspective bias? >> i am not. >> now again if i may take that on, steve relation me show the same timeframe, exhibit 1019, the same perspective from mr. king's body cameras. i often 1019. >> objection tonight seen. 1019 is received. [background noises] it appears to be the same timeframe? >> yes. >> last, chief, i'm going to show one last video. we can take this down. exhibit 1020, a side-by-side of the two. >> any objection? >> no objection. >> 1020 is received. >> permission to publish? pardon? [background noises] just started over. [background noises] you would agree, chief, that from the perspective of ms. frazier's camera it appears officer chauvin snee was on the neck of mr. floyd? >> yes. [background noises] >> sorry, i didn't mean to do that. [background noises] would you agree from the perspective of officer kings body camera it appears officer chauvin snee was more on mr. floyd shoulder blade? >> yes. >>

we see officer thao arrive? >> yes. >> i would ask to begin publishing to the jury. >> i am not trying to win. i am not trying to win. [ inaudible ] >> i'm claustrophobic. work with me. >> i am going to pull you out -- >> can i get in the front? >> no, out of the car. >> oh, my god! >> you can take that down. to distinguish between the standard or comment on the standard of objectively reasonable force. is it your opinion then to a degree of professional certainty that the force that you identified as applied by the defendant during the restraint period was it objectively reasonable or not objectively reasonable? >> it was not objectively reasonable. >> and does that then the basis for saying it was excessive? >> correct. >> you were asked about different techniques for deescalation and the telling of someone to relax. i would like you to kmebt on the way that mr. floyd was told to relax by the defendant. >> it appeared he was told to relax as he was stating that he was in a medical distress. he couldn't breathe

in the video we just watched, at one point when you were talking with officer thao, it sounded to me like you asked him still red? is that what you said? >> yes. >> his body camera was still on. >> you asked if he had his on because you had yours on still? >> yes. >> officer chang, when you were working for the park police, you go through the academy with city police recruits, correct? >> yes. >> at that point when you are going through the academy, do you know if you are going to end up in the park police or city police? >> when you first start the academy you already know who you are working for, yes. >> as far as you know, those recruits, you could be working with them someday in the future? >> on the street? i mean we patrol the same area, yes. >> but when you start you could be a city officer just like them. >> no. initially when you receive an offer from an employer, from the minneapolis police prior to starting the academy. >> i got it. so when you are in the academy you know you are going to be park police and the others may be city police. >> yes. >> but when you get out the

i think we're going to see motions being made by these lawyers and probably thao, too. he was the former officer standing in front of the bystanders. his position i expect to be that he didn't actually put hands on george floyd. he wasn't involved in putting him in the prone position and he wasn't seen in any of that video actually kneeling on george floyd's body. we should expect those lawyers to engage in legal filings to try to distinguish their clients from the ones that were involved in putting mr. floyd in that prone position and kneeling on his body. >> areva, thank you very much. >>> at almost the exact moment millions of people were feeling relief as the judge read the chauvin verdict, another american city was struck with another tragedy. the death of a black teenage girl killed by police. this deadly shooting yesterday happened in columbus, ohio. according to police, officers were called to the scene of a fight and someone trying to stab people. shots were fired and what appears to be mere moments after police arrived. body camera video has been released. it

at this point in time we see officer thao and who is next to him, the defendant, arrive, right? >> yeah, you can see the shoulder in that circle. >> i would ask that we publish that to the jury. >> i'm not trying to win. i'm not trying to win. i will get -- he know it. >> i'm claustrophobic. yes, i'm claustrophobic. >> i am going to pull -- >> can i get in the front? >> no, you are not getting in the front. >> okay, i'm not a bad guy, man. i'm not a bad guy! oh, man. >> you know -- you can take that down. sir, in assessing an individual in the totality of the circumstances that would have been apparent at the scene, were you able to detect any indication that mr. floyd was under some sort of distress? >> based on his comments and based on his actions, yes, it was a possibility. >> is that something that would have apparently officer chauvin, the defendant, would have seen that, is that correct? >> yes. >> would a reasonable officer have taken that into account? >> yes. >> sir, you testified that the -- that the force that was used during the restraint period by the defendant was

and if you look at the tou thao -- totality of the circumstances which we have heard so much about, what does that tell you? if we are talking about reasonable officers. you have heard in a number of other things that in looking at the totality of circumstances and trying to build an honest assessment, you did not get the whole story either. you got bits and pieces and i call the story, ladies and gentlemen, because either it is complete the not true or the facts have been altered in order to make a point which also makes it a story. what you are going to reach when you deliver it -- deliberate is a verdict. verdict from his bash is from the latin word for truth. fact from the stand. you just heard a number of them. i will give you a few examples. you are just talk to about how safe the prone position is. and you have heard this in the trial. the prone position is safe. here are the canadian studies. after everything you have heard, you already know that not a single one of those studies ever examined anybody who had a knee on the neck. you know that. you also know that about these so-ca

>> i saw, i think his name is officer thao. >> where did you see him? >> he was in front of the crowd, kind of telling people to stand back. >> and do you remember about how many people were in the crowd? >> probably about several. >> and when they were -- well, what did you see the officer on mr. floyd, what was the relation of their two bodies? what was happening there? >> george was motionless, limp, and chauvin seemed very -- he was in a resting state, meaning like he just rested his knee on his neck. >> and what did you do when you saw that? >> i pulled my phone out first and i called my mom to tell her not to come downstairs and then i started recording. >> and did you make a recording? >> correct. >> did you keep that recording? >> no. >> why not? >> later on that night i deleted it because when they picked george up off of the ground, the ambulance went straight on 38th instead of straight on chicago and talked to the easiest way to get to chicago, so that to me made it like clear that he was no longer with us. >> so you thought he'd died. >> co

>> officer derek chauvin, officer alexander king, officer layne and officer thao. >> in the course of -- well, i guess i should ask it this way. did you initiate the critical incident protocols for this incident? >> yes. >> is part of that taking photographs of each officer? >> yes, sir. >> were those officers there at city hall that evening? >> yes, sir. >> i should ask you, i guess, you said you initially got the call at 9:45 p.m. >> correct. >> do you recall what time it was that you arrived at city hall? >> approximately 30 to 40 minutes later. >> could we put this up just for the witness? i want to show you exhibit 279. do you recognize that photograph? >> yes, sir. >> did you, in fact, take that photograph? >> yes, sir. >> is this a true and accurate representation of what you saw when you took that photograph that evening? >> yes, sir. >> i offer exhibit 279. >> 279 is received. >> i ask to publish it, your honor. do you recall approximately when this was taken? >> shortly after i arrived at city hall. >> and through subsequent investigations you had done, did you learn the app

where -- >> and the materials, of course. >> you are aware over whether officer chauvin and officer thaoht? >> yes. >> and you were aware based on the materials an additional squad car was there police. >> yes. >> and that officer, where they were parked was essentially across the street from each other at the point that officer chauvin arrived, agreed? >> yes, there were several cars on that street. i'm saying i'm not sure what a reasonable officer and officer chauvin's position would have known about the events that occurred on the scene prior to his arrival. >> he would know other officers also responded, correct? >> yes. >> based on the dispatch, we know that squad 830 from the minneapolis park police arrived. >> yes. >> when he arrived, he would be able to look across the street, see that park police officer engaged in whatever he's doing, presumably. >> presumably, yes, if he looked across the street and saw that, i don't know what the officer was doing at the time or what -- >> an officer has to be attuned to his or her circumstances and surroundings, agreed? >> yes. >> a reasonab