when margaret thatcher had her 80th birthday party in 2005, she had become frail and her mind had been impaired by strokes as the queen approached the former prime minister extended her hand and the queen held it as margaret thatcher could see. but what was surprising is the clean continue to hold her hand and a planned tender we guided her through the crowd of 650 guests which was a remarkable sight for the british to see the queens of physically demonstrative compassionate when the terrorists killed the lord, the queen's cousin and phillips favorite uncle a law with several other members of the family timothy had been severely injured in the attack. when he arrived late one evening with his sister, the queen was there to greet them and they serve the soup and sandwiches and took them to their rooms and even started to unpack them until they were pretty upon to go to bed. he told me that the queen had been caring and sensitive and intuitive and that she had managed to get him talking about his travel experience in a way that nobody else had been able to do. british actors got rave rev

margaret thatcher was consistent.e was who she was on the record, and she was who she was off the record. >> that's my point. we saw it behind the scenes. we saw the oz, the curtains being parted. so now say, okay, at the end of the day, this is what people saw, seize the moment. >> but romney is no thatcher. >> listen, i mean, look at how many serial gaffes then add up to the portrait of a character. because we know people don't listen to arguments. they listen to sound bites. they listen to an accumulated portrait of a candidate that keep keeps emerging in different ways. what we've seen a stumble at the convention. >> hold on, donny. >> we've seen a stumble convention. we have seen something i thought revealed not just a gaffe but character. he left out the troops out of his speech at the convention. as usual. republicans make hay with the troops, use the flag, you know, celebrate the flag and then they actually forget about the troops. >> that was -- >> that was a very bad gaffe. it may have been stuart, but he re

margaret thatcher, shop keeper's daughter would have never said that in a million years. >> never.ou know this is like 4-1, i should be allowed to speak for each one of these people here. >> wait, wait -- >> you don't like the margaret thatcher fan or a ronald reagan fan? >> let me make a point. >> i'm for a small government conservative. >> on this set you appear to be one of the four. >> i'm also with "the wall street journal" editorial page. i'm with every conservative i'm with rush, i'm with you name the conservative, you have my concern. so please don't characterize me as being one of these four. >> i love them all. >> first of all you know to characterize the personal life of mitt romney as dee dee has, is to show that she does not know the man. she does 23409 know what he has done. because this is a man who has spent a life in serving others, that is the basis of what he believes and he has done it. number two, number two, we have, we have, we are in perilous times in this country. we are looking at financial ruin. we are looking at dependency. we're a nation of people depen

dennis: margaret thatcher needed people dealing to cut back.k at the trouble mitt romney got in for the 47% comments he made. are the american people ready? it sounds like they are not if they are ready to reelect president obama. >> they are just yearning for margaret thatcher type clarity and conviction. they are worried, of course. i totally agree with the fed man in philadelphia. the huge spending is just going into deposits, bank deposits of individuals and businesses. they have no confidence. it is not showing inflation. once they get length against by the banks, that is when the massive inflation will take off. dennis: last question, quick answer. you cannot cut taxes, you have to cut spending first. why can't you cut both at the same time we met oh, i think you can. cutting taxes would at least be something and giving people confidence. it has to be evenhanded. i would move myself towards steve forbes flat tax. this is what i call representation. the taxation with representation and set up representation without taxation. dennis: thank

margaret thatcher it is there is no alternative. of course that's absurd. there was an alternative. we have to connect the dots to understand what is going on today. i read the chronicle. so what i've done is put together a montage of the murder of public sector, which is going on everyday. in fact all of the public sector is in body shape. public libraries, parks from the municipal to the national level. our character is among the worst in the world. the new deal deals with things in a different way. when i was going to school, california school's were the best. now they are among the worst with the new budget cuts. of course, my university is being privatized. all of the higher education is being privatized. all through the uc system. how do you run a modern state with tax cuts? we resort to desperate, back last november, we were asked to vote to make four indian casinos in san diego county pony up money. i thought this was a joke. they voted to do it. now, the governor proposes to borrow against future revenues. how did they deal with these social problems when the economic probl

. >>> how is this for a shopping spree, seven suits worn by british prime minister margaret thatcher fetched a total of $115,000 at a charity auction in london. the top price was $30 grand for a green wool outfit thatcher wore on the day she was confirmed as conservative party leader. >>> and britain's prince harry made his first public appearance last night since the scandal last month involving nude photos in las vegas. harry attended an award ceremony for children with life threatening illness. one intended to tell a cheeky joke instead ended up playing with his penguin. back to al for a check of the weather. >> always a good idea to play it safe. folks from slidell, a beautiful baby there. what's her name? >> sophia. >> who is this. >> elana. >> this is elana's big sister. >> olivia. >> olivia and elana. sweet 16, happy birthday. >> thank you. >> let's check it out, see what we've got today. more rain. this is actually remnants of isaac working its way combining with a cold front, heavy showers and thunderstorms from michigan and wisconsin all the way to the northeast and new eng

one, margaret thatcher in 1975.argaret thatcher had more of a chance of becoming conservative leader in great britain in 1975 and eventually becoming prime minister than i would have moving to berkeley and being named the president of the free speech society. i'm dead serious. you went to britain in '79, '80, '81. you were over there then. nobody expected margaret thatcher to be elected prime minister in 1979. and the only way she did it was by being brash, bold, radical and getting in people's faces and saying, this empire is collapsing. and the only way we change course and save it is by undertaking a radical course change. and she did it. if she had been tepid like mitt romney is, she would have been crushed by labor. >> and nobody had any doubt what she stood for. >> no doubt. >> what her policies were, what her whole personality was going to be, what she was going to do if and when which she did become prime minister. >> and by the way, end of the story, what did she do for great britain? >> she turn it had aro

. >> they came up with this phrase which they got from margaret thatcher, thatcher's phrase when she ran in britain was labor isn't working. their phrase here is obama isn't working. not only does it quite not make sense on a personal level, it's not enough to wane the campaign, and what they've done is that they've -- as jim said, they brought in the guy with the ideas and the specificity and told him to shut up. >> yeah. >> i predict eventually that paul ryan is going to chafe -- >> i think republicans in the end are going to turn and say, wait a minute, i really had a problem with obama. now i meet this guy. i may have to stick with obama. i think -- wherever you go, that's where you're going to be. i'm not sure everybody wants to be with romney. we'll see. to try to prevent the right wing herd from being spooked, the romney campaign released a memo saying don't get too worked up about the latest polling. while some voters will feel a bit of a sugar high from the conventions, the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly. the reality of the obama economy will reass

you don't like the margaret thatcher fan or ronald reagan fan?here. >> don't put me as a four to one. i'm not. i'm a small government conservative. >> on this set, you appear to be one of the four. >> i'm also with the "wall street journal" editorial page and i'm also with every conservative. i'm with rush. i'm with -- you name the conservative, they have my concern, bay. please don't characterize me as being one of these four. go ahead, bay. >> we're not that bad. >> what's wrong with us? >> i love them all. but i'm not one of them. >> to characterize the personal life of mitt romney as dee dee has is to show that she does not know the man. she does not know what he has done. >> i know what he's done. >> this is a man who has spent a life in serving others. that is the basis of what he believes, and he has given. >> i'm not questioning that, bay. i'm not saying that. >> yes, you are. >> no, i'm not. >> number two, we are in perilous times in this country. we are looking at financial ruin. we are looking at dndsy. we're a nation of people depende

and simpson thatcher. [applause] everybody here has contributed and these have made a special contribution which we want to honor separately. i also want to thank tracy jennison of kirkland and ellis for doing whatever she needed to do to get the fine wine donated by duckhorn wine company and shea lure. you should have bottled of that on your table right now. we're also grateful to mark richardson and merrill corporation who contributed the printing of our luncheon program and menu, and i want to personally thank our friends at the recorder and "the daily journal" for their pro bono support in leading us up to today. i also want to thank the committee that worked on this and the honorary committee, all those people contributed to is. and now the only reason you really want to hear about from me is that i'm the guy that gets to give away presents. for the first time this year, we have compliments of our former chair, ken gurnsey, a silicon valley jawbone jam box. i don't know what it is. but i've been told

i started talking about margaret thatcher. it was wonderful. and i sent off an e-mail that night to my parents, i had drinks with fidel, of course, there was sure, you did. and the photographs followed. that's not going happen begin. -- again. it was a chance to debate essential stereotypes about female power with a known dictator. wow. yeah, that was an unusual day. >> when you teach about margaret thatcher, how do you approach her? >> well, having seen meryl streep in the "iron lady" i love her, that was an amazing film. one of the things margaret thatcher is known for is not being so much an afish nad dough of feminist legislation. she's a good example of a woman who had to be more or less accepted as quote, an honor rare man in order to be taken series on a man's stage. that is jumping point for students to talk about what degree have we made everyone male and say now we have a quality, and we have constantly moved women in ever more opportunity once available for men, sports, law, military, government, not the priesthood, okay. we don't se

margaret thatcher made an impact on world politics and, would you believe, the world of fashion?proof of that in london today as seven suits worn by the former british prime minister sold at auction. one of them sold for more than $39,000-- more than ten times the expected price. the actor michael clarke duncan was hard to miss. his big size and booming voice ndrned him roles on the big screen including that of a gifted convict in "the green mile." he earned an oscar nomination for that role in 2000. duncan suffered a heart attack in july and died in los angeles today. he was 54. a family of steel workers wonders if it will be the last generation to work at the mill. that's next. that's next. ove they give you predictable overnight relief to help get you feeling like yourself again in the morning. dulcolax laxative tablets. keep you moving. ♪ feeling free. ♪ and every day since, two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cle

happening we prefer not to love because it was so popular domestically with president reagan with mrs thatcher it was going down well now we're in the era where kicking gadhafi sides were kicking president assad's. it is a popular sport in the west and good domestically so we don't look who are these groups in syria who were the groups in libya what really owe their objective or their objectives truly to bring about as some in the west imagine a simply a more liberal society a more democratic and easy breathing society of course not just as twenty five thirty years ago people didn't want to hear it was unpopular to say anything so it's been extremely unpopular here so are you saying that the west miscalculated chose the wrong alliances perhaps i think that they miscalculate totally what was happening they chose they created america and for themselves it was a constructive narrative that really all of the initial awakening which was popular and had real popular impulse in it was somehow a vindication of european values of american values and they misread this totally it was not it was in fact w

>> in the words with margaret thatcher with socialism you run out of other people's money. the workers. it was making sense in 1951 there were 16 workers for every retiree. >> what you say it is flawed in the execution for their recipient ratio. >> you don't say it is the idea but the functioning. >> how do restore prosperity? to destroy the economy and culture to inflate the way out? we lied. it is upon the scheme. then you can opt out. john: they say it changes people's attitudes to save them for themselves. >> that somebody else takes care of retirement benefits and health benefits. instead of proving the money we spend like crazy. the chinese had saved world-class record. john: day know better that they have to take care of themselves if it most people don't believe they have to to -- were card because the government will save them. >> u.s day they don't save enough. >> it does not matter by. >> u.s say they don't do it because of social security. it is not logical. >> they don't save because they don't have money. >> they have not invested the money you gave your money

. >> yes, god bless margaret thatcher. >> remember the song, god bless you maggie thatcher, they werer. stuart: we'll give awe extra 30 seconds if you go through that one. [laughter] . >> some ear plugs. charles: a soft shoe. >> i want to see the black robes and a wig. got to see it. right now, our taxpayer money is use today buy wheelchair accessible vans even though those vans were made for army overseas. we'll look at these vans, they are made in america, so will the obama administration change its policy? we've got the story for you. it's next. and waiting in line. i don't have to leave my desk and get up and go to the post office anymore. [ male announcer ] with stamps.com, you can print real u.s. postage for all your letters and packages. it gives you the exact amount of postage you need the instant you need it. can you print only stamps? no. first class. priority mail. certified. international. and the mailman picks it up. i don't leave the shop anymore. [ male announcer ] get a 4-week trial plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to stamps.com/tv and neve

[laughter] megyn: your former leader, margaret thatcher. >> a wonderful woman. megyn: a lot of people have been looking back at ronald reagan seeing how he got us out of our economic troubles in the 1980s and looking at margaret that mucher and what she did to rein in government spending as opposed to taxing people to blif onand try to get people all of the dole. we have a clip from her in 1983. watch this. >> the state has no source of money other than the money people earn themselves. if this state wishes to spend more, it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more, and it's no good thinking that someone else will pay. that someone else is you. there is no such thing as public money, there is only taxpayers' money. [applause] >> the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money. she inherited an entitlement mentality when she became prime minister in 1979. she turned it around, she grew the economy and created prosperity and reversed the entitlement victim mentality. megyn: uh-huh. but there is that thin

the spouse of a woman running we describe him as a denis thatcher quiet in the background not the making in the gaffes to the press. we have not seen that yet. >> the role has not been defined. they don't know the role. >> hillary clinton and elizabeth dole their staffers are prominent politicos. they want to get in there. >> very interesting. we talk at the outset about nine different women. i actually one to three view to develop time to have a direct relationship. one of them is the most prominent. each of you took the lead. so if they would start then the other two could jump 10. >> when they know with like to mention about elizabeth dole is her prepared this. i like a speaker who is prepared and she is known to prepare extremely well. i interviewed her twice and bob dole he was a little bit funny. i said tell me senator how you prepare for your speeches. i give them once. that is why i am not in the good. but in contrast elisabeth i can hear her voice coming out of the kitchen she is practicing her speech for tomorrow. she will practice it one more time. i have seen her. she is enga

thatcher coming and the show tonight. why is there such a huge price stamp?case of hospitals are in their way around. this was street journal story expose a phenomenon that is becoming more and more common across the country where individual, independent physician practices are being bought up by larger hospital groups. and those hospital groups are throwing their weight around in the market, pressuring insurance companies to pay more for the same exact procedures that doctors offices were providing for less. gerri: let's take a look at some of that and difference allocation. i'm going to start with the full screen that talks about specific -- specific things like the diagnostic colonoscopy. there are 118 percent difference in cost. electrocardiogram, 85%. it goes on and on. it is interesting. the cost is so different. are the procedures to forget all? >> in many cases the procedures are exactly the same. in fact, in many cases they're the same procedure performed by the same position or technician in the same facility. what we see here is simply a difference

though half the country may not be paying for it in terms of their income tax, eventually, as maggie thatcherd you run out of other people's money. we're close to running out of other people's money. so it will hit the fan no matter what happens, whether half the country feels it or not. >> well, absolutely and we see the debt ceiling will have to be increased in december or january the fact of the matter is a lot of people don't trust the government to spend their money. so they look for ways whether income tax or other taxes. this is rational behavior by people when they see a $16 trillion debt and ridiculous projects being funded, they say wait a second. if there is a way i don't have to pay taxes and spend my money i am going to find that way. david: curtis, the top 10% of earners in this country pay 71% of all the income tax. that's simply not sustainable, and we've gotten as much out of them as we can get. how in lord's name are we going to eventually pay for all this? >> well, we have to get spending down, there is no doubt about it. spending is growing rapidly for last couple years an

prime minister thatcher used to say first you win the argument then you win the vote.. >> right. >> interesting. >> yes we do. >> speaker gingrich, mr. professor, thank you very much. >> we're looking forward to seeing calista on tuesday. dee dee myers stay with us. coming up more poll numbers from swing states. david gregory and chuck todd will be here to break them down and also eugene robinson joins the conversation. i don't want healthy skin for a day. i want healthy skin for life. [ female announcer ] don't just moisturize, improve the health of your skin with aveeno daily moisturizing lotion. the natural oatmeal formula goes beyond 24-hour moisture. it's clinically proven to improve your skin's health in one day, with significant improvement in 2 weeks. for healthy, beautiful skin that lasts. i found a moisturizer for life. [ female announcer ] aveeno daily moisturizing lotion. also discover daily moisturizing body wash. for healthy skin that starts in the shower. only from aveeno. ♪ >> all right. 29 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we're live in was

if you listen to what margaret thatcher said when she took control of the conservative party in '75, what ronald reagan said his entire life, they believe the conservative message helped the 100%. they believed that's how you got people out of the unemployment lines, how you got the working poor back to work with better jobs. and mitt romney just sounded so negative talking about the 47%, writing it off. forget the faux pas. i'm more concerned, as is daniel h heninger in "the wall street journal" this morning, i'm concerned about romney the man. what does he think? is he a conservative? is he an optimist? i have no idea. but steve, you actually -- you brought in charts this morning on exactly who makes up that now infamous 47%. and as you and i both know, there are a lot of heros on that list, a lot of veterans, a lot of men and women fighting in afghanistan. and i'm not saying this to ding romney. i'm just saying to say it was an ignorant thing for him to say, and he's got to admit that because you look at some of those 47%s that he was going after, and they are big-time republican

would the shopkeeper's daughter, thatcher, no.nceding what, you know, what's we in the beltway say, this town's hopelessly divided, the country is hopelessly divided, if you want to be leader of the american people, you're supposed to breakthrough that. >> all right. now listen, mika, we are going to do something we don't usually do. >> what these? >> i don't like advising campaigns, just not what i do. >> i know. i know. >> i have found mitt romney's new campaign manager and going to go even give him the judas kiss. >> coming up on "morning joe." >> oh, there he is. >> he is like cher. it is regis, and it is next. >> hi, regis. >> hi, everybody. >> come say hi to mommy. >> i'm here. >> how are you? >> that's why i'm here. >> look that the guy. >> my favorites. >> regis is up next. >> i don't think it should be our lead. >> that's the a copout. >> easy. >> i'm done with the paris hilton story. >> okay. okay. i am. fine. >> why are you such a journalist? >> because my paris hilton -- >> what a statement. that is a statement. >> bye

thatcher loathed him. he was a big left winger, he called her mrs.orture, he hated her, and in the end she stood by his right to publish that novel. this guy sends a sheriff's posse at made night to drag some guy into custody for some alleged probation violation. >> does this have an impact on the election? last question. >> it should. basic lesson in my book is when money drains, power drains. when you broke you lose control over your destiny and your future and that's the connection between the multi-trillion dollars debt and the burning embassies we are seeing. >> we love reading your stuff and still for a time we have some freedoms left. >> that's right. and use them while you can! >> i'll be right behind you when we get thrown out. god forbid. so was the the attack preplanned? why is the government trying to tell you it is spontaneous? [ male announcer ] if you believe the mayan calendar, on december 21st polar shifts will reverse the earth's gravitational pull and hurtle us all into space. which would render retirement planning unnecessy. but s

as margaret thatcher once said about socialism, there comes a point when you run out of other people's money. and we have. the sad truth is that today millions of americans are not willing to do what it takes to support themselves. they want the government to provide. they feel it is owed to them. yes, times are tough. yes, it's not easy to get a good job. even the face of a severe recession, most of us are working hard. many are succeed o'clock. but far too many are not trying hard enough. that's a memo. the top story tonight, after president obama was caught on tape saying he supports income redistribution, what we're talking about, that's taking money from the successful and giving it to the less successful, an nbc news correspondent said this. >> we have not authenticated this 14-year-old tape. when barak obama was a state senator. so because we have not independently at nbc news and msnbc authenticated it, we're not airing it. >> that situation were reverse add short time later and they did run the tape. joining us from boston, democratic strategist mary ann marsh and from los ang