when margaret thatcher died last year they sent nobody.n what universe does margaret thatcher, one of the greatest leaders merit nobody and michael brown merits 3 white house officials. >> the president says a delegation to ferguson yet he sent not one justice department official to investigate the murder of margaret thatcher. (applause) at the very least he could have sent angela landsbury. with boiling on both sides people are beginning to call for the unthinkable. a rational discussion. >> we do have an opportunity here to talk about incidents of rage. >> we still need to have a discussion on race in america. >> it is important we have open dialogue about the realities of issues like this. >> i think we should continue this conversation long after the michael brown case is done. >> in is again another time to have an open discussion about race in society. >> well, if there has to be a frank and honest national discussion about race in america, i guess i'm already talking. i'll go for it folks, our nation has a long shameful legacy of o

it hasn't enacted kind of reforms you've seen in england and wales with post thatcher. scotland coming out of the united kingdom, it's going to be very, very difficult for the government to try and provide the level of services that they are at the moment, without english subsidies. so the economic -- as pat says, and i think the consensus is saying, it is of the heart, but it is not of the head. >> 200 scotch-irish americans met last week in a family reunion in rhode island. i sent them my greetings and let me also say that it was a blast. >>> exit question, what will happen next week? will scotland choose independence or will it remain part of the united kingdom? pat buchanan? >> the heart says yes, the head says no. >> quickly. >> they may, but i, i think they will stick together. >> quickly? >> part of the uk. >> part of the uk. they will not leave. >> they will not leave. >>> issue three, immigration stall. >> one year ago this month, senators of both parties, with support from the business community, labor, law enforcement, faith communities, came together to pass

director of the thatcher center for freedom, nice to see you now. >> nice to see you, greta. >> before i ask you about the prime minister's speech and comparing to president obama's. i'm curious, this whole idea of a lone wolf, that includes the u.k. i mean, there is a lone wolf out there, and i don't know if we are warning people or being alarmists. but if there is one out there, england has to worry. >> yeah, i don't think it's -- i think there are plenty of lone wolfs in britain as well. threat. in britain 2,000 individuals who have links to al qaeda operating in the united kingdom at this time. at least 500 britains have gone over to iraq and syria to fight with isis. there is a huge domestic terror threat that britain is facing. it's also a threat that the united states faces as well. >> let me ask you about prime minister going to speak, cammeron. and you heard president bush's speech today. compare and contrast. what do you expect to hear differently from the prime minister? >> well, i hope it's going to be a tougher speech than the one president obama gave today which i thought

the thatcher for my generation was a key figure and i'm very interested in that relationship style, not just that she was a woman but she had a nonconformist methodist background. she had a lot of religious -- which you use. she was almost like a preacher in terms of her style. >> host: she was a big inspiration to you. >> guest: of core she was. she was inspirational. she became prime minister when i was four years old and i remember the day she left. i was probably 15 and a half so that was a very long time where she was this dominant figure in british politics. a whole decade where she was prime minister and i liked her style of politics. i liked traditional politics. i like the fact that she stuck to her goals and she said it. three months before the election she said i'm not a consensus politician. if you can imagine someone saying that three months before the election. i'm not a consensus politician. if you want compromise and all that stuff, look for someone else. ..

a sense of autonomy that began to erode under prime margaret thatcher, who's shakeup chipped away atits, and destroyed thousands of skilled middle income jobs thatcher's policies gutted support for the conservative party in scotland and left a legacy of distrust that would fuel scot land to take control of its own affairs. in '2010 the coalition government under david cameron announced the biggest state spending cut since world war ii, including reductions to social security benefits and the elimination of hundreds of thousands of government jobs. by 2011, the oecd determined that income inequality among working-age persons had risen faster in the united kingdom than any other developed country since the mid-1970s. >> the austerity and social programs revealed how great the divide had gotten to be. >> reporter: national services have been hotly debated in the run up to the referendum with the yes and no camps both claiming to be superior guardians of scotland's social safety net. but whichever way scots vote, creating a equal society is likely to remain a hot button issue. >>> so the

area bank was margaret thatcher fighting with the leader of the london council.ey want a certain amount of self-determination, so i think that the issue will take on some interesting dimensions as we move forward. i think that thesnp will be telling us about them. i would like to get questions in the back, because people have been waiting seriously. please identify themselves -- yourselves. >> what is the impact on it businesses like pensions and nk if the scottish people vote yes, and what is the impact on the economy considering that many scottish people are dependent on the u.k. for social welfare, social security, and other benefits? >> thank you. hi, i am with public radio in barcelona. my question is, do you think that people should have the right to decide their own fate? as a general matter, we had 2 million people demonstrated in bart -- barcelona yesterday, but as you know the spanish government does not allow the catalan vote to go ahead. as a general matter, do you think that any people should have the right to determine their own fate? >> there's a q

of the thatcher center for freedom.e to he see you. tell me what about syria? >> thank you. very good question, greta. as you mentioned, the house of commons today voted overwhelm ily in favor of british military action in iraq. the vote did not focus itself on syria because i think the prime minister david cammeron was concerned that he might not win a vote on military action over the syrian issue. however, he held out the possibility of britain joining military action against isis targets in syria. and he did explain that he thought that syria was an important front in the war against isis. britain wasn't yet about to get involved in syria. but he did certainly hold out britain would join in action against syria as well. >> my thought is. this i don't pretend to be a military expert. we don't need a lot of help from iraq in the sky because we have that we really need help in syria. the u.k. really needs to do something about the fact that it's a breeding ground for so many of these terrorists. it seems to meet bigger

area bank was margaret thatcher fighting with the leader of the london council.ey want a certain amount of self-determination, so i think that the issue will take on some interesting dimensions as we move forward. i think that thesnp will be telling us about them. i would like to get questions in the back, because people have been waiting seriously. please identify themselves -- yourselves. >> what is the impact on it businesses like pensions and nk if the scottish people vote yes, and what is the impact on the economy considering that many scottish people are dependent on the u.k. for social welfare, social security, and other benefits? >> thank you. hi, i am with public radio in barcelona. my question is, do you think that people should have the right to decide their own fate? as a general matter, we had 2 million people demonstrated in bart -- barcelona yesterday, but as you know the spanish government does not allow the catalan vote to go ahead. as a general matter, do you think that any people should have the right to determine their own fate? >> there's a q

that wasn't always the case but margaret thatcher and what her conservative economics did to scotland, scotland broadly speaking hates the tories. this is the delegation that they send to the british parliament in london right now. in london the conservatives have an overall majority but if you were just looking at the scotland delegation, would you never know that. only one is in the conservative party. 40 are in the labor party, one is a conservative, the other 18 are from the scottish nationalist party or their independence or a smaller party called the liberal democrats. scotland hates the torys. but in 2010 the tories won, the conservative party took power in the uk. they only barely made it. they squeaked into the majority just by getting into coalition with one of the smaller parties, but they did win. they did beat labor and they took office. that's how we got david cameron from the conservative party as the british prime minister as of 2010. scotland hated that. scotland hated that because they hate the conservative party. in the following year when scotland held its own elec

when margaret thatcher spoke at the last summit hosted here in the 1990 the internet was in its infancy. now we see cyber warfare while contending with the fall out from rogue and failed states. >> reporter: because of the range of challenges facing western leaders there are calls for n.a.t.o. nations to increase their defense spending. currently just four out of the 28 members reaches the n.a.t.o. benchmark, which is some 2% of their gross domestic product allocated to military spending. there will be wide-ranging discussions, one senior official told me that the situation in ukraine alone makes this the most important n.a.t.o. you summit since the end of the cold war. and the plan with regard to that situation in ukraine as i said is to send a message to president putin, well, a message has been sent on the eve of this summit news coming in in the last hour. that france is canceling what was a controversial plan to supply helicopter assault chips, very big ships that can transport helicopters, troops and tanks. stubbornly the french has said, which was upsetting other members of n.a.t

when margaret thatcher spoke to the last n.a.t.o. summit, the internet was in its infancy. now there's the birth of cyber warfare, while contending with a fallout from rogue and failed states. there'll be wide-ranging discussions, a senior official telling me the situation in ukraine alone makes this the most important n.a.t.o. summit since the end of the cold war. >> so many challengers for n.a.t.o. leaders, western leaders meeting here to discuss in the coming hours. and one of the other items on the discussion - upped discussion, i think, will be how n.a.t.o. can deal with this, and how n.a.t.o. can pay for this, the u.s. pushing other n.a.t.o. partners to increase defense budgets. there's a bench mark as to how much nations are to allocate to defense spending. it's supposed to be 2% of gross domestic product. currently under that bench mark, only 4 of the 28 n.a.t.o. members reached that right now. >> thank you very much, james. now to paul brennan, as promised, our man live in donetsk in eastern ukraine. i was quoting to james what sergey lavrov said, he said "we hope

thatcher nature for freedom. how do you compare and contrast the statements between british prime minister cram ron and miami? >> there's a -- cameron and president obama? >> there's a huge contrast. david cameron has demonstrated real leadership. in contrast, barack obama has been extremely weak-kneed, clueless at times, really terribly indecisive. and i think the british prime minister has demonstrateded scn clear-cut measures against isis and jihadist, moving from britain, europe, and the united states, as well. but david cameron comes across as a self-assured leader who understands the very nature of the threat being faced by the west. he's identified the poisonous ideology of militant islam and says we have to defeat it and crush it. in contrast with barack obama, he openly says he has no strategy, and i think there is a president who really could learn a great deal from the way in which the british prime minister david cameron is addressing the issue. >> it wasn't your national executed by isis, it was ours

we saw is through the we saw is through the thatcher years and the thatcher years and the major years, where polling major years, where polling suggested labor would do better suggested labor would do better than it did. than it did. >> in the u.s. we see that >> in the u.s. we see that sometimes the sometimes the liberal, the left liberal, the left vote doesn't always show up. vote doesn't always show up. we haven't seen a breakdown, but we haven't seen a breakdown, but i wonder if that's possible. i wonder if that's possible. >> there's an idea. >> there's an idea. the yes campaign was reliant on the yes campaign was reliant on the young vote. the young vote. 18-29, 16 or 17-year-olds were 18-29, 16 or 17-year-olds were on the ballot. on the ballot. >> there's an idea that a poll, >> there's an idea that a poll, 75" of young people voted. 75" of young people voted. and and campaign. campaign. >> a lot are disappointed at >> a lot are disappointed at salmond's resignation. salmond's resignation. does it come as a suppress and does it come as a suppress and take a little power out of

cross my lips i don't have a racist bone in my body when people like ronald reagan and margaret thatcher were advancing their hatred of the soviet union they would have been quick to point out that they had no hatred for the russian people the soviet union was a political construct apartheid south africa was a political construct design a system apartheid state of israel is a political construct it's nothing to do with hating people still less hating religion. do you think that the israeli government is the only responsible side for the recent violence that we've seen what about hamas did they bear responsibility for the violence well the palestinian resistance has for almost seventy years being trying to restore their country to them up it was wiped off the map and the palestinian people scattered to the four corners of the earth no nobody would accept that you wouldn't accept my country wouldn't accept it if foreigners come and steal your country and wipe off the map and take your house and drive you out you're going to struggle to return and it is their lead go and moral right of the

. >> talk about that reagan and thatcher area and the household budget to put things in a simple manner. they thought perhaps from the balanced budget but now we have a system with currency that is not tethered. >> and it doesn't begin to comprehend. so how do a kickback to something people can understand? >> from all sides of the political spectrum we have to balance the budget at some point. in my country the argument is not if we balance the budget but how quickly we get to with. endless deficits are sustainable and there is more of a consensus than people realize but how you balance the budget and what time frame is the political discussion for a title minutes and all of that is important but certainly if we will get back to stability of the next 20 years of balanced budget approaches something people are beginning to focus on even though metric surveys suggest otherwise which they have in dallas debates. but the reserve is suggesting we run deficits from now to kingdom come. >> host: but like paul ryan or anybody? >> they should. with the reviews it is important as it tries to brin

. -- margaret thatcher. they are not commenting on discussing thee issue.ee what the options might be. >> i bring up margaret thatcher because of the famous photograph of her with one of the ba models . let's stay at heathrow. unknown. not a baggage handler strike. how they can affect -- how big an effect? >> this one should not be too bad. disruption at this point. they are handling this. there are 8000 baggage handlers at heathrow. 8 companies run baggage and handle that. one company is a small percentage of their stock, it 2 ands terminals 1, 3. emirates, new zeland. it never hurts to get to the airport early. kari, thank you very much. our irrigation -- our aviation reporter. the eu puts new economic sanctions on russia. ♪ >> welcome back. a second european country this week has complained it is getting less gas than expected. says supply was down around 15%. is this the beginning of another gas war? ryan chilcote conducted an interview with ukraine's gas boss, who said scheduled talks with russia are in doubt and the country should forego russian gas t

margaret thatcher had really broken up some of the checks and balances in the way the uk, a political grammar of the way the uk work. all these things are played out over the last couple decades to give scotland a much stronger sense of identity. even though that's not what officially on the platform it's very much one of the driving forces behind the way we've got to this stage. we have globalization and individualism create an apartment where people will have more tribal identities. to go to wedding in scotland these days, all the men of my father's generation in the '60s and '70s overinvested. album in 50 years under are wearing kilts. that's something that's -- a way to explain the shift that is happening. so identity is not on the manifesto but the ski-doo understand what's going on. as i quickly respond to the hugo, all i would say is personally i couldn't hope you are right, thing about england opinion trying to make the case. i would say you perhaps have been leaving it a little bit late. spent i don't think he means you though personally. [laughter] >> jeremy, do you have any

. >> you need margaret thatcher when she persuaded bush about the incursion to kuwait by saddam husseinthat is the strength of leadership. but the skeptism about his role. and we know now that the ground campaign for a fact, is what will be decisive in defeating and destroying isis. >> the president is basically trying to navigate a middle way and attacking isis from the air with the united states air force and training and boltering iraqis and kurds and keep his disheartened democratic base two months out from an important election appeased. >> i said before american forces will not have a combat mission. we will not get dragged in another ground war in iraq. >> given that iraqi forces have cowered in the face of isis forces in the the past, so much remains in doubt. >> the president is confident that the new government that is inclusive will give the iraqi fighting forces back bone to stand up to isis forces that is so important for the strategy to work. >> we have a specific time frame for the campaign and one that u.s. is leading from the air? >> reporter: we'll get a clearer pictur

and the ira once said when they tryed to kill margaret thatcher.ucky once and you have to be lucky every day. the secret service was lucky he didn't have a weapon and the intruder was lucky he jumped over the fence that exact time. it was a poroutcome fori]w both >> but the secret service officer did not shoot because he could tell he was not armed. how could he tell he didn't have a gun. >> in law enforcement. only thing that shoots is foots and hands. you can see their hands they don't have a weapon. how do we know he didn't have one in his waist band. but the secret service are not endowed with powers. it is a law enforcement officer like anyone else. it doesn't mean he can takedown a subject because he thought he they are subject to the same rules and regulations and we saw with the incident with the car and engaged with the shooting. the car was engaged in trying to hurt someone. >> representativecn chavez told the fox producer that secret service should shoot all white house jumpers. you jump the fence you get shot and that sends a message. s

the older generation, my father and my grandfather, that kind of generation, and they remember the thatcher era, the poll tax, steal mill and it basically destroyed a community and cost a lot of jobs. you have two ends of the spectrum. you you have the young who are optimistic and the old who are reare resentment about it. like i said, these passions. >> let me ask you this, you have a pub. how heated does the conversation get? have you had any bar fights about this? >> no, no, ours is a pre pre-dominantly yes pub, and they know that i'm a no voter. they blasted the pub with stickers and it's all in fun. it's a serious vote but the scots are a friendly nation as well. it's easy to have a laugh about it. i do believe that i think once this vote is over, i think it will be the split, though. i think there will be for a while, i don't think it will be a case of we vote yes and now every is happy. or no, and we go back to work. i think it's-- >> there were a lot of people saying look, he'd' rather not maybe this choice, but now that i have to i want to think about it. as a small business owner

i mean, who would a man rather dance with, claudia shiver or margaret thatcher. >> what about inner beauty>> what about it? >> it makes a person a beautiful person. >> yeah, yeah, wake me up when it's over. it's nonsense. >> there's a book that says beautiful women get more, earn more, have more success. >> it's power. >> it's not fair. >> it's not fair but it is, and i think the thing that really isn't fair is that we are bringing our children up saying this is not so. it is so and deal with it and look good. >> i have to say if i may be honest, i am on very uncomfortable ground here because i'm asking a lady of a certain age about what she might have had done. >> well, i came out and talked about it because so many of our actresses would sit there and say, i've done nothing, and that is a lie. they're talking about the parpts of their hair pulled so far up. so i came out and said do what you want to do to feel better about yourself. i've had two face lifts in my life and i'm thrilled i had the money to have them done. >> they've worked very well. >> you can't see. i did nip tuck which is

notwithstanding the reagan/thatcher assault on government regulation.notwithstanding the rise of neo-liberalism, we should remember that the social safety net did not erode, did not erode in the 1980s. indeed, elsewhere i've shown that social spending was crucial to the ability of the west to absorb the shock of the 1970s. the social market, not the free market, so to speak, won the cold war. third, we should acknowledge the efficacy of super national institutions and european economic integration did. the berlin wall came down because of franco-german . the berlin wall came down because of franco-german reconciliation and because of the success of the european union coal and steel community and common market and because of the hopes inspired by the prospective european union. the berlin wall came down because of the resilience of western economies and because of the appeal of the culture of mass consumption. and i think it's very important to emphasize that u.s. power were essential back drops for the success of western european economic integration. f

we saw is through the thatcher years and the major years, where polling suggested labor would do better than it did. >> in the u.s. we see that sometimes the liberal, the left vote doesn't always show up. we haven't seen a breakdown, but i wonder if that's possible. >> there's an idea. the yes campaign was reliant on the young vote. 18-29, 16 or 17-year-olds were on the ballot. >> there's an idea that a poll, 75" of young people voted. and campaign. >> a lot are disappointed at salmond's resignation. does it come as a suppress and take a little power out of the future of the movement? >> i think it does. it's surprising in an assistance that he has been around for so long. he led the scottish national party twice now, 10 years each. he's the one that lead the movement. getting it on the agenda, getting david cameron to put it up for referendum. people feel what is going to happen next. there's a suggestion that his deputy sturgeon will win in november. there's continuity, but people are concerned they have lost their talisman. >> will there be a shift in the left when it comes to the po

you have my father and grandfather, remembering the thatcher years, poll tax, closing of ravens craig and steel mill and mother well that destroyed a community and cost a lot of jobs. you have the younger, and the older resentful about it. it's difficult to find where people sit because of the passions. >> let me ask you this. you have a pub. how heated does the conversation get. are there bar fights about it. >> no, ours is a yes pub and many know i was a no voter, and a few ended up on my car on hub caps, it's god fun. scots are friendly, it's easy to have a laugh about it. i do believe it will leave a flit. i don't think it will be a case of yes, we have independence and everyone is happy, or no, we doesn't. i think there'll be a bit of - this was a wasted opportunity, or, you know, i think it will - i didn't ask for the referendum, if you understand. >> you saw the story referring to that. there was a lot of people saying i would rather not make the joys, now that i have to i'll thing about it. i want to ask you as a business owner, what concerns you about the vote one way or the

thatcher. the part i will never forget, lou, when the president's remains were taken back to california, i think they landed and they took a long motorcade here to simi valley to the burial place. that is where america came out onto the street. i talked to nancy reagan about it and she described to me what she saw. the little cub scout troops. the old women holding up flags. she said there was a fellow who put his war jacket on and he did not fit him anymore but he would not break his salute. thousands and thousands of people came. i think if you watched you realize there was something going on here with regard to the standing of ronald reagan and that we are only coming to notice in the days after he died. lou, where were you? >> i was privileged to be active the event here where he was buried. and it was interesting, i had a long-standing contract with abc news to do commentary. and i had been doing it in with a few days before. there was an invitation sent that was sent to "washington post"

when margaret thatcher spoke at the last n.a.t.o. summit held here the internet was in its infancy.now it's seeing cyber warfare while contending with the fallout from rogue and failed states. >> reporter: because of the range of challenges facing western leaders there are calls for n.a.t.o. nations to increase their defense spending. just four out of 28 members reaches the n.a.t.o. benchmark which is 2% of their gross domestic product allocated to military spending. there will be wide-ranging discussions. one senior officials told me the situation in ukraine alone makes this the most important n.a.t.o. summit since the end of the cold war. >> and many, many topics to be discussed at that summit. but i guess a lot of focus is going to be on how the country is participating, how they intend to tackle the islamic state group. >> absolutely. that is an issue of major concern. it's not one that i think they're going to ask as n.a.t.o. as a whole. so it's not one that's going to be dealt with much on the formal agenda of the summit, but when they get to the big dinner that they have in j

ronald reagan, margaret thatcher, roosevelt and churchhill, with the world facing daunting new challenges what is nato's role? joined by lieutenant colonel bill cowan retired from the marine corps. he is a fox news military analyst. let's start with the op-ed that president obama and prime minister cameron penned together in the london newspaper. they sugge there is no weakness, no, lack of resolve, when it comes to isis. pretty good to read those words, bill? >> it is great to read it, jon. almost wish we had seen a similar op-ed out of our own president here in the united states a couple months ago in fact. i'm sure if isis takes a look at that op-ed, they may or may not, they will kind of chuckle and laugh. because they're not feeling real heat of united states, virtually any heat from the u.k. and certainly none from nato. words are worth something but actions are worth a lot more. jon: also interesting they don't really talk about syria in that piece. >> great, jon. i noticed that. that was one of the things that i wanted to say to you. they talk again about this all inclusive govern

typically every president, you can actually name one, reagan, thatcher, clinton, blair, george w. bush with koizumi or aznar or even blair later on. obama seems to be alone and aloof. that's the narrative in everyone saying this is the way he's decided to handle his presidency. >> clooney anz jds uniphasy. >> right now at the nato meeting it would be maybe the president behind closed doors is a master ceremonies bringing everybody together and they will come out with a strong strategy. >> in fairness to him, nobody else is doing anything. he is doing something. >> the reason that people used to do things with us is because we led, as leader of the free world, they came along and said we're with the united states. >> who else should be doing it? >> you tell me. >> how many beheaded saudis have we seen? how many beheaded russians have we seen or brits have we seen so far? >> we saw a brit do both of them. >>the beheadings were done by a brit, right? >> we've got to be heading out. >>> ahead on "the five" former president jimmy carter speaks out on terror calling on muslims to turn t

maggie thatcher did it to george bush, winston churchill and fda worked together.way, cameron has set a standard that obama is now trying to match. as you showed here, there are a lot of democrats who are looking at his disapproval number on foreign policy, which is now very high, at 58%. they're worrying about the 2014 and 2016, not being associated with that. frankly, this video of the two americans being beheaded is so dramatic, so so visceral, that it cries out -- i mean, it strikes the emotions of the public. and cries out for more emotional, or tough -- what the public perceives as a tougher response from the president. >> the president is talking to the british prime minister there. they released this op-ed in the london "times." what about the effort to get the coalition. do you think it's actually coming together? >> i think we'll know in the next couple of days. but what matters about a coalition is what the coalition does. to come up with a strategy, that you can then implement that will have an effect on the ground. i think the biggest challenge for the

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you quote margaret thatcher when it comes to life itself, expect the unexpected. why did you include that and how do you apply that to you personally? sunny -- >> guest: i included it because as secretary of state to expect the unexpectedded. nobody expected the arab spring until i was responsible us, and we have to learn to be agile and ready for the unexpected. while we try to build the world we want, especially for our christian and now for my future grandchild, but we have to be aware holiday the fact that all these other countries, all these billions of people, they're making hard choices every single day. we have to be ready for that because i am absolutely convinced that we have to continue to lead the world into the kind of future that we want. we can't sit on the sidelines weapon can't retreat. we're going to have setbacks, have disappointments, but over time, our story has become the dominant story. it represents the hopes and as separations of people everywhere. that is what i want americans to understand. and the main reason why i wrote this book, i kn

one of the great battles was margaret thatcher fighting with the leader of the london council. and for a certain amount of self-determination. i think this issue will take on interesting dimensions as we move forward. i'm sure the ft will be telling us about them. i would like to get some questions at the back. there have been a lot of people waving furiously. so we'll take some questions at the back. >> my name is con tessa from "the new york times" and "london times." what is the impact on business, like banks, if these people vote yes? and what is the impact on the economy, considering many scottish people are dependent on uk for social welfare, social security and other benefits? >> thank you. >> my name is solivana from barcelona. my question is, do you think that people should have the right to decide their own fate? as a general matter, we had 2 million people demonstrating in barcelona yesterday. but as you all know, the spanish government does not allow the vote for the referendum like the situation in scotland. as a general matter, do you think that any people should

this was the moment when they declared victory and there was no alternative, as margaret thatcher used to say. the problem we have is that the essence of a collective problem. we can only solve it with real regulation, making polluters pay, telling them they cannot did this out of the ground. we need to come together collectively to respond to this crisis and invest in the public sphere. it hits us at the precise moment when all of these things become nonstarters. you can't regulate, embrace economics.re i make the argument we cannot solve this crisis without a profound ideological shift. >> we're going to take a break and come back to this discussion. naomi klein is with us for the hour. her latest book is, "this changes everything: capitalism vs. the climate." stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> if your listing on the radio, check it out at democracynow.org . this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. >> when democracy now! was at the 2011 u.n., change conference in durban, amy spoke with marc morano, publisher of the climate

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what i found fascinating was the new dennis thatcher role of bill clinton.hat's above my pay grade. that thing he does. he was waiting for hillary clinton to make a statement so he'd be in sync with her. >> i think she was -- look, she was burned by this issue once before. she voted one way, obama who didn't have to make a vote said he was opposed to the war. >> on iraq. >> on iraq, so she doesn't want to make that mistake again. now she's in the position of not having to actually make a decision but to support or not support it. bringing it up, if we had done what i suggested who knows if it would be different. it looks presidential and gracious. >> who brought it up that they disagreed before? the questioner? >> i think so. i think so. >> it was, that's all right. >> the thing is it's a very legitimate concerns about arming people we don't really know who's on what side. >> we still don't know if we have somebody to arm. >> go for it. >> she's damned if she does and if she doesn't in the fact that we're all obsessed does she des like obama, does she approv

the commitment was that we would dish mean, when margaret thatcher sat down with the president of china, these undertakings were given in good faith and belief that they would be complied with. and what my committee is doing is actually looking at whether or not those undertakings have been -- are being complied with, and if they're not, my job is to say to the british government, what are you doing about it? and what are you doing about the commitments that have been given? but when you ask the question, well, what is the commitment, i mean, the british government is in a fairly weak position here. they have no levers to pull if china doesn't fulfill its undertakings. >> so do you believe that china's reforms on the election of the chief executive are actually flouting the agreement that china made with the uk? >> well, i know lots of people are arguing that. the whole point of my inquiry is actually to see whether or not we agree with them. so if i was to answer your question with a straight yes or no, that would be to prejudge the outcome of the inquiry. and i think it's quite import

they're rejecting conservatives, as they have actually since the days of margaret thatcher.t's been a big driving force for the scots. the danger of this for the whole of british politics and european politics is splitting apart united kingdom. it would encourage english nationalist, and we're going to see that, whatever the result tomorrow, in british time for david cameron. that kind of nationalism will split apart the european union. this administration with president obama have strongly supported the european union. they see that as part of stability in europe, a stronger trading partner and certainly stronger for nato and security at a time, of course, when russia is posing threats and you got new threats coming out of the middle east. so a breakup of the united kingdom, a potential breakup of the european union, very trouble for people looking for stability at least in europe and in a very unstable world. >> and you mentioned cameron, he went to scotland, many people said he was a little late to taking this seriously. take a listen to him here on september 10. >> i thi