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you know decapitating the administration. sn't seem like they fundamentally, the white house fundamentally erred in any of these situations. >> i think they think any bit of transparency will be met with a scourge, hue and cry from the right. so better not to get involved. >> it's happening. >> we're going to continue to hear about this until i think november of 2014. >> i think that it's characteristic of president obama and his team, frank used the word narrative. they're much better, they were obviously much better at the narrative of campaigning, than they have been at creating narratives ever governing. and they've been very reactive and they tend to rely on things like saying there's hypocrisy here. and there is let's face it. the republicans are monumentally hypocritical about leaks, about manipulating the irs. >> about national security. >> and they have the gall and the chutzpah to talk about talking points when the most famous talking points of all time are george w. bush's talking points. >> and colin powell's talki

administration, the bush administration faced in their second terms. that being said this is also an issue that is coming about in a different time period where the media ecology, there is a scandal industrial complex out there. while these are much smaller and nowhere near the magnitude you are in an atmosphere where it is harder to deal with the issues. one thing that does bear stressing, there are other scandals more or less involve the direct conduct or the president or the direct actions of senior white house aides. that is not the case in any of these particular issues. >> as the investigations continue we are recognizing there is a large firewall around president obama and his administration from what has happened with benghazi to the irs to the ap. as we watch today the outgoing irs chief on capitol hill facing really tough questions from both sides. i want to play congressman charlie rangel on the record earlier. >> people are losing confidence in our government and i hope that you feel the same sense to find out what caused this, how it could

>> actually, there is a culture of intimidation throughout the administration. the irs is just the most recent example. let me recount a few for your audience. over at hhs in the obama care debate, the secretary sent out a directive saying they couldn't say what the policy would be. now they're trying to convince the public they should love obama care. at the fcc efforts by obama appointees to shut down or make difficult people who are seeking to buy advertising to criticize the administration. over at the sec the obama appointees have been engaged in an effort to make it difficult for corporations to exercise their first amendment political rights. the irs coming back to the irs, the head of the union at the irs gives 99% of her campaign money to democrats. she openly criticizes the republican house for trying to reduce government spending and has specifically targeted tea party groups in her public comments. it's no wonder that the agents in the irs sort of get the message the president demonizes his opponent, the head of their union -- >> senator, that's a lea

who else in the administration knew? and why was congress misinformed for so long? with us this morning, the president's senior adviser, dan pfeiffer, the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell of kentucky, and the man leading a congressional investigation into the irs, chairman of the house ways and means committee, dave camp. and later the political fallout from benghazi and the justice department seizure of phone records from the associated press. plus former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld returns to "meet the press." this time he's out of office and weighing in on the big issues in "rumsfeld's rooms: leadership lessons in politic, war and life." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >>> good sunday morning. tough week for president obama. one columnist wondering if the president like president clinton before him could actually emerge stronger from all of this, while others see the swirl of the controversies making it harder for the president to succee

>> the administration has that option. so the "washington post" on friday made the point that the ap had the story on may 7 and of course, john brennan was out talking about it on may 8. so it would appear that they were investigating the ap for doing what they themselves were doing, which is leak. so they wanted the exclusive to themselves, and they were willing to violate the law or bend the rules at least to investigative reporters. >> there is a process here, involves a notice period to the media in question. i've talked to multiple people at the ap and their lawyer. they were not notified about this as the law requires. had they been and had the obama administration been deft, they might have worked this out. they violated the provision requiring the notice. >> it's also pretty clear that the white house, well -- the ap was going to blow the cover on this story that the white house was getting ready to announce and that may be the source of all this. >> that's exactly right. to follow up on what jim was saying, there w

>> i think there are a lot of things that the administration has not yet accounted for. i think part of his was covered up. except for the united states congress, this administration would lead you to believe that there was someideo gone awry and that a protest happened and that's what caused this attack. that never happened. we've demonstrated it. we introduced a memo that we just recently found that was issued on the day after the attack from the state department to senior state department personnel saying it was ansar al sharia with islamic ties, they were the ones that were responsible for that. in fact, we told the libyan ambassador that! so i think the administration has covered up a lot of these fact and why we're continuing to probe. >> rose: but they changed their own acknowledgment of what happened after the events and after the testimony by secretary rice. do you believe they continue to cover up? >> well, four and a half months after the attack secretary clinton came before the united states congress and testified in both the house and the senate and she said

in the meantime the administration continues onward. er to what degree it's been to actually have, hey, begin the conversation, and also is it hold those in leadership accountable. i will read an excerpt from an interview with jonathan mclandry. and they -- he says -- i can tell you that people who normally would meet with me are on pins and needles, landy says, of the reporting climate. he says the crackdown on leaks seems deliberately intended to have a chilling effect. there is that word "chilling" again, but we are talking about the obama administration and someone who came into office with promises of a more transparent administration. >> we are talking about a constitutional lawyer who came in -- who did in the senate and still does support a shield law to protect reporters from prosecution when they received classified information, and yet i think the president has been hemmed in on the one side by republicans looking for any excuse to paint any democrat soft on the war on terror, and the urgencies of what information that i will

the mainstream media. this has been an administration following on the prior administration that has done everything in its power to intimidate the free flow -- those who are involved in the free flow of information in our democracy and that is a huge and continuing scandal. >> right. the fact that the focus is on these obama scandals, takes the focus away from these actual like ongoing problems. what you want, you want mainstream media to cover the fact that the obama administration is remarkably hostile to whistle blowers and other folks who leak information from the government. lumping it in is just another scandal, i think really takes away from -- >> it does. >> -- an ongoing problem. >> it seems like it's everything else. >> it will fadeaway. when benghazi leaves the front page, when the irs scandal becomes i think recognized correctly as an agency scandal people will forget about the ap stuff and a year from now we'll hear about a whistle blower that's toss into jail. >> the media plays into this too. media's own self-hatred. on one level there is something unseemly to even to me as a member of the

the administration knows how to do this. it is not insurmountable. >> can i say that we sent our justice reporter, ryan riley down to guantanamo twice in the last few months and i spoke with him this afternoon. he said the conditions there are just awful. they've closed every common facility. people are isolated, people are dying or close to dying. we need to remember that as we watch a game of political hot potato here that both the administration and the congress are complicit in. i think the person i spoke to at the national security office this afternoon was frank in saying that they hadn't done enough, that the administration had not done enough to push the envelope on the waivers. they admit that. they had to admit that once the president said he was going to look at administrative measures again. well, what are they? they got to do that. >> and it is absolutely not enough at this point to just look at these cases again. there isn't time for that, as howard was saying. there is a crisis at guantanamo right now. the admi

>> there is no question the administration. people in the administration knew. 're always trying to point it back to did the president know? we're not going to know on that. there is not going to be some e-mail that says, mr. president, here is how we're targeting tea party groups. they're more careful than that. back channels in the, who the administration and others o'clock probably so. this kind of explosive thing that occurred once the i.g. reports starts to go, someone is going to let everyone know. hey, this is now being investigated and yes, there are some, as the president would say, there is some there there in this situation. >> kelly: and meantime, sarah hall ingram, who once ran the irs tax exempt office, which is accused in this matter of singling out conservative groups is now in charge, as you know, sir, of the irs handling the implementation of obamacare. she is responsible for making sure that working people buy health insurance or provide it with government subsidies if they can afford it. do you think she should be the one in that leadership po

but it is the president's administration. so i wonder doesn't responsibility for setting tone and setting direction ultimately rest with the president on these matters? >> well, the responsibility to set tone and to focus on the priorities of the american people is absolutely the responsibility of the president, and you see and hear him do that every day. as he fulfills his duties as president. i think you have to separate these issues, and i think if you look at the answers the president gave yesterday in response to questions on the one hand about the clear political circus that benghazi has become and his response to questions about the reports of activity by the irs, i think you see something different. he made clear that if the reports about the activity of irs personnel proved to be true, he would find them outrageous and he would expect that appropriate action be taken and that people be held responsible. he has no tolerance for targeting of specific groups, conservative groups if the reporting is true on this. and he w

where the top people in the administration, the justice department, the i.r.s., the cia, the state department, are all in credibility gaps. i think the american people are looking at this, and they're saying cynicism? really? i mean, c'mon, we've got to have transparency and integrity, especially in these very sensitive areas like justice department, cia, and most certainly i.r.s. so i don't think it's a political theater, except that if there is going to be a cover-up or a delay or kind of shuffling off, as i'm hearing from jay carney, i think they're not taking it seriously, and i think the american people are. >> senator hutchison, thank you very much. good to see you again, ma'am. >> thank you. >>> john and eamon action thank you as well. >>> ty, the federal government wants the states to get tougher on drunk driving. phil lebeau has the story. >> sue, this would be a recommendation from the national transportation safety board, a recommendation that board would then make to states and up to the states to actually change the blood alco

but it is the president's administration. so i wonder, doesn't responsibility for setting tone and setting direction ultimately rest with the president on these matters? >> well, the responsibility to set tone and to focus on the priorities of the american people is absolutely the responsibility of the president. and you see and hear him do that every day. as he fulfills his duties as president. you know i think you have to separate these issues and i think if you look at the answers the president gave yesterday, in response to questions on the one hand about the clear political circus that benghazi has become, and his response to questions about the reports of activity by the irs, i think you see something different. he made clear that if the reports about the activity of irs personnel proved to be true, he would find them outrageous. and he would expect that appropriate action would be taken. and that people be held responsible. he has no tolerance for targeting of specific groups, conservative groups, if the reporting is tr

he says the administration is playing a coordinated role. they are now under pressure to take a leading role, bret? >> bret: ed henry live on the north lawn. thank you. let's find out now what the israeli military is doing leland vittert is in northern israeli tonight. >> tanks fired up their engines and made the crawl from flatbed trucks to the well worn dere of the goal line heights miles from the border they could soon fight on. soldiers spent the day preparing their armour. on the high ground incoming rockets backed group hezbollah in lebanon or the syrian army. stayed to work hard out of the syrian war which rages in villages just beyond the border finance. but says it will not sit by as iranian cargo jets like these bring in sophisticated weapons to syrian airports for their final land journey to hezbollah. iran has long tried supply its proxies with both sophisticated air defenses and long range more accurate missiles to attack israel's population centers. >> we are concerned about the security of israel. we are worried about the that

it is true that the obama administration has gone after more leakers than all of the other administrations in the last few years combined and they say they're for whistle blowers, but they are now secretly going after phone records. they don't even need to both to subpoena the reporter and get the reporter to talk any more. >> in that kind of environment why would any source worried about his or her job or his or her security talk to a reporter and worry about their exposure. >> reporters need to do their job without big brother watching over them. sources need to be able to tell a story or go behind the scenes or whistleblow without being exposed. in boston there is a race to be first and then there are mistakes made and the race to be accurate. the reporters that won the day were the ones most accurate because they have the most, pun intended, reliable sources around. so, you know, this isn't just one or two reporters, howie, they're going after. after 100 reporters in two months. that's a wide dragnet. >> it is. let's look at both sides of this. doesn't the government have a legitimate

it is the present administration. so, i wonder doesn't responsibility for setting the tone and direction ultimately rest with the president on these matters? >> well, the responsibility to set tone and to focus on the priorities. american people is absolutely the responsibility of the president. you see and hear him do that every day. as he fulfills his duties as president. i think you have to separate these issues. i think if you look at the answers the president gave yesterday in response to questions on the one hand about the clear political circus that benghazi has become, his response to questions about the report of activity by the irs. i think you see something different. he made clear if t personnel prove to be true, he would find them treajsz and he would expect appropriate action be taken and people be held responsible. he has no tolerance for targeting of specific groups, conservative groups if the reporting is true on this. he would expect action to be taken. this is a matter when it comes to the irs it is

you know, the wheels came off so soon in the administration and with congress. ich was stunning and surprising frankly. >> jon: it's surprising when there's a meeting, when they literally sit and go, we will not work together. is that not surprising? that's the opposite of surprising when you go, well, that was our plan. that worked. >> well, you know, on one hand to say it. it's quite another to fulfill it >> jon: but they did fulfill it. i know. people on both sides say a lot of things but you get past that and you work together. that's what should have happened. that's what didn't happen. that's tragic >> jon: what's the pushback like? >> what? i don't know about the pushback. i'm always pushing back. >> jon: they did not care for you? >> no. literally on the front lines everyday. that's why, you know, i was called a dinosaur and a r.i.n.o. >> jon: these guys get there, you get manchin from west virginia and too maniy from wherever the hell that guy is from. >> pennsylvania jon: they ghettoing and do a bipartisan background check amendment. they say they've go

>> yeah, the fact is the obama administration red line was a bad idea. is not going to enforce his own red line is a worse idea. it is a credibility hit to him. it's a credibility hit to the government itself. just because you do one foolish thing means you have to do another foolish thing. >> lou: reconcile something for me. we have had over 70,000 people murdered in the country of mexico. that is on our border. there hasn't been a peep from this administration about the narco violence that has raged through mexico. we suddenly have a group of council of foreign relation subscribers, we have to go to war in syria. can somebody square that. >> it's time to take a deep breath. what are our objectives in syria by saying, red line and not sure what to do. chemical weapons, send in the marines. we do not belong in the middle of another sill war. problem with the chemical weapons, go in and destroy them. have our allies allies do it. >> lou: thank you. >> the epa working to delay the keystone pipeline. did i say epa -- i meant president obama. we'll be joined

attorney who prosecuted corruption inside the administration, a former d.c. r of marion berry. >> great memories of public service and kind of thing you take it with you for the rest of your life. you can never duplicate that. it's absolutely wonderful. >> that fits the bill. >> chris: since 1988 they have been in private practice together, handling big cases and commenting on others. >> he controls a lot of things. >> you like appearing on tv? >> yes, but most always about somebody else's cases. >> chris: they met at rally at a republican convention. >> i had 30 pins with me i was selling a big three dollars a apiece. >> she said how much, three dollars a piece ander said i would take them all. >> they had a wedding reception in the senate caucus room. >> chris: how do the two of you get along? >> great. >> we travel the world together. >> they are as well known as for his singing. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> chris: there is no time for that now. representing two benghazi whistleblowers and they think more to come. >> the got involved after hearing one of their national securit

the george w. bush administration, also the obama administration. believed that to be true when he said it, but that is not true. >>> earlier today, an otherwise innocuous conference sponsor bid the bar association, the irs admitted that, yes, tea parties were singled out by at least one lower level irs employee at the irs office in cincinnati. groups with names that included tea party or patriots were singled out for tax-exempt status. at least 75 tea party groups were given this unwanted special attention, although none of them were actually denied the tax exempt status they were looking for. you cannot accept scrutiny according to where you think they are on the number line. you cannot do that to groups on the right, you cannot do that to groups on the left and vice versa. and the irs apparently now agrees. the agency has, as of today, issued an apology. they say they fixed the problem last year. they say there is an upcoming irs general audit that will look into the matter further. i mean, it's not like outing a covert cia operative or something,

during the bush administration, the same thing. ll of a sudden it happens to a conservative organization and very white person, republican, -- host: michael johnson tweets in, jenny beth martin, didn't this happen to the naacp? guest: my understanding that some things happened to the naacp, i have not fully asked all those questions. someone asked me about that yesterday on "hardball." if it happened in the bush administration, it's wrong. douglas shulman, the i.r.s. commissioner in the early part of last year, was appointed by president bush. if he was aware of this, he needs to be held accountable. i don't care who did it whether it's a republican or democrat. it's not about republican or democrat to me. so i agree that it doesn't matter whether it's republican, democrat, white, black, this is about people who have power in our country, who have authority in our country, not abusing that power. it does not need to happen to anyone. the i.r.s. is not a political weapon and it should not and will not be used as one again in the fut

what other issues is the president in this administration facing and how will they fare? joining us, campaigns and election magazines editor. good to see you. >> good to see you. morning. >> taking the white house and having that job is never easy. there's so much on a president's plate. how do you rate this week? >> this week was a particularly poor one for the white house. there's no doubt. i think when you look at what's happening with irs burgeoning scandal we've only scratched the surface here. i think there's going to be hearings and investigations galore on this. what you've heard from the irs and what's coming out necessitates sooner rather than later something from the president on this. i think understanding that the senior officials at the irs knew this type of targeting was going on. perhaps knew about it for sometime i think necessitates president obama saying something about this fairly quickly. >> it's astounding to many americans that the irs has the time even, and the manpower, to go through all the taxpayers and organizations that have the word patriots,

that seizing these documents from folks who are trying to report on the administration strikes at theery heart of our democracy and transparency. this is an administration that now has demonstrated that politics play into just about every activity they're involved in. there's very little effort put into managing and putting in proper constraints so that these really dangerous things don't happen in our country. >> meanwhile, sir, in washington, at least over the last year, we've seen the fact that from the left and the right, that the administration has been criticized for issues with leaks. last june we had senator john mccain sponsoring a resolution calling for the attorney general to appoint an outside special counsel to investigate national security leaks. do you think that that needs to be brought up once again? and how would this special counsel get its information when investigating news outlets, if so? >> i it sha-- i definitely thin a number of the things that are in the news today, whether that's going on with respect to this a.p. report or what's going on at the internal re

does he name somebody from outside the administration? he count on as his remarks indicated tonight, directing the secretary of the treasury department to make sure to hold those responsible for these failures? does he need to do, does he need to direct that something else happened that might not otherwise happen in the normal course? >> my personal opinion, yes, there would be pressure for him to do that. if not a special prosecutor, some special investigator. you're making some of the right moves. the republicans are very good at this. you remember when you remember when -- all over the clinton administration. the president himself and his actions, they're playing by that same playbook now. benghazi, this is by the play book and again, as long as there's something to it, even if it turns out to be a few low level people who didn't do what they were supposed to do, it's very serious. you have to have integrity. if you don't have that integrity, people lose trust in government as a whole. >> you have to act decisively to put a stop to it.

the bush administration. 's five years ago. i'm tired of your bush excuses. why do you trust eric holder to do this? >> i trust -- i trust eric holder because i trust the process. he will be in hearings tomorrow. if it is determined that he -- >> you are naive. >> -- appropriately, then he will be removed. call me naive but i think i'm being reasonable. >> i don't think he's shown the judgment, he has the judgment of character to do so. >> he said their deputies can be trusted. it's eric holder currently blaming the deputies who is going on with the a.p. so eric holder apparently doesn't trust his own people. the thing is can you trust the administration or not? they are not trustworthy when it comes to investigating themselves. >> thank you both. appreciate it. coming up, a rare television appearance by former defense secretary donald rumsfeld in studio. does he believe a coverup occurred in the wake of benghazi? we will ask him. and we always want to hear from you. log on to our companion site u get to selec

i also served in the clinton administration. i was an intern in the carter administration. aller: did you ever explained to the president what the heart of secretary and violence is? i do not think the president was aware of a sunni, and what the basis of the conflicts are. this is lack of knowledge. also, these countries were created by the british and the french after world war i when they defeated the ottoman empire, and they created the countries for their own self interests. it paid no attention to tribal alliances. they had product -- problems almost immediately. iraq was never a nationstate. i am looking for you to impart knowledge, not to get generalities. what is the heart of the problem? what is the cause of the problem question mark make -- problem? make the american people understand this is religion. host: let's get a response. guest: you make some good points. i disagree with some. one of the principal causes, not the only one, is religious differences. you have had a faction of shia islam led by the assad family that has been in control of syria. the majority

how does the administration navigate this if they want to be successful? the uninsured can start getting insurance on october 1st? >> what they're trying to do is go around in the same way that their campaign was so successful -- political campaign going around traditional media and trying to communicate with people directly. that's the kind of campaign they're going to do. in the poll you read, one of the things we see -- part of the reason -- people say they don't like the plan. a large majority of americans don't realize it's current law. they still think it's legislation. a large% of americans still don't understand what is in it. so i think part of the big problem here is that there's so much misinformation that the administration has to find a way to directly communicate and target the people that need to get into the system and who will benefit the most from this program the information they need and try to cut through some of this other stuff. >> well, chris, there is early ammunition for the administration. rates under the california health care ex

the warren g. harding administration. the bribery scandal before watergate. it was the biggest political scandal in our country's history. who doesn't know that, john? >> obama is being compared to president nixon. how does he feel about that? >> again, i don't have a reaction from president obama. i can tell you that people who make those kind of comparisons need to check their history. >> welcome to "morning joe." it is may 15th, as you take a beautiful look at new york city. with us on set, steve rattner, mike barnicle, willie geist and in d.c., we have lisa myers, kelly o'donnell, david ignatius and unbelievable amount of news to cover this morning. i wish they would give us, mika, more than three hours because it's never in your. >> we're good. >> i'm not good. i don't even get started in three hours! >> i know. >> you look at the lead editorial in "the new york times." they talk about the obama administration's chilling zeal to shut down leaks inside the white house, another jay carney press conference yesterday, more awkwardness. so much going on. befo

said it was going to publish anyway even though the administration was going to announce this the next day. administration goes ahead, c.i.a. goes ahead, they violated security here and we're going to investigate using that as a pretext when they were going to release the information themselves. >> jon: so if the white house had made the announcement the way they wanted, would we be having this investigation? >> we don't know that. none of us has top security clearances here. we are at a disadvantage. it's not correct that the government doesn't have the right to seize records without notifying a news organization. they do have a right if an ongoing criminal investigation or issue of national security is about to be compromised. that is what the issue is here. does the department of justice have cause to do what it did and was it dragnet too broad. we don't know the answer to that yet. >> jon: rick, media matters is the liberal watchdog group. they have taken a lot of heat here for sort of pushing the line that the department of justice, the department of justice talking points on this

the administration wanted to continue the pletense that democracy was coming. certainly as an intelligence officers you are always respectful of what the president or the political people say, but nonetheless you put forces in place just in case it happens when they are wrong. i'm sure that the military both in terms of special forces and the marines and the agency had people ready to help. you have to remember on the friday before they leaked the story to make sure that petraeus had to resign, he said no one at the c.i.a. refused to help those people who were undee attack which directly leads back to the white house as the people who stopped a mission to save them. >> are you intimate go that petraeus' fall, he was hardly the first general to have an affair -- are you suggesting that that affair was tied to take responsibility or make it abundantly clear where the blame lies? >> i think there is no doubt about it based on the information that came out afterwards. the affair had been examined and found to have no national security implications. obama had to get

the panel. charles? >> benghazi happened a lot time ago. this administrationlled every inquiry and delayed the answers and not reased names and told all kinds of story and they are saying it is an old story. i have argued from the beginning, the administration is always stringing it out over time and count on the main stream media being uninterested in the story and that worked up until now . echoes what hillary clinton said in the hearings. what difference does it make at this point? >> if you wait that long, the evidence will fade. but they will not get away with it. i think there are people in the state department that want to testify and now it is out in the open, they are -- at least the accusation is that the administration is threatening them and in cases like that. they will be allowed to testify and as we heard in the reports from adam houseley. there is stuff that happened there that contradicts the official story and that is when the story of the unraveling of this will begin. >> bret: juan. >> i love challenging authority and love challenging gover

the administration, the president have a window of opportunity in the coming days and weeks to fix itthink that's a big distinction and difference from what we've seen in other administrations. >> it is often not the mistakes made that get you u into trouble. it's what happens after those were made. much more to talk about and i'm sure we'll have you both back. thank you. appreciate it. >>> checking the news feud this morning, the u.s. ambassador in moscow was called after security officials say they caught a u.s. diplomat acting as a spy. russian officials say he was carrying equipment when stopped. he was an embassy employee, but no more than that. and experts have been puzzled by some of what the russians displayed as being his, including a compass. he has been handed over to u.s. embassy officials. >>> attorneys for ariel castro say he intended to plead not guilty on all charges. in an interview, his attorney said castro isn't the monster everyone is portraying them as. in fact, they talk about the love he has for the 6-year-old daughter he fathered with one of the three women he