the former president of the american psychiatric association joins me live to discuss. >>> plus smart phones provide us all with connectivity, but are they making our kids lonelier? apple is being asked to address the problem. i'll talk to the pioneer researcher in this issue. >>> and everybody agrees we're in the midst of an opioid crisis, but is the federal government doing all it should do to solve the problem? what could be done? i'll ask a former head of the fda. >>> but first, he said it. on that, i have no doubt, and i think he knew exactly what he was doing. the profanity that the oxford dictionary defines as an extremely dirty, shabby or otherwise unpleasant place, ben zimmer who writes a language column in the "wall street journal" told "the washington post" it's a word commonly spoken among friends but rarely written down or documented. true, we've all heard it. some of us have said it, me included, but he should not have, and certainly not in this context, because regardless of whether the word enters the vocabulary of others, it's beneath the dignity of the office of the

the american psychiatric association, this is the principle of medical ethics section 7.3. a physiatrist may share with the public of his/her expertise. >> now, you have not conducted an examination and you are offering a professional opinion here. >> no, i am just alerting about the signs. the signs say other people may not recognize because they are the why variations in normal. most people who may not see individuals or impaired may miss these signs. for example, someone having a yellow face, individuals may see that's their normal complex, a physician may look for signs of a liver failure or awarding signs or signs of concerns, then you will recommend of an km examination. i am a strong proponent of it. i have kept with it as a physiatrist, i have asked to diagnose someone without seeing them. i can confidently say that i have abide the principle water goals and kept them and even here. i do not agree of the american psychiatric association changing the interpretation of the rules going from diagnosing to the media to a gag rule essentially. we cannot make any comments

this led to the american psychiatric association in 1973 adopting what else' been known ever since ashe goldwater rule, which says, in part, "it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement." the rule has been in place and was largely respected for more than 40 years, until the candidacy and election of donald trump. his behavior led many to express frustration at what they feel is a gag rule, claiming that they've seen enough of trump from his public utterances and his tweets to decide. group of 27 mental health professionals went so far as to collaborate on a book expressing their concerns called "the dangerous case of donald trump." this week, came news that in early december, the book's editor yale university psychiatry professor dr. bandy x. lee met on capitol hill with more than a dozen members of congress concerned about trump's recent behavior. now several quotes and episodes in michael wolff's book have thrown fuel on the fire of this debate including st

yeah, well, i mean, i'm not going to comment on the american psychiatric association or their standardsi know what dr. lee and the 26 other mental health professionals who wrote the book, "the dangerous case of donald trump," said and they said we are not actually presuming to diagnose him, what we are saying is we have observed patterns of behavior we've observed over many years and this causes us grave concern and we have a professional obligation to warn people. they specifically say they're not trying to diagnose him, they're basically just saying we have concerns because of his behavior. >> patterns that they're seeing. okay. glad for clarifying that. you are certainly the top democrat on the house fwugt committee. we know that the president is seeking $18 billion for a border wall which he demands must be part of any potential deal with the democrats on the daca program, which democrats are saying that's a nonstarter. strategists have suggested to me both parties could walk away happy by giving trump a wall in name only and then walking away with some sort of path to citizenship f

talk to doctor lee, did she address the critics who said what she's doing against the american psychiatric association rules in terms of making a judgment on somebody who they have not examined. >> that's the so-called water goal, especially without having examined them or public officials and without their consent. there is more than one who believes despite the criticism. this president prompted, caused potentially renewing those ethic standards especially because lawmakers are not yet taken seriously of what they do believe to be a potential imminent risk. >> ron, you had a quick final thought. >> real quick. whatever the portrait of the president and the michael wolff, the equally devastating portrayal from foreign diplomat. i think most americans perception of him are shaken but by what they are watching him do and say himself everyday. that's where the impressions of his fitness are lack there of being forged much more than these other accounts. >> ron brownstein. >> thank you. this white house controversy is right in the front and center of the white house. we are live in the "newsroom" don't g

>> the american psychiatric association has said so that we shouldn't be making this kind of assessment unless they've had the opportunity to get to know him and examine him and in my opinion that it's just tabloid psychiatry and i'm not going to address it. the president before january 20, i never saw him before january 20 so i had no information on that. >> you said you would assume it's within four to five hours. i think most would be helpful but it doesn't concern me because it is his nature and i just think it works for him. if he could get more sleep that would be great but i don't know that it's likely to happen. does this president asked about how he can follow the example and do you keep a tally of how much he plays that repeatedly doesn't tell us do you keep a tally? >> i do not keep a tally. there is a certain amount of exercise involved in that. next question? >> e. doesn't take any medications at all. >> what is the exam involved? >> can look online and see what it all about. if you do well on it, anything about the 26 is normally and if you get a 30 out of 30 i think you c

the american psychiatric association has an ethics guideline about not diagnosing people unless you havey sat down and evaluated them. my concern is if they can question this about the president, they can question this about any average american and say well, you are this, even though i've never talk to you. i've never examined you. that's a very serious problem. on a lighter note, the doctor was up there for so long that i really think they should've put a time limit on it. at the point i'm getting details about colonoscopies and sedation and prostate issues, it's too much for me. i don't need to know all those details. next time, let's cut off the questions that 30 minutes. >> juan: in the defense of gupta, didn't he cite numbers in terms of his cholesterol. >> katie: there is no defense. he didn't evaluate him. the doctor said specifically he didn't have heart disease. >> juan: greg, you and i love food. they were describing trump's diet. 12 diet coke the day. two big macs. flail fish. -- filet of fish and then finished off with a chocolate shake. >> kimberly: he is eating fish. greg.

eventually this led to the american psychiatric association in 1973 adopting what's been known ever sinces the goldwater rule which is says in part it's unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has been conducted an examination and has been granted access for such a statement. for the candidacy of donald trump his behavior left many express frustration for many what they feel as a gag rule. claiming they've seen enough from president trump from his u urterances to describe. and calling on concerns called "dangerous case of donald trump." add this week came news that early in december the book's editor yale university psychiatry professor dr. randy lee met on capitol hill concerned about president trump's recent behavior. now several quotes and episodes in michael wolff's book have thrown fuel on the debate including steve bannon saying trump has, quote, lost it. on friday when asked about trump's fitness for office on the "today" show, woefrl salff this. >> let me put a marker in the sand here. 100% of the people around him, they all say he is like a c

the former president of the american psychiatric association joins me live to discuss. >>> plus smartphones provide us all with connectivity, but are they making our kids lonelier?

the american psychiatric association sent a delegation, the goldwateram case, said it is wrong for anytrist ever to diagnose anybody without them examining them. i taught law psychiatry for 25 years at harvard. i coedited the textbook and the first rule of psychiatry is you do not diagnose based on political reasons -- >> sean: i read a book about russian mind control, everything you are discussing, it's all true. >> it is so dangerous. you don't like somebody, vote against them. i voted against donald trump.vo i voted for hillary clinton. >> sean: it's the only thing we disagree on. >> but ie am doing it not for y political -- >> sean: you are doing it for my constitutional law perspective. an effort to the constitution. this is a clear and present danger. let me bring john and sara carter back in. you add to that, when you start surveilling, unmasking, you don't minimize, at the new leak raw intelligence, they did that to general flynn and i am sure, i will but everything i have, that, they said, you either age that you lied to us every going after your source. >> of course. >> and t

. >> you are right, she has a first amendment right to say these things, however, the american psychiatric association real really frowns on this. they have a protocol for not diagnosing somebody without evaluating. i know maybe she has not given an exact dsm diagnosis, but she says the president is very dangerous and showing signs of impairment. isn't that hyperbole? >> it may or may not be depending on your perspective. they are calling it delusional opinions, and it's like he apologized for the tape, and then says it's not true. it's delusional behavior. what we need is a process to deal with the possibility of a real crisis. we have 535 members of congress. we only have one president of the united states. that's why we have the 25th amendment that was adopted in the nuclear age. the senators that introduced it and pushed for it, i read the entire legislative history, and they said it's serious business, if you have a president that goes into a coma or loses his memory or has a psychotic break or for some other reason is able to render the proper powers and duties of office. >> the way the 25th ame

but in terms of understanding what they meant, i would question that the american psychiatric associationt cautioned that even professionals shouldn't try to imagine what's in the mind of somebody they haven't sat with and had as a patient and talked to. so, in terms of professionals, they would say that it would be quackery to diagnose from a distance. now, what we have here is what i've been describing for two years, where the people who are the supporters and the people who are not have formed two completely different movies. and in the movies of the anti-trumpers, this is proof positive of what they always believed. in the minds of the people who are supporters, who don't believe he's speaking racist, but is speaking selfishly and insensitively in his usual hyperbolic way, they would see it as the context was talking about a merit-based immigration program versus a more humanitarian based. but the context also should include the fact that the president's own plan, as i understand it, i think we need more details, but would bring in the people who pass some kind of a merit and given th

the american psychiatric association said it is wrong for any psychiatrist ever to diagnose anybody withoutm examining them. i taught law and psychiatry for 25 years at harvard and co-edited the textbook on law the psychiatry. the first rule is you do not diagnose based on political grounds or -- >> sean: i read the synthesis of mind control. everything you are skunks -- discussing. >> sean: if you don't like somebody vote against them. >> i voted for hillary clinton. >> sean: it's the only thing we disagree on. you are doing it from a constitutional law perspective and the threat to the constitution. this is a clear and present danger. let me bring john and sara back in. you add to that when you start surveilling, unmasking, you don't minimize and then you leak raw intelligence. they did that to general flynn and i'm sure, i will bet everything i have they said oh, you either agree that you lied to us or we're going after your son. >> of course they did. >> that's definitely what i'm hearing from my sources. right now, sean, there are 27 leak investigations at the department of justice. th

. >> it's called the goldwater rule, section of the american psychiatric association guidelines thats it's unethical for a psychiatrist to offer professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination. >> it was spurred by barry goldwater's run for president in 1964, and psychiatrists as a group who were opposed to and so they made diagnoses about him that were based on psychoanalytic principles which we don't use today. >> 53 years later, yale university psychiatrist dr. lee met with lawmakers and told them president trump is mentally unfit for office. dr. lee says she is nonpartisan it didn't break the goldwater rule but felt compelled to intervene due to present danger for the public. he tweeted: my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. >> i am with him every day. he asks difficult questions of our team at cia so we can provide the information he needs. >> the president's tweets reaffirm the plainspoken truth. a self-made billionaire revolutionized reality tv and taps into something magical happening in the heart of this country.

. >> i would say that the american psychiatric association has said so, too. people shouldn't be making the assessmentes about the president unless they've had the opportunity to get to know him and examine him. in my opinion, that's just tabloid psychiatry. i'm not going to address it or fall into responding to those questions or accusations. >> how would you describe list diet before he became president? too much mcdonald's? >> i have the same information that you have. i didn't know the president before january 20th. i never saw him eat a meal before january 20th. so i have no information on that. >> thank you. you said you're not sure how much sleep he gets a night but you assume it is four to five hours. does that concern you? >> more sleep for all of us would be helpful. it doesn't concern me because i think it is his nature. it works for him. i wouldn't work for me but it works for him. if co-get more sleep, that would be great but i don't think it is likely to happen. it is just the way he's wired. >> the current president about his predecessors' exerci

. >> the american psychiatric association has said so that we shouldn't be making this kind of assessment unless they've had the opportunity to get to know him and examine him and in my opinion that it's just tabloid psychiatry and i'm not going to address it. >> how would you describe his diet before he became president? >> i just have the same information before you have. i did not know the president before january 20, i never saw him before january 20 so i had no information on that. >> you said you're not sure how much sleep he gets a night but you said you would assume it's within four to five hours. >> i think most would be helpful but it doesn't concern me because it is his nature and i just think it works for him. if he could get more sleep that would be great but i don't know that it's likely to happen. june tell him about his predecessors exercise routine and does this president asked about how he can follow the to be as fit as barack and do you keep a he playshow much golf that repeatedly doesn't tell us do you keep a tally? , >> i do not keep a tally. there is a certain amount

>> symptoms of dementia, symptoms of -- >> i would say that the american psychiatric association has said so, too. so i think -- people shouldn't be making those kinds of assessments about the president unless they have the opportunity to know him and examine him. in my opinion, that's just tabloid psychiatry and i don't -- i'm not going to address it or fall into responding to those kinds of questions or accusations. >> how would you describe his diet before he became president? a lot has been said about too much mcdonald's, too many burgers. >> to be honest with you, i have no hide. i didn't know him before january 20th. so i never saw him eat a meal before january 20th. so i have no information on that. >> thank you. you said you're not sure how much sleep he gets a night. you assume it's four to five hours. does that concern you? would you recommend him to get more sleep? >> sure. more sleep for all of us would be helpful. but it doesn't concern me. it's his nature. he's always been that way. i think that it works for him. it wouldn't work for me but works for him. so sure, if he

who haven't valuated him or examined him and listening to them is in violation of the american psychiatric associations it's in my view not particularly ethical, and i think it -- it's in danger misleading the public. don't listen to psychiatrists. listen to your own conscious about how you feel about political candidates and then vote your conscious, not what a psychiatrist tells you. that's very dangerous to democracy. liz: and read what the 25th amendment says. it's extremely difficult to get a president removed on the 25th amendment. virtually impossible. >> yep. liz: professor allen dershowitz, we love having you go on. come back soon. >> any time. thank you. liz: fox business maria bartiromo attending the jp morgan health care conference this week. maria has a big interview with jp morgan chase chair and ceo jamie diamond tomorrow morning starting at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. be sure to tune into that. look at this story. apple making a lot of money. most of its revenue off the iphones. but now two big shareholders are asking at what cost? saying apple, that iphone device and smartphones in general

symptoms of -- >> i would say the the american psychiatric association said so. people shouldn't make those assessments about the president unless they have the opportunity to get to know him and examine him. that is tabloid psychiatry. i will not address it or fall into you know, to responding to those kinds of questions or accusations. reporter: how would you describe his diet before he became president? a lot has been said about too much mcdonald's, too many burgers, do you think it was problematic? >> to be honest with you. i have same information you have. i didn't know the president before january 20th. i never saw him eat a meal before january 20th. i have no information on that. >> thank you. you said you're not sure how much sleeps he gets a night. you assume four to five hours. does that concern you? would you recommend him to get more sleep? >> sure i think more sleep for all of us would be helpful. it doesn't really concern me. i think it is his nature. he has always been that way. it works for him. it wouldn't work for me. but it, woulds for him. if h

>> symptoms of dementia, symptoms of -- >> i would say, you know, the american psychiatric association has said so, too. i think, you know, people shouldn't be making those kinds of assessments about the president unless they had the opportunity to get to know him and examine him. in my opinion, that's tabloid -- i'm not going to address it or fall into responding to those kinds of questions or accusations. >> how would you describe his diet before he became president? a lot's been said about too much mcdonald's, too many burgers. do you think it was problematic? >> to be honest with you, i have no idea. i didn't know the president before january 20th so i never saw him eat a meal before january 20th. i have no information on that. >> thank you. you said you're not sure how much sleep he gets a night, but you assume it's between four to five hours. does that concern you? would you recommend him to try to get more sleep? >> i mean, sure, i think more sleep for all of us would be helpful but it doesn't really concern me because i think it's his nature. i think he's always been that way.

the american psychiatric association built its own rule about analyzing people they've never met.thing to barry goldwater, ronald reagan and even worse to president trump. they can agree this policy is. lisa: if you eat cheeseburgers are you like ice cream or chocolate cake that somehow you're unfit to serve in office because some of us don't like to eat healthy. a cheeseburger yesterday. >> clearly cheeseburgers upset people in hollywood as well. director chad alcatel. let's do this. please shut the expletive out for once in your life should be oxblood about. we all need one moment of pc use both self-involved. taken expletive break for a moment. guess that gift. he didn't stop there by the way. lisa: he went on and he said we all should be filling the office or legislator in calling nonstop today the mentally ill president be removed. not doing so puts lives at risk. why didn't we act. draco wonder if the director for drilled for june will be leading the charge. he made a lot of funny movies that you and i have been laughing at, but she put up why you see the exemplar of what sh

during the barry goldwater years in 1964 there was a rule by the american psychiatric association barringhem from evaluating people in general on mental stability if they haven't evaluated them. so they violate their own ethics. it is dangerous and unethical and beyond the pale for them. >> bill: you wonder how dangerous it is for us overseas, too, mary anne. what do you think of what's going on in the back and forth in the media about the stability of president trump? >> i think what's fair here is katie has a great point. she is right. diagnosis from afar isn't appropriate. we have two examples that we can look at. first and foremost in this book which is up for debate. many people who work with donald trump have expressed their concerns about his well-being. secondly, we also have behavior by trump -- >> bill: who is that, by the way? who has worked for the president that expressed concerns about mental stability? >> you have many people in this book. who -- michael wolff didn't name them but he certainly pointed to steve bannon as one recently and publicly. we have that. on the other

that would run contrary to the standards of any medical professionals, including the american medical psychiatric association. she said it was just her view from afar about the president's conduct and it's her duty to come forward and she's worried the president is unraveling and that could lead to impulsive decisions. she said what needs to happen now is what she's calling a neuropsychiatric exam that would actually determine whether or not the president has the capacity to fulfill his duties as president of the united states, which is, of course, an important and stressful job. of course, wolf, as you know, the white house is pushing back on this report. they won't entertain questions about dr. lee's books or the meetings with congress but they say any question about the president's mental fitness is disgraceful. >> pretty extraordinary, this whole notion. thanks very much for that, ryan nobles reporting. the house intelligence committee chairman struck a new deal with the justice department over documents and witnesses he's requested happening shortly after a very unusual meeting on capitol hill involving

sometimes in what way >> well, symptoms of dementia, symptoms of -- >> i would say the american psychiatric association has said so, too. i think that people shouldn't be making those kind of assessments about the president unless they've had the opportunity to get to know him and exam him in my opinion, that's just tabloid psychiatry and i just don't -- i'm not going to address it or fall into -- into, you know, into responding to those kind of questions or accusations. >> how would you describe his diet before he became president? a lot has been said about too much mcdonald's, too many burgers. is that problematic? >> i have no idea. i just have the same information as you have. i didn't know the president before january 20th. i never saw him eat a meal before january 20th. i have no information on that. >> thank you you said you're not sure how much sleep he gets a night but you assume it's between four to five hours does that concern you? would you recommend him to try to get more sleep? >> sure. i think more sleep for all of us would be helpful but it doesn't concern me because i think it's his na

four years ago the american psychiatric association added it as a mental disorder for the first time.here be a clinical diagnosis? some research we have done ha5 diagnosis? some research we have done has suggested there are pathways into how people become addicts. a couple of months ago we published ca5e addicts. a couple of months ago we published case studies to show that gaming addiction is a lot of other thing5, the5e gaming addiction is a lot of other thing5, these are adole5cent5 between 12 and 17 years old, we found one had auti5m, one had bipolar, another had a dd and one had issue altogether. they were identical in what they played but there were different pathways as to how and why people might become a gaming addict in the first place. steve, will you pick up on how important it is that it is joining the territory of drugs, and i know that there are areas that you work in as well? i am a hands on council on the frontline, and the human brain has on the frontline, and the human brain ha5a on the frontline, and the human brain has a capacity to addict to anything it finds ple