eric, that is a $17000000000 trillion have a gornment that doesn't announce to the american public thate are bankrupt and instead they dig more debt and spending money on riculous items and programs, that is just one example as to why it is that the american public can't trust the federal governme. it seems that washington is for sale and we have so many companiesine in the recent weeks, eric that lead people to understand and acknowledge that we need ahealthy distrust of our government. >> this week, the tea party said it is time to abolishhe irs? >> right on. this would give us reason to head toward a miction of a tax code and adopt a flat tax and you know, that way we coul abolish the bureaucracy that is so burden system and expensive andngaging in ridiculous antics today in the irs. it would allow sledgehammering of cony capitalism and also corruption within. the tax cheats and all of that scenario. and would give us great reason to make more sense ofhe cofferes that are filled by the american's public fruft their labors. >> the irs gave us a comment that said on the screen. regardin

the priorities a political class are often very different from the perris of the american public. the american public is concerned with bread and butter issues. there jobs, the economy, deficits, health care, the kids' schools, etc. and i am not saying these other issues are not important. and to saying, these are way down on a list of priorities. that is the subject of my second book. it is not the subject in this one. perris of political class, and these things with politics, particularly not higher up. >> host: why is that? >> guest: these things are very important to the political class. we have a democratic party that has been described as liberal. they're is a certain element to that. the republicans, for their part, have some religious right. they come in fact, these issues are of deep concern to them. and yet not so much for the average american. there has been a pull for years and years asking about the most important issues facing there public. very few are seen where it gay-rights was one that included toward reform. most appear -- most have no idea what tort reform is.

when you have a government that will not acknowledge to the american public that we are bankrupt and instead the federal government continues to perpetuate by digging more debt and spending money on ridiculous items and programs. one example that is why the american public cannot trust the federal government. it seems that washington is for sale. we have so many examples, even in the recent weeks, eric, that lead people to acknowledge that we all need a very healthy distrust of our federal government. >> eric: tea party suggested that it's time to abolish the irs? >> right on. absolutely, this would give us reason to head toward simplified tax code and adopt a flat tax. that way we could abolish the bureaucracy that is so burdensome and so expensive and ridiculous antics with the irs. it would allow some sledge hammering of the crony capitalism and that whole senator. scenario. this would give us good reason to make more sense the coffers being filled by the american public's fruit of their labors. >> eric: the irs gave us a comment. let's pull it down. regarding the $70 million in bo

we're having today are very much around the fact that we have secret courts issuing secret opinions that are not public to the that are not available to the american public and we've heard from from numerous senators including senators wyden it all this is part of the problem in that there's a clear mis clear gap in understanding between what sort of these interpretations are and what the american public actually understands them to be you know david let me go to you in philadelphia i mean this classification thing gives the national security state power ok we have information you don't ok and they like it that way . well democracy depends on freedom of information and we basically don't have that anymore we're told that there's anything basically important is too important for us to know but worse than that it's even too important for members of congress to know and so and even when they're told they're told it under rules of secrecy that they aren't allowed to tell us i mean it was really ridiculous that senator wyden said he knew this terrible stuff that americans would be a really go ballistic over if they knew but he couldn't tell us because

next week or so will be able to get a declassification of information that i think will allow the american public to better understand it. the second part and i will tell you as strongly as i can the national security agency is not reading americans e-mail. they are not collecting americans e-mails by either of these programs. i've heard it repeated by members of congress and the senate. i have heard it repeated in news outlets. that is absolutely incorrect.

it's clear they want to get out of it as quickly as they can and get this person and the american public is ambivalent about it. my question is when do we hear from the president?

the concern here, the american public is fearful that in this massive amount of data you get that there's, the ability of the federal government to synthesize that data and learn something more than maybe what was ever contemplated by the patriot act. that would be number one. the second thing is the more

both individuals and the persons around and care about one thing, that is protecting the american public. everything else is secondary. both presidents have the same desire to assure the american public is kept safe. there may be a difference in nuanced ways in terms of how they ask questions. in terms of a desire to protect the american public, there is no difference whatsoever. >> washington is a famously complicated place when it comes to agencies working together. you have set a little bit about the fbi and cia and their improved relationship. what would you say about the current state of the inter- agency process? >> out in the field, those differences disappear. it is back in washington where you have much more butting of heads or issues relating to agencies. we used to butt heads with the a -- dea. now it is no longer a priority, we do not but heads with them. the biggest thing has been with the international intelligence agencies, national security agency. the willingness to sit down and exchange of information, understanding that we collect and different authorities. the cia and

he asked for the unanswered questions of domestic use of drones and t impact on the american public, what were they and what wasoing on and was it actually happening. he was chidded and mocked and ridiculed by the obama administration and some in the senate for engaging in such a thing. ram paul was right and finally we are getting an answer. yes, drones are used on the american soil. >> and so now e irs is targeting the conservative groups because they don't agree with the ideology. he didn't specify who and why they were usg the drones. again, can we trust them? we are building a little argument here? >> we are building a strong case against that trust of today's federal government. i personally do no trust any government that is led by barak ama when he is fulfilling the promise fundmentally ansform the most exceptional nation. as i said so many times we don't need a fundmental transformation we need what is good and free and right about america. i don'trust the government ufrnd the leadership that wan to chang what we know is so good about america. >> okay, governor, one more, we'

the n.s.a. was not collecting meditate on the public of the american public so why are authorities looking to prosecute snowden while they are keeping their hands off of quite far political commentator sam sachs looks that the man who no one else seems to want to question if you have a contractor that has been hired who is then hired this twenty nine year old who's now holed up in some hotel room in hong kong claiming to be the defender of democracy somehow in the people's republic of china if anyone were to violate the law by releasing classified information outside the legal avenues certainly that individuals should be prosecuted that the full extent of the law that's house majority leader eric cantor already turning up the heat on n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden the man behind a series of leaks laying bare the united states's national surveillance complex the chairman of the house homeland security committee peter king has chimed in to releasing a statement saying the united states government must prosecute snowden to the fullest extent of the law and begin extradition proceedings at the earlies

so the american public might be against the idea of arming the rebels but for the obama administration it's full steam ahead as the government tries to convince opposing nations like russia to jump on board but who exactly are the rebels while political commentator sam sacks takes a closer look at the people behind the opposition last week just before the white house announced its plans to arm the syrian rebels many of those same rebels raided a town in eastern syria and massacred sixty shiite muslims now this is nothing new the sort of violence is taking place on both sides of the fight suggesting this conflict now older than two years is less about a popular democratic uprising and more about a civil war fueled by sectarian violence that includes sectarian divisions within the syrian opposition itself and yet it's this war that the white house and a group of senators now want to pick a side in to begin providing lethal assistance to. now this is where the war stands today the areas in blue represent areas under control of the syrian opposition there is an orange are under control of

we asked a representative sample of the american public these questions. 48% of the american public thought the day were always rational. only 32% of their friends were always rational. and that rather proves the point. i is a politician when i make this point had asked commensurately think you you are always rational. and i say no. have you ever fallen in love? have you ever made a mistake for being tired? we all have. all humans have. we need to pace the management of the economy on that knowledge. so let me ask a second question. imagine you're given a choice between a certain game and the chance to campbell for more. for example, if i offer you a 50/50 chance of a thousand dollars but an equal chance of walking away with nothing, who would choose to take the risk? that's very telling. in this instance, 8% of the american public said they would take the gamble, even though the expected value of the gamble is higher. then to demonstrate risk aversion, we changed the game around so you either lose $450 for sure or you can do without the chance of losing a thousand dollars and have the chan

the course of this highly political trial and we want to know what the contract terms were the american public has a right to know about any miscarriage of justice and possible violation of the law that was going on during this political trial could have tainted the outcome i mean really it's an unfair trial if that is the case and look talk about the case of the cuban five for people who don't understand is there any evidence at all to support that they were conspiring against the u.s. government well it's interesting that the u.s. government identified charges of conspiracy because they're you know there are charges that relate to. other related charges under the espionage act so that the government doesn't actually have to show that anything actually happened just that they were communicating about these so-called events and what the cubans were here to do was to defend their country essentially collect information about terrorist groups organizing in miami that have perpetrated violence bombings and have and. related to organizations that bomb for example a cuban airliner in the mid sevent

all the pharmaceutical come out of all the pharmaceuticals sold in america are generics and the american public seventy percent of the american public is on some type of medication most of that is generic but they gave the generic pharmaceutical companies a free pass to kill people there's no other way to put it you can they can kill a person they can blind them they can cause them to have brain damage neurological illnesses birth defects this supreme court said that's perfectly ok the taxpayers will take care of the problem. the victim after they've been crippled the company doesn't have any responsibility that is this corporate this corporate controlled supreme court it's the worst probably since the one nine hundred thirty s. . owned operated by the u.s. supreme court made by the u.s. chamber of commerce this is mind boggling i said this isn't and said that's an acronym for non-steroidal anti-inflammatory. drug which is which is what i asked for and tylenol and ibuprofen are this is a drug this woman took for a headache or for a fever and burgers skin off her body shoulder pain it burned six

the course of this highly political trial and we want to know what the contract terms were the american public has a right to know about any miscarriage of justice and possible violation of the law that was going on during this political trial could have tainted the outcome i mean really it's an unfair trial if that is the case and look talk about the case of the cuban five for people who don't understand is there any evidence at all to support that they were conspiring against the u.s. government well it's interesting that the u.s. government identified charges of conspiracy because they're you know there are charges that relate to. other related charges under the espionage act so that the government doesn't actually have to show that anything actually happened just that they were communicating about these so-called events and what the cubans were here to do was to defend their country essentially collect information about terrorist groups organizing in miami that have perpetrated violence bombings and have and. related to organizations that bomb for example a cuban airliner in the mid sevent

>> i believe that the american public needs to be aware of this fact. >> right now, at 11:00, a lawmaker demanding change after our investigation reveals children working in california's fields. also, preparing for what could be a record crowd at one of san francisco's biggest parties. >> come on, really? the holiday? that's not right. >> right or wrong, swimming a a areas at dozens of bay area parks might be threatening the fourth of july. an earthquake just before 9:00 p.m. the quake was centered 8 miles south of hausista. for more on this quake and our hot forecast, let's bring in rob mayetta. >> rog, we were getting reports both on social media and coming into the news room via the phone lines. people feeling this from salina to nearly south san jose. it was just off to the south and west of the san andreas fault. notice the area from weak to light. gym and darcy, filling that quake in san martin. a quake of that size, 3.9, not being felt anywhere further north than san jose. >> it is almost t-shirt wealther at 6:00 a.m. look at lunchtime at the upper 90s. tomorrow will be day one of

in this instance 8% of the american public said they would take the gamble even though the expected valuee gamble is higher, but then to demonstrate risk aversion we changed the game around so you lose $450 for sure or you gamble with half a chance of living--losing a thousand dollars but have a chance you knew nothing and because people don't like a loss, in the second place volvo the expected value is actually higher, the gamble was found to be more attractive you could sense intuitively. 25% of the american public would choose to gamble to lose to avoid the loss where 8% would gamble to make a greater gain. this is because we are naturally inclined to gamble to avoid a loss because of the very human traits of lost love version. this could explain why in the critical period between 2006-2008 the average ratios of bear stearns and lehman brothers actually increased after the housing bubble had begun to burst. another example of irrationality is decisionmaking so casinos and big money game shows demonstrate past gains exert a powerful influence on decisions in the present even when they o

been saying for months that the government is interpreting the law in a way that would shock the american public. they haven't been free to discuss the details. but they have been saying that for months. and in terms of the courts, the only court that oversees this program is the fisa court. which is a court that meets in secret, allows only the government to appear before it. and very rarely publishes its own decisions. when we tried to challenge the constitutionality of some of the surveillance in ordinary federal court, the government said you don't have the right to be in court because you can't show that your own communications were monitored. and we're not going to tell you whether your communications were monitored. that's a state secret. so the government has been very successful, that argument actually prevailed at the supreme court earlier this year, 5-4. and the government has been very successful at keeping these kinds of programs safe from judicial review, they've been very successful at limiting congressional oversight and the result is, the only reason that we learn about any of t

whhe felt it was important to bring ito the american public. i will ask you to react on the other side, let's take a listen. >> government is going to grant themselves power unilaterally to create greater control over american society and global society, but they won't be willing to take a risk necey to stand up and fight to change things, to force their representatives to actualltake a stand in their interest. melissa: he was saying the reason why he came forward to speais because he wanted the american public to understand thgovernment was going out a just cast in this huge dragnet storing all this informatio in fact we have video of it. the huge fm in utah just together information on all of us in case at some point in the future would look to be under suspicion and even if you are innocent he can go back in time and pull all of these records every conversation you ever have and build a case against you. he says he wants american public know this is going on and then decide for yourself is it okay? he's afraid americans won't stand up and say

if you say to the american public do you like the idea of the national security agency keeping all ofr phone traffic, et cetera, the public says, no, i don't really like that so much. but if you ask the question and say, okay, is it okay for them to do this in order to stop terrorism? then the american public says, yeah, that's fine. this tells me the public needs to know more about what the government is doing because the base of this is a question of do you trust your government? the government wants to say, look, we're not doing anything unthwart or snooping on your calls as the president says. you have to lift the veil as much as they can and let the public know why they're doing what they're doing. >> we'll see if they have more to say on this. good to see you as always. a new movie centered on the life and death of president john f. kennedy in production and we're getting a first look at the a-list actor that has been tapped to play jfk. you have seen him in movie and tv shows but never played a president. he is rob lowe. in character as president kennedy you see there striking

the american public wants to know why targeting occurred and who was involved. n the lookout for those full transcripts of interviews with irs workers by committee investigators. and we have extended an offer to both men to appear on this program next weekend. >>> when we return, our missteps putting the president's second term agenda at risk? our political panel weighs in. i am an american success story. i'm a teacher. i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer. and i shop at walmart. truth is, over sixty percent of america shops at walmart every month. i find what i need, at a great price. and the money i save goes to important things. braces for my daughter. a little something for my son's college fund. when people look at me, i hope they see someone building a better life. vo: living better: that's the real walmart. [ pizza dodging man's mouth ] ♪ ♪ [ camera shutter clicks ] [ male announcer ] fight pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath fast with tums freshers. concentrated relief that goes to work in seconds and freshens

that is very telling. 8% of the american public said they would take the gamble even though the expected campbell is higher. but to demonstrate risk aversion we changed the game around see either lose $450 for sure or you gamble with have the chance to lose 1,000 but half a chance you lose nothing. in because people don't like the loss of the second case the expected value is actually higher the gamble was found to be more attractive because 25 percent of the american public would choose to gamble to avoid the loss although only 8 percent would gamble to make a greater gain. this is because we are naturally inclined to gamble to avoid a loss with the trait of loss aversion and this can explain why in the critical period between 2006 and 2008 the leverage ratio of the member others actually increased after the housing double had begun to burst another example is decisionmaking that these casinos and the big money game shows demonstrate past gains have a powerful influence on decisions made in the present it is a chemical rush from the physiology of literature a big win means a high roller

to focus on the effects of the national security agency leaks on our internet companies and the american public just to recap what we discovered last week the guardian in the washington post revealed that the n.s.a. has a program called prism which allows the n.s.a. to access mehta data from some of the biggest online companies in the world so think google apple facebook microsoft yahoo you tube a.o.l. you name it so that means that this agency can get private communications like e-mail searches chat logs and private messages all and sometimes they can do it in real time the prism program is justified under the foreign intelligence surveillance act and is designed to monitor foreigners however. many american citizens ultimately fall under its watchful eye but these internet companies deny that they give the n.s.a. to rummage through their servers so the question remains what exactly are they giving the government access to and more importantly how can we keep our data and information private to talk all things tech i'm joined now by mancini gobby he's the founder of s s p blue and he joins me f

the american public to have some ing in of monitoring communication of american , dozens and other people the american public have some right to have some idea of what is being collected? >> i think so. heart of the problem is the intelligence committee. -- part of the problem is intelligence committee. they are the only one that knows what is going on in this area. they said they have these documents for review for members of congress. otherwith a lot of doctrines. it is not made well known. there needs to be more transparency about what the nsa is doing to all members of congress sold the american people will have a better understanding of this. know him in intelligence authorization bill comes to the floor, you are going to see a healthy debate about the future of these two programs and where the nsa should be heading. >> do you plan to offer an amendment or will somebody to the authorization that would expand the availability of information to other members of congress beyond the house intelligence committee must mark -- committee? >> also, who controls this data? what contractors are

i think the first senate vote was a real eye-opener for not only the american public who realized thatgress could not be trusted to make a common sense judgment on something that seemed logical and easy and a little baby step. but that when the american public responded with such vitriol against the senate, the congress took notice. you know it is hard, i think as a member of congress to not notice your poll numbers drop spectacularly low after you take a vote against 90% of your constituents as they did for senator ayotte in new hampshire and senator flake in arizona and also senator pryer. so, it is really remarkable thing to see that the american public stood up and said we're not going to stand for this any longer. and that i think politicians in congress recognize that and are looking for a way out. >> john: as a member of moms demand action, who do you place the blame on for that bill failing in the senate to even come to a vote? >> oh, i absolutely place the blame on the gun lobby. i think it is the weakness of certain members of congress who feel that they -- they will be perse

. >> and the american public of course overwhelmingly supports this drone program according to the latest nbc poll. do you think the american public is fully aware of the issues? because it's controversial. you hear pros, you hear cons. do you think it's really on their radar, so to speak? >> i do not think so at all. usually the american public hears about drone strikes and this is the most one-sided war in history, according to an expert we spoke to today. several thousand people have been killed by drone strikes in noncombat zones and there's been no american troops involved direct directly, no one at risk. so if you ask the average american, it seems like a very easy bargain. we're killing america's enemies with no risk to american soldiers. but the question that this investigation is raising is how do we know we're only killing american enemies? who gets to make that determination and how do we know that certain that no civilians are being killed? and the documents that we've seen suggest that in about a quarter of the cases, we're not sure the specific identities of the militants wh

the number of cases where we've actually stopped a plot. i think americans will come to a different conclusion that all the misleading rhetoric i've heard over the last few weeks. >> how convinced are you that the public's privacy is not being compromised? >> i think the trouble is, we have a situation right now where when it comes to the american public's confidence in congress, it's at an all-time low. the idea that they would necessarily buy politicians telling them they have nothing to fear, is not an argument they're going to accept. however, the polls show when it comes to national security issues, when that reasoning is invoked for any particular policy, it changes the way that the american public thinks about whatever that policy is. i think it's kind of six of one, half a dozen of the other. but i don't think it will be enough to simply say, we don't have enough to worry about. not in this climate and not at this time. >> matt, one of the things that i found most interesting this morning from all the sunday shows, former vice president dick cheney saying if we had had this, 9/11 might not happen. do you buy that? >> no, not for a second. he's self-interested why 9/11 wouldn't happen. but it did

so far, we haven't seen any political fallout -- >> julie, this is about the american public. job is to uphold and execute the laws of the united states of america. we can't trust him to do it. you are passing over the a.p. situation i. i am not. i agree with you. >> he passed the buck to the deputy general and then decided to recuse and himself can't remember when. as a lawyer, i have never seen a lawyer not memmorrialize that in learning. this is confidence in the attorney general's office. if he can't do it, he has to go. >> you and i absolutely agree on the a.p. and james rosen. i am not guessing to debated with you. the question i was asked was to say whether or not eric holier is going to step down. all i am saying is that the american people have not demonstrated through polling that i have seen that they are so disgusted that it is reflecting on barack obama, his boss i. you are assuming that the american public is following this very closely, which is why you and i are talking about this. do you think the american public knows of -- [overlapping dialogue] >> apparentl

this story that i just explained is going to affect 70% of the american public is taking some type ofication. 80% of those are generic medication. the supreme court said a company can kill you cripple you, blind you, it could cause a stroke and cause blindness and neurological damage and you can't sue them. that person, that victim becomes a ward of the state. a taxpayers then have to take care of that person for the rest of their lives. the company that produced the dangerous drug knowing that it's dangerous. in the last two years i've handled cases where the generic manufacturer knew, removed the drug from the market. they had thousands and thousands of adverse event reports that showed that the product was killing people but the generic are drug makers of america kept it on the market because they were so certain that the u.s. supreme court was so wholly owned by the u.s. chamber of commerce that big business was going to win and consumers were going to lose. the numbers of generics enincreased because they knew that this roberts court has become such an extension of the chamber of

however, as he alluded to, public opinion polls disagree with that. the majority of americans do not think that we should intervene with syria. >> i think presidents have to make national security decisions based on their assessment of what american interests are. i don't think public opinion polls, frankly, ought to play any role in that at all. i think the public expects the president to act in our interest. and being driven by polls is bad enough for leadership in any area of presidential responsibility, but it can be fatal in the area of national security. i think the real question was the president thought the deal with iran over the nuclear weapons program was a higher priority than syria. as i say, i think that was wrong from the outset. but it's clear here syria is simply a part of a larger problem. and the larger problem is the regime in iran. that's the regime we need to overthrow. >> very quickly, if bill clinton had an ulterior motive if this was political moon ufrg to set up hillary clinton for 2016, is this a point of difference that she had with president obama

i think what's interesting here is i think politicians are scrambling because the american public has no set opinion on this. politicians would go the direction the wind is blowing if there was a clear direction of it. the american people seem to have sort of ambivalent feelings. >> can i suggest, grandiose criminal as a phrase. grandiose describing 29-year-old who has been frustrated every step along the way and joined the army and the people who were training him weren't sophistically dedicated to trying to make iraq a better place, they just wanted to kill arabs, in his words. he has this kind of self-importance and clearly broke the law and had other options if he wanted to spark a debate that would not make him an international celebrity fleeing the country to go somewhere else. if he's already talking about revealing that we hacked into chinese computers, what else is he planning to reveal, maybe you guys know, maybe you can't share now that the "guardian" is setting the global news agenda. i think what he's done is dead wrong. >> can i jump in here. the focus on edward snowden

i hope we're going to be able to be able to give the american public more examples of those interruptionsnd disruptions over the next several days, but the fact is that we know we've done that as a result of utilizing these tools. >> is there one that comes to mind? is there something that the public does not know yet that you can share that's actually been disruptive? >> well, the two that the nsa has talked about and they've allowed us to talk about are the nazi case that was generated out of the monitoring of phone calls under 702 initially, where we picked up on a phone call made from pakistan into the united states, and then 215 was used after that to coordinate the ultimate monitoring and arrest of nazi, who was headed to new york with backpacks loaded with bombs to blow up the new york subway system. the other incident that we've been able to talk about is the david headley case. dual citizen, u.s. and pakistani, who lived in chicago who was involved in the mumbai bombings. and those two cases did -- we did pick up information in those two cases with the use of 702 primarily, but p

is up to but what about the american public how are average americans reacting to the news of the prison program and the obama administration's actions regarding surveillance artie's chad boyle hit the streets of d.c. to find out why would you feel if the government were tapping you know i'd be very disappointed i prefer that they were reading my e-mail but as i feel like google is already reading them i don't like it but the biggest thing is about government is that governments are respect private liberties and privacy rights we have the right to privacy but if they're tapping into all of our stuff then what happened to privacy i think everything should be private it's my business and government should have any reason to be in it since i don't know exactly what they're accessing it's hard for me to know but would they be ok with the government seeing your e-mails if it was for the sake of protecting the u.s. according to a c.n.n. time poll from april of this year over forty percent of americans are willing to give up some of their civil liberties to fight terrorism in forty nine percent

we're having today are very much around the fact that we have secret courts issuing secret opinions that are not public to the that are not available to the american public and we've heard from from numerous senators including senators wyden it all that this is part of the problem in that there's a clear miss clear gap in understanding between what sort of these interpretations are and what the american public actually understands them to be you know david let me go to you in philadelphia i mean this classification thing gives the national security state power ok we have information you don't ok and they like it that way .

green light behind the scenes and then in public claiming ignorance so to a large extent the american public needs to also discuss this with their representatives in congress and say did you know about this and did you allow this and if you did why should i really like you because you told me you care about my civil liberties but you seem to be on board with it when it's politically convenient but then when we find out what really happened you suddenly back off professor we have to leave it there thank you so much that was the heart as the associate professor of law talked with number three president obama and chinese president xi jinping are embarking on a historic meeting this weekend at a remote desert retreat in southern california the world's number one and number two economies will be comparing notes but unlike other meetings between two superpowers it appears that this gathering will focus much of its attention on cybersecurity. lindo has that story. just go forth as mojave desert howling winds propelled wood mills in the scorching sun beats down on the jury is gated communitie

disorders are-is just another chronic illness or problem in the public health realm, and we want-as we move closer to health reform, we want the american public to understand that where we fit into overall health and general medicine. so we're-we need to get the message not only to parents, not only to young people, but to schools, to faith-based organizations, to communities, to businesses. every piece of america needs to understand how substance abuse and mental health fits in overall health. and arthur, there are, indeed, many aspects of that message, aren't there? i mean, you know, fran mentioned some of the audiences, but-but what other types of messages? are there issues related to discrimination and-and-and public attitudes about our field? yes, i think there are, and i think fran's comments are right on point because the reality is that substance use disorders, mental health conditions are conditions that are very prevalent and that they are very treatable, so i-i think the-the two messages are, one, that-that people who have these conditions are not abnormal in the sense-in that sense, but more importantly that there are treat