knows what they did stop whether anyone will admit it or not is not stop stop interfering in the american system stop promoting racism or racial division promoting any political candidate or party in the united states by not doing the things that were on the news now that they are doing when i came over before i came to decide i was sitting outside in a studio that had a lot of television please let me finish that had a lot of television stations on and that this very moment all over american television on many networks there are stories about what happened about the russian invasion sideburn vision of america about playing blacks against whites about trying to create tensions and it doesn't matter what lionel says it doesn't even matter what i say unless someone in the russian government is listening to it and consider what my advice to stop this stop this kind of that clearly right now are sour and the sanctions could be lifted so the sanctions could seize and with good relations between russia lionel can have all the think duce and defenses she wants it doesn't matter with anyone going there

. >> economic nationalism is what this country was built on, the american system. >> rose: hurricane irma, jonathan swan, "the deuce" and stevensteve bannon, when we con. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> glor: good evening, i'm jeff glor in miami. anthony mason is in new york. tonight one of the largest evacuations in u.s. history is reaching a critical point. more than 2.5 million people live in mandatory evacuation zones in georgia and florida and highways are jammed as people head north to escape the worst of irma. this is what the hurricane did in the caribbean, home after home destroyed. irma has sustained winds of 155 miles an hour and now the forecast models seem to agree south florida will take a brutal hit this weekend, the entire state may face hurricane-force winds. late today, the national weather service tweeted "this is as real as it gets. nowhe

what you were saying, your family and talk about this being an attack on the institution and the american system. the speaker: i am a strong person of faith. as catholics, we don't wear it on our sleeves. but our prayers have been answered to read we prayed for steve and his family, for crystal and dave, who are friends of ours. we all know each other. and i also prayed for the country. obviously, i think the person was mentally disturbed, but to take political emotions and beliefs and turn it into that is an awful thing. and we have a lot of anxiety and a lot of polarization and i think to witness the bipartisanship that occurred right then and after, i think it's a good example to follow. i still think about that picture of the democrats praying in the dugout when they were doing their practice and that is the example that ought to be set to read which is that we have differences, but let us keep them in check, treat people with respect, pray for each other. out of these tragedies, good things can come from it and that is a prayer that has been answered as well. and there is a lot to be thankf

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the ros roosevelts. a system that lends to manufacturers. okay? in the control of our borders. economic nationalism is what this country was built on. the americanright? we go back to that. we look after our own. we look after our citizen, we look after our manufacturing base and guess what? this nation is going to be more united and more powerful than it's ever been. this is not astrophysics. and, by the way, that's every nationality, every race, every sexual preference, as long as you're a citizen of our country. as long as you're an american citizen, you're part of this populous economic nationalist movement. charles: former white house chief strategist steve bannon breaking down his definition of economic nationalism, just one of many components of what i'm calling the bannon doctrine. bannon double down on other pillars of that so-called doctrine, including draining the swamp, ending daca, and full throated full-time 100% support of president trump, particularly for those who work with and for him. join me now to discuss, former director for mitt romney elizabeth is with us as well. and ford o'connell chairman and washington exterior contri

system. he thinks the american class system is more solid than the british class system. >> you mean more rigid? >> more rigid, sorry. we don't like to talk about it in the united states. >>. they have a queen in england or something? [laughter] it would be hard to have a class system less rigid when there is one hereditary leader. >> look at what is going on. [laughter] >> edit that out, please. >> he does talk about the top 20% as being the dream winners. right now, this all sounds great. hoarder. this guy must be angry at things. >> when you look at society today, he says silicon valley has this notion technology is open and anybody can walk in and you don't have to go to college anymore. you can play on the internet. it's not exactly how it works. .> being a billionaire is hard not that i would know. [laughter] >> you work for some. >> i have a couple friends. it is not just about being around technology. all of us were born around where there were 18 with her tracks. that does not mean we can all drive and 18 with her truck. truck.heeler when i needed information or needed to write stuff,

what built america is called the american system from hamilton to polk to henry clay to lincoln to the roos vellets. a system of protection of our manufacturing, financial system that lends to manufacturers, okay, and the control of our borders, the american system now. it's mott that we're not anti-immigration. in fact, donald trump works with tom cotton and senator purdue to come up with the raise act that shows you what we want is an immigration system that benefits america, that's merit-based that can assist and help america and its industry. it's not we're anti-immigration. we're for citizens of the country, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference. the people who have been eviscerated by illegal immigration have been hispanic and black working class in this countryccountry. that's the power of trump and his campaign. trade and illegal immigration are two sides of the same coin crushing the worker. the trade deals just bring the power of cheap international labor from its point of origin. illegal immigration is just bringing that foreign labor to the united state

what built america's called the american system, from hamilton to polk to henry clay to lincoln to theoosevelts. a system of protection of our manufacturing, financial system that lends to manufacturers, okay, and the control of our borders. economic nationalism is what this country was built on. the american system, right? we go back to that. we look after our own. we look after our citizens, we look after our manufacturing base, and guess what? this country's going to be greater, more united, more powerful than it's ever been. and it's not-- this is not astrophysics, okay? and by the way, that's every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference. as long as you're a citizen of our country, as long as you're an american citizen, you're part of this populous economic nationalist movement. >> rose: can i remind you, a good catholic, that cardinal dolan is opposed to what's happened with daca. cardinal dolan. >> bannon: the catholic church has been terrible about this. >> rose: okay. >> bannon: the bishops have been terrible about this. by the way, you know why? you k

soviet media has said much about the american way of life and its portrait of america is a dark one. it is designed to convince the soviet people that our social systemanything but desirable. it emphasizes violence, drug abuse, unemployment and overall exportation of the american people by the government. average soviet citizen has no alternative source of information about the united states, the soviet version is probably accepted at face value. the soviet people, however, seem to be curious about america, and impressed i it's material success -- impressed by its material success. last year, a lengthy article was published titled "incurable disease," which dealt with u.s. bank failures. moscow was saying 40 million americans were "literally starving," while a select group of capitalist continued to get richer. moscow celebrated the fourth of july last year by assuring viewers that "america is the quintessence of an unjust capitalist system that keeps millions of families living below the official poverty line. " the unemployed are described as being deprived of the right to work, while moscow television shows film of locked factory gates and people

examples would include the jim crow system of racial segregation, the american south or the system of apartheid in south africa. now, there are some critics that claim white separatism is little more than a facade adopted by white supremacists to make their goals seem more publicly acceptab acceptable. by claiming to be separatists, so-called white nationalists can present their aspirations in a way not unlike other ethnic separatist movements around the world today such as tibetan independence movement. so by cloaking their aspirations in the verbiage of self-determination white separatists feel that their movement is seen as more legitimate. so let me give you some historical background on the white separatist movement. the 1960s was a time of great social upheaval in america. the vietnam war polarized the nation, it spawned a counterculture, the civil rights movement reached its zenith. eventually jim crow was dismantled in the south. there were vigilante groups such as the ku klux klan that resisted the civil rights movement, but ultimately they failed. so urban rest, convulsed ma

. >> economic nationalism is what the country was built on, the american system. we go back to that, look after our own, our citizens, after our manufacturing base and this country will be greater, more united and powerful than it's ever been. this is not astrophysics. that's every nationality, race, religion, every sexual u are part of this populistn,e a economic nationalist movement and, by the way, that's 65, 70% of the country and we will get that. >> sharapova, tough mudder and steve bannon when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: maria sharapova is here. she is a five-time grand slam tennis cham champion. one to have the world's most recognizable athletes, ranked number one five different occasions in her career. 2016 she was suspended from competition for two years after testing positive for banned substance. the co

relations is to stop it stop whether anyone will admit it or not is not stop stop interfering in the american system stop promoting racism or racial division promoting a political candidate or party in the united states by not doing the things that were on the news right now that they are doing one question what is the what is the best evidence you have to take all the time you want the best evidence you have of anything that you have attempted to accuse russia of you know the senate intelligence committee democrats and republicans the f.b.i. every law enforcement agency every cattle intelligence agency in america many many and most republican senators and republican members of congress republican and i'm a liberal democrat republican agree with every word i just said about what russia has done i'm trying so hard to play along i swear to you i'm not trying to be don i don't understand if. somebody want to pay an ad for black eyes matter and if the boycott whatever it is so what if they were to buy an ad that is on the news already how is the russian bought story somehow worse deeper affecting people

repeal and replace obamacare with something that works as the democrats fought to impose this on the american system>> jon: i thought reconciliation, i thought that window closed with the new fiscal year in october. >> we will pass another budget for fiscal year 2018, the assumption has always been we are going to do health care under fiscal year 2017 and then turn our attention to tax reform but we can do both. it makes it a little more complex but it's certainly doable. senator graham and i are both attempting to do both. >> jon: it sounds like you are planning on doing some kind of legislation with no democrat votes, is that your plan? >> from my standpoint, if this doesn't get past and my preference is to pass this this week, we rejected democrats and see if they are serious about fixing a mess they created. premiums have doubled nationally because of obamacare is faulty architecture. if they are serious about this, absolutely. we've had 60 some senators participate, they had very good discussions. we will certainly give democrats every opportunity to help us fix mess and it's a big mess. they a

. >> economic nationalism is what this country was built on the american system right?to that. we look after our own. we look after our citizens we look after our manufacturing base and guess what this curch y is going to be greater than its ever been. every nationality, every race every religion every sexual preference as long as you are a citizen of this country, as long as you are an american citizen you are part of this populist american movement by the way that is 65, 70% of this country. that's we'll get that. sure brown gets this, tim gets this the people around schumer get this, they're trying to get the identity politics out, they're trying to run, the only thing around us is it a left wing or right wing populism and that's a question that will be answered in 2020. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> rose: sharl cro sheryl croa nine time grammy winner over her 25 yie career. -year career. the album is called be myself. >> many times on stage i've talked about every day is a winding road, which was out, say, 20, 23 years ago, was a younger person looking at the road ahead. and there is a

let's go back to the last democratic president is it for me well there are the two party system is starting to fail the american worker number one the two party system right now is failing the middle class in this country we basically have two americas the haves and the have nots the stock market's going nuts that means the haves are down a heck of a lot better there have been wages are being depressed wages are not getting better laura people are working harder and longer just to pay the bills discretionary spending my family's in this country is off and if that's the kind of america you want you want to concentrate the wealth then go right ahead and do it but it's just going to be a pushback by the people some day and part of that pushback was bernie sanders campaign that was railroaded by the established and should we be spending money on what you're talking about rather than creating a new war with russia a new cold war with russia absolutely bring all our resources the way back into their scrap we've done for my entire adult life because i can honestly sit here and tell you i'm from the year of duck to cov

we should give them a jury because that's how the american system works. and i think the punishment for burning the flag should be one year of patriotic class and history of knowing how many americans have died for that flag. and in fact, i think if one burns a flag, they should be able to sit in a classroom and hair every american from the revolutionary war that died until today that died for the flag. host: appreciate the call, michael. we mentioned president trump's tweet from last november. an interesting study on the value of a trump tweet. this coming in jennifer harper's inside the beltway column today in the "washington times." she notes a report from bloomberg news. without donald trump, twitter could lose a fifth of its value. that's the conclusion with their analyst james cakmak. - host: jack is in hixon, tennessee, line for republicans. jack, is it illegal to burn the american flag? caller: well, first, amen to the caller from hopkinsville, kentucky. excellent caller. two observations. if burning the flag is speech, free speech, what would happe

president trump's priorities, they are the american people's priority is for decades now immigrants and us-born asked congress to establish the immigration system that protects the country and they've asked for strong secure borders and to protect american security and american jobs and to have compassion not only for those that are here illegally that unemployed american but unemployed american citizens including millions of unemployed african-american and hispanic citizens who continue to suffer under the broken system. the president's decision today brings us closer to a safer, fair and legal immigration system now that he is in this constitutional program and posed by the previous administration the president is calling on the men and women in congress to fulfill their duty to the american people by reforming the immigration system for the good of all people and with that i will take your questions. >> the questions that went on answered today are some 359 that enlisted in 2016 in the standard for years but the status was the last two years if there is no fixed by congress before march 5 do you know what will happen, will they become inelig

in this let's go back to the last democratic president for me well they're the two party system is starting to fail the american worker number one the two party system right now is failing the middle class in this country we basically have two americas the haves and the have nots the stock market's going nuts that means the habs are down a heck of a lot better there have been wages are being depressed wages are not getting better laura people are working harder and longer just to pay the bills discretionary spending my family's in this country is off and if that's the kind of america you want you want to concentrate the wealth then go right ahead and do it but it's just going to be a pushback by the people some day and part of that pushback was bernie sanders campaign that was railroaded by the established and should we be spending money on what you're talking about rather than creating a new war with russia a new cold war with russia absolutely bring all our resources away back into their scrap we've done for my entire adult life because i can honestly sit here and tell you i'm from the air of duck to cover it

relations is to stop it stop whether anyone will admit it or not is not stop stop interfering in the american system stop promoting racism or racial division promoting any political candidate or party in the united states by not doing the things that were on the news now that they are doing when i came over right before i came to describe i was sitting outside in a studio that had a lot of television please let me finish that had a lot of television stations on and that this very moment all over american television on many networks the owner stories about what happened about the russian invasion sideburn vision of america one question what is the what is the best evidence you have take all the time you want the best evidence you have of anything that you have attempted to accuse russia of one bit just anything what is it you know the senate intelligence committee die. kratz and republicans the f.b.i. every law enforcement agency every cattle intelligence agency in america many many and most republican senators and republican members of congress republican and i'm a liberal democrat republican agree

disappearance. >> senator and former presidential candidate bernie sanders wants to overhaul the american healthcare systemhe's get something support prof. new jersey senator cory booker announced yesterday that he would co-sponsor the bill that would guarantee everyone in the country is covered by health insurance. senators elizabeth warren and kamal harris have also said that they will support the bill. sanders plans to unveil the legislation tomorrow. >>> hillary clinton's new memoir hits stores today. in the book titled "what happened." the 2016 presidential nominee relives her stunning defeat to donald trump. in it clinton admits to some mistakes but also defends her campaign strategies. lines are already forming outside one of the new york city stores where clinton will hold her first book signing today. we sip, we peel, -and we slide! -whoo! nah. like this. grab a large or extra large freshly ground, freshly brewed hot coffee for your chance to win. get your celebration ready. dunkin' donuts. this is coffee. this is winning. dunkin' donuts. this is coffee. >> "action news" spoke with a local radio d

system that you can't exclude russia from europe from considerations of u.s. policy. you also can't overlook the fact that russia very actively has tried to interfere with the american political system, the political systems of our european partners and allies, and has really fundamentally different views and interests in the world. >> if you could any sentence or phrase, our relationship with china are what? >> our relations, the relations of the two great powers of the world at this point. the united states is clearly supreme in military power in the world, we are the dominant political force, although we damaged ourselves by withdrawing from the paris agreement. we are a big economic rival, i think that her interests are sufficiently different, but we will -- we will continue to be rivals in a lot of areas. i think there are areas to cooperate. >> how do the chinese leaders view president trump? >> i think they are still uncertain, they've gotten a little bit of measure of him, but i think they are probably looking forward to the next meeting. mar-a-lago was early incomes tenure -- in trump's tenure, but i think they wait for the next meeting, which i understand is coming

to this to make sure that whatever your regime is, and of course you were not elected like the american system remove you from power. how you do that is the crucial thing and the more belligerent talk there is one trump, it becomes more difficult to get that. it's interesting to see the effect it has had on japan. you interesting to see the effect it has had onjapan. you look at the country, and whatever you think of the geopolitics of those nations, they are now looking out for the first time they have raised the possibility of installing pre—emptive missile capacity. that isa pre—emptive missile capacity. that is a really big dealfor a country that constitutionally has been disinclined to do anything like that since the second world war. it's a really big change and of course, they are now having drills in a way that it must be very terrifying for the population, and there is a guardian story about this today. they have 600,000 northern koreans living injapan, a lot of them descendants of former prisoners and the tension being caused in the country itself between those two groups, is it is h

system, you cannot exclude russia from europe from considerations of u.s. policy, but you also cannot overlook the fact that russia very actively has tried to interfere with the american political system, the political system of our european partners and allies and has a fundamentally different view of an interest in the world. host: if you could phrase relations with china right now, they are what? guest: our relations, the relations of the two great powers in the world, while the u.s. is still the supreme power in the world, we are the dominant medical force but we damaged ourselves by withdrawing from the paris agreement. we have big economic rivals. i think our interest are sufficiently different and we will continue to be rivals and competitors but they are similar enough that i think there are lots of areas to cooperate. host: how do the chinese leaders view president trump? guest: i think they are still uncertain. they have gotten a little measure of the guy, but i think they probably are looking forward to the next meeting, the was early in trump's 10 year. i think they have a better sense of what his priorities are, how to deal with them, but i think they hav

in the us works welcome to the american legal system mr putin has apparently met the legal system that in the united states. is between moscow and washington are up for discussion and not. with russia's new envoy to the un you can watch the full interview throughout the day here on out international president he was campaigning in the show about the words he promised to deliver all improving u.s. russia relations but unfortunately due to many reasons i will not emulate them or or judge them he was not able to do so many countries privately and openly say that too much depends on their little ations and it's not appropriate their solo these days. they should be improved and that will be for the best for the better of the world i'm committed to improving these relations working together for the better of the world working together with the united states another part of this of course to counsel an outside the security council i hope that step by step will lead us there if we see the the movement. in the the the movement on the other side

i was educated in the american system. i am almost 60 years old. things that have happened in my life, id just watching have understood that more. this helped me understood more. i watched the twin towers get hit just like everybody else did. i apologize. it is a little emotional. were in school up. my mother was watching. she took walks in new york city's toward downtown every day. i worried like everybody else did about where their family was. i said to myself, please don't be somebody chinese. to my did mention that sister. she is four years older than me. i am the youngest. ok, that is just me but i just think that is -- >> no, it is reasonable. it is perfectly a reasonable reaction. the ironic thing of course about 2001 and 9/11 is that the world trade center was designed by a japanese-american architect and the secretary of transportation who made the order not to do racial profiling was a japanese-american who had been in the camps as a young man and had learned about racial profiling from that and he was influential in helping me bush admini

the issue of our american counterparts didn't let russia use its property it's a violation of property rights i will tell the foreign ministry to go to court we'll see how well the highly praised she dishes system in the u.s. works welcome to the american legal system mr putin has apparently met the legal system that in the united states. new ambassador to the u.s. on a chilly. u.s. president. part of that see him officially recognized as moscow's representative in washington i'm joined by senior who's in washington has been following the meeting syria tell us more. well a much anticipated meeting between russia's recently appointed ambassador to the u.s. and u.s. president donald trump has taken place anatoly antonov as well as other as twelve other ambassadors presented diplomatic credentials to president meaning they are now officially recognized as representatives of russian interests antonov predecessor was constantly targeted by the western media portrayed in a negative light over a number of allegations given the controversy surrounding the previous diplomat they are now many speculations around the new figure and as with all u.s. russia meetings this one also attracted media attention e

what built america is called the american system. the catholic church had been terrible about this.hey need illegal aliens. they need illegal aliens to fill the churches. they have an economic interest. they have an economic interest in unlimited immigration. unlimited illegal immigration. >> the country discovered another thing about steve bannon, he seems to prefer to wear multiple shirts at the same time. bannon wore a black shirt over what appears to be a black polo shirt and it's topped off with a black blazer. the question, was it especially cold when they taped the "60 minutes" interview or does steve bannon always dress like a 19th century shoemaker? face cream. it's realizing beauty doesn't stop at my chin. roc®'s formula adapts to delicate skin areas. my fine lines here? visibly reduced in 4 weeks. chest, neck, and face cream from roc®. methods, not miracles.™ tempur-pedic helps there ayou get the most day... out of every one of them. only proprietary tempur material precisely conforms to your body. you get up to twice as much pressure relieving power, so you won't toss an

works welcome to the american legal system mr putin has apparently met the legal system that in the united states. russia's new and buster to the u.s. on a chilly. u.s. president. part of for moet so you don't see him officially recognized schools representative in washington for more that i'm joined by a similar account in washington who's been following the meeting. through a cold maybe but any meeting. between u.s. and russian officials make headlines bring us up to date with the story of the day . well russia has recently appointed ambassador to the u.s. met with u.s. president donald trump. the meeting just finished anatoly and as well as twelve other ambassadors met to discuss diplomatic ties and also presented diplomatic dentals which means he's now officially recognized as a representative of russian interests. predecessor was targeted by the western media constantly they portrayed him in a negative light over a number of allegations given the controversy surrounding the previous diplomat there are now many speculations over the new figure as with all u.s. russia meetings this one

works welcome to the american legal system mr putin has apparently met the legal system that in the united states. new to the u.s. . u.s. president donald trump part of see him officially recognized as moscow's representative in washington we're joined live by a similar account who's in washington has been following the meeting tell us how many details emerged about it. well today new russian ambassador to the u.s. anatoly met with president in a friendly manner apparently at the white house seeks to build closer relations with the u.s. and he actually agreed with president trump to continue the partnership between moscow and washington which is quite a positive shift from the rhetoric we've been hearing from both sides lately improve relations between the two countries seem even more promising considering antonov was a key member of the russian team who worked on the two thousand and nine two thousand and ten new start treaty which was a nuclear arms reduction agreement but let's take a closer look at his background. we did what we could to improve our relations with the u.s. unfortunatel

american colonists -- colonists -- columnists worked full time. the navy and other branches of the military refused. the army permitted japanese-american citizens to prove their loyalty by volunteering for the army. in the process, the parole system allowed japanese-americans who had been properly approved to get out of the camp. he made a speech or a public statement declaring that americanism is primarily a matter of the mind and the heart. americanism is not and never was a matter of race or ancestry. some months later, he publicly pledged to let oil japanese-americans returned to their old areas on the west coast as soon as the military situation permitted. by the beginning of 1944, his advisers agreed that the state of the war in japan -- the vetting of the japanese-americans in the camps, there was no reason to keep the japanese in the west coast. the president ordered the exclusion maintained. they wanted to promote assimilation. roosevelt delayed his approval of opening up the camps and letting japanese-americans back. after november of 1944, in the election six months later. fdr deserves a certain amount of scrutiny, not because he hated japanese-americans, he had a humanitarian interest. he had an indifference. he did n

congressional budget office or carefully measured to find out what impact it would have on the american healthcare system which accounts for 16 of the american national economy. here is what we know of the cassidy and graham proposal. what they are suggesting is eliminating subsidies that help individuals pay for private health insurance and bringing to a halt the medicaid expansion covering millions of americans giving them health insurance but they say instead something that has been said many times on the floor, give all the money to governors and they will figure it out, how to save money in their states. turns out the governors of both political parties warn us if you give us a set amount of money is the cost of healthcare continues to grow, don't expect us to cover as many people or provide coverage if we do it on a state-by-state basis so who supports this new cassidy graham approach and who opposes it? every single medical advocacy group, hospitals, doctors, nurses all across america oppose cassidy graham approach as well as medical advocacy groups. they understands our approach allows discrimina

. >> it's one of the tragedies of the american system that presidents feel they need to be reelected legacy, that the first election wasn't a fluke. >> the republicans, what a difference a year makes. 365 days ago, president's bush's record was at an all-time high. >> people believed we had four more years, the economy was in recession. >> in little rock, arkansas, governor bill clinton makes it official. clinton says president bush is out of touch with americans because he favors the rich at the expense of the middle class. >> i believe that together we can make america great again. >> bill clinton provers early on to understand the major as a rule vulnerability of george w. bush and that is the economy. >> americans compete for a jobs and it's a sure debt unemployment will be growing again by election day. >> 83,000 jobs gone. >> i know the pain up here, i've heard about the lost tons and shattered lives. we had won the koerld war, i thought instead of putting all these countries abroad first, it was time we started looking out for our own country and ounce own people. all these thi

there is something about the american system of government. there is a lot of opportunities to participate. steve: just because the lobbying goes on, what evidence have you got that it changes outcomes? >> well, so let's start with that. why do they listen in the first place? well, they listen because lobbyists have expertise and knowledge about the subjects on which they're lobbying on, that they make compelling public policy argument, arguments grounded in research and analysis, and on the staffer end, the staffers are taking the meetings, not the members themselves, lot of staffers on the hill are quite young, quite inexperienced, working incredibly hard and the lobbyists are helping them. they're helping them to come up with ideas for public policies, for legislation that their boss might want to introduce. they're helping to understand complicated issues and in the process of helping them, they're shaping their perspective. if you hear -- steve: the companies are shaping the policy, they're not just commenting on it. they're -- >> they're