today we will talk with the director of the archdiocese and restorative justice. we provide people affected by crime, victims and offenders within our communities support to heal through prayer, prevention, intervention and guidance. stay with us and we will learn of the meaning of restorative justice and what the archdiocese doing two teach it and practice it. >>> hello and welcome. julio escobar is the director of the office of restorative justice ministry. >> yes. i coordinate the ministry named restorative justice. >> you told me a couple of things. one is that you and your ministry is called ministry. you don't call it an office or bureau or program. the second thing you do and insisted on informing me is that it is a ministry of president. help us understand those things. >> when i say presence i mean we need to be present when we meet people and have a congregation with people we can be offender or victim. we need to be present and be accompanying families in the process of their journey in recovery whether there inside a prison or jail or it is a person tha

april 23rd is the start of an archdiocese and wide dialogue. and collective thought process around care for creation. what we are doing in the bay area. we should be leading and a leading model for archdiocese across the country and elsewhere. we need to get going. april 23rd is meant to be the start of that. it is the morning. saturday, april 23rd. it is a free event. you do need to register in advance on our website sfarch.org/green. and we will have trent spanish translation for those who need it. we are excited to have the archbishop of identification for the event, before we hear from our keynote reverend dr cummins will simmer just parish in fairfax. he will focus on the spirituality connections of laudato si in our church and in our faith lives. after that we will hear a plenary panel case studies from the archdiocese, including my own in san francisco. what is happening. what are some models that we want to be getting out there and having a group discussion around that. then we will roll up our sleeves and get our hands dirty with three

. >>> the new restrictions in san francisco prompted displeasure from the city's archdiocese. places of worship are among the list of indoor activities that are now suspended or must move outside. the archdiocese tweeted, quote, this is precisely the kind of blatant discrimination to which the supreme court gave injunctive relief in new york. the government is demoting worship to the same status as watching a movie, quote, nonessential. that's because the supreme court intervened this past weekend allowing indoor worshipping in new york state. we continue to track the development of covid-19 and its impacts across the bay area. if you want to see where things stand go to our website, nbcbayarea.com. >>> and at 7:09 we do have metropolitan more ahead on "today in the bay." we take you to our live weekly conversation with chuck todd who has a preview of this week's "meet the press." >>> plus, it's something so many of us have been using since the start of the pandemic, zoom. new warnings for users, what criminals are hoping you fall for and the red flags you need to be aware of.

. >> the new restrictions in san francisco prompted an unhappy response from the city's archdioceses places of worship are among the list of activities that are now suspended. the archdioceses tweeted, quote, this is precisely the kind of blatant discrimination to which the supreme court gave injunctive relief to new york. the government is demoting worship to the same status as watching a movie, nonessential. we're continuing to track county by county. and to see where things stand in your area you can head over to our website. it's nbcbayarea.com. >>> still to come from the labs to the front lines, a covid vaccine could be weeks away from approval, but how will it get to americans? the one airline taking extreme measures to make sure doses arrive safely. and it's a mysterious monolith in the utah desert. tonight a new twist in the case. we'll explain. >>> and we're seeing another night of 30 degree temperatures around the bay area. seeing a few of those outside right now, but will there be any signs of rain ahead as we head into december? close look at those changes in the forecast

. >>> the san francisco archdioceses speaking out tonight in response to the new restrictions in san francisco. the city includes indoor worship on its list of nonessential activities that are suspended or operating at reduced capacity. the archdioceses tweeted, quote, this is precisely the kind of blatant discrimination to which the supreme court gave injunctive relief in new york. we're continuing to track the number of new cases in the bay county by county to see where things stand in your-air. head on over to our website. it's nbcbayarea.com. >>> as cases grow and hospitals begin filling up small businesses continue to suffer as well. today's small business saturday, and our christie smith found some shoppers came out today with a mission. here's a look. >> reporter: people certainly were out and about shopping today, and several people did tell us they came out specifically because they wanted to support small businesses knowing what a year it's been for them. we spoke with a couple of shop owners, and they say they've certainly noticed that, and they appreciate it. >> just have

the archdiocese runs the foster care group.will present oral arguments to the full bench including the newly seated amy coney barrett. >>> coming up next, back to our decision 2020 coverage. as we've been telling you the presidential race too close to call right now. reaction coming in from president trump and joe biden. scott mcgrew is breaking down which states are still on the line. >> uber and lyft, a live report for what it will mean for drivers and riders. but first, more results coming in. funding stem cell research, the measure is narrowly passing. as we head to break results from the other state ballot measures will be right back. today's ways of working, may work differently tomorrow. but you can work out anything with comcast business. get fast, reliable, and secure internet on the nation's largest gig speed network. flexible tools - like wi-fi you control. voice solutions that connect you from anywhere. and expert advice here, here, or even here. be fast. be flexible. bounce forward with comcast business. get starte

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese already put strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations that have previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. >>the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>that was joe khalil reporting president trump appears to be in favor of the supreme court's decision he tweeted the court's ruling yesterday morning adding happy thanksgiving. the president

the archbishop says he plans to consult with lawyers on the legal options available to the archdiocese. the new restrictions that prohibit congregations from gathering at churches in san francisco and san mateo went into effect at noon today. he said in a statement. such as gyms and movie theaters and museums. he called the move blatant discrimination and says worship is a natural and constitutional right. >>> a massive testing drive is underway in san francisco. pretest are being offer now through tuesday. as part of a collaboration between ucsf and the latino task force for the coronavirus. the plan is to test 500 people per day at each testing site for a total of 6000 by the end of the three day campaign. each person will undergo a 15 minute rapid test as well as pcr test which is more accurate but takes longer to process.>>> the surgeon general spoke out today about the possible effectiveness about the coronavirus vaccines. >> what i would hate is if we had a vaccine that could end this pandemic and people did not get it. this vaccine will have more people who have been tested than

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chris: as head of the archdiocese in the nation's capital, gregory has to deal with subjects beyond aretizenship as part of comprehensive immigration reform at a time when people crossing the border illegally still highly charged. >> anyone who denigrates the people who seek a better future, a more positive way of living for their family, to denigrate them is wrong. chris: gregory was in sixth grade when he transferred from public to parochial school. in short order, he decided to convert to catholicism and become a priest. >> i thought about becoming a priest before i thought becoming a catholic. chris: to be a priest, it would be helpful to be a catholic. >> you said exactly what my own pastor said. [laughter] if you're interested in being a priest, we've got to take this step by step. you can't steal first base. [applause] chris: this week gregory e will take a historic step, becoming the first african-american cardinal in the u.s., the rank just below the papacy in the catholic church. when we spoke last year, gregory said he was in no hurry for pope francis to change the color of h

the archdiocese of san francisco responded today to the statement that charges would be filed. >> wellbook keeper is being accused of staging an elaborate hoax and starting a fire to cover her tracks. as crime reporter henry lee tells us, she allegedly embezzled hundreds of thousands from the investment firm where she worked in the south bay. >> a year ago, the fire broke out at the investment company in downtown santa cruz. there was more to it than just a fire. >> there was a female who was inside an office tweet. >> reporter: the woman janice was a 20-year company veteran and said someone came up behind her and duct taped her eyes and mouth closed and left here with an injury to the head. but now sheriff's say the culprit has her herself. show was arrested, the 74-year- old woman, after a an investigation. she admitted to stealing from her company and making on story she had been attacked. >> she did admit to making up the whole situation. she pretty much did everything to herself. we do not have any evidence that there were co- conspirators. >> reporter: authorities said she starte

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese already put strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations that have previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. >>the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>that was joe khalil reporting president trump is happy with the supreme court's decision he tweeted out yesterday a big happy thanksgiving and then urged americans to now get together in hom

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese alreadyut strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations. previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>that was joe khalil reporting the president apparently happy with the supreme court's decision as you can see he tweeted out about the ruling yesterday morning adding happy thanksgiving and then urged am

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese already put strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations that have previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. >>the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>that was joe khalil reporting tonight president trump praised the decision in an early morning reach weight of its writing simply happy thanksgiving the president also tweeted a link to the

predecessors haddealt with mccarrick, and he wasn't going to look at it again until it came forward from the archdiocesenew york. the fact that he didn't take action before then is disturbing. >> elizabeth, a lot of people are asking what now? the american bishops are going to hold their annual meeting in a couple of weeks, and everyone says they welcome this level of transparency. do you believe the steps are being taken in the church to make sure this doesn't happen any longer? >> with so little transparency as it is, it is hard to place a lot of faith in those kinds of steps and pronouncements that things are much better nowment i think now. i think this report is a landmark. i hope it is a turning point. there are several things the church could do to ensure this doesn't happen again. there needs to be more oversight from lay people, and a way to report bishops for accountability, not just priests. and until those kinds of monumental changes happen, it is hard to see how these kinds of event will have really been forefended. >> that is ee elizabeth bruening, opinion writer for the "new york times" t

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese already put strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations that have previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. >>the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>that was joe khalil reporting president trump appears to be in favor of the supreme court's decision he tweeted the court's ruling this morning, adding happy thanksgiving in a proclamation r

>>and for the ish or religious freedom with all religions bishop to marcio says the archdiocese already put strict measures in place to keep its congregants safe. he says the state's restrictions went too far and the supreme court agreed in a majority opinion written anonymously the court said new york's religious restrictions were quote far more restrictive than any covid related regulations that have previously come before the court and the majority went on to say quote even in a pandemic the constitution cannot be put away and forgotten. >>the restrictions strike at the very heart of the first amendment's guarantee of religious liberty all 3 justices appointed by democratic presidents along with chief justice john roberts dissented justice sonia sotomayor writes quote the constitution does not forbid states from responding to public health crises, particularly when those regulations save lives. >>well as joe khalil reporting president trump appears to be in favor of the supreme court's decision he tweeted out the court's ruling yesterday morning adding happy thanksgiving and asking a

this letter was also provided to the archdiocese schools and the independent schools in san francisco and the pre-k schools as well with information encouraging catching up with routine vaccination because of that stuff. what happens back in the spring during the initial shelter in place and also encouraging vaccinations. they also were provided a list of back-to-school immunization clinics. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it. but you might just do it again. just because -- what the pediatricians are saying is the kids aren't coming in. just another blast wouldn't hurt. commissioner christian, you have a question. >> i do, thank you. are vaccines given to people who come into custody in the jail? jailhouse services does provide vaccine and we get [inaudible] given to jailhouse services to provide by vaccination. >> thank you. commissioner? >> yes. thank you for the presentation and i'm still somewhat curious about the experience in the southern hemisphere and perhaps i didn't quite hear correctly, although it sounded like you said the australian experience showed that there was

parents, it's the fact that the city can't stand the message that catholic social services and the archdiocese are sending by continuing to adhere to the old-fashioned view about marriage. isn't that the case? >> absolutely not, justice alito. the text, of course, of all of this didn't say anything like that. as the district court and 3rd circuit found, evident by evidence, piece by piece, they rejected that idea and i think justice alito the most telling fact the city is giving that entity which you're saying that we can't stand and the like, $26 million a year for foster care. i think the annual supreme court budget, one third of the annual supreme court's budget we're doing that every single year for this entity. >> the record reflects, what catholic social services has done has not denied any same-sex couple the opportunity to be foster parents and refer such a couple if they would come to them to one of the many willing agency who would do what is necessary for them, there's no realistic chance that's going to happen, but the city nevertheless is willing to cut them off from participating

so as well the archdiocese, the roman catholic diocese in addition to judaism faith.with this. as well as all of the people of faith. and remember, there were two arguments as well. there was the nonessential designation and then that unequal application that they argued rightly infringed the free exercise clause. steve: pete, isn't it great we have a lawyer right here? pete: she actually know what is she is talking about as opposed to the two of us. emily: put on my lawyer hat. pete: it's true. isn't it true that neil gorsuch amy coney barrett chiming in this is why elections matter and supreme court picks matter. steve: pete, you are leaving out chief justice john roberts sided with the dissent said cuomo was right. pete: big surprise. see how big that majority is with him. we had father gerald murphy on who is a reverend here in new york city. talking about the impact of this decision. watch. >> i salute the supreme court because they have done their duty. people have a right in this country to worship god. that should not be restricted by arbitrary limitations tha

this letter was also provided to the archdiocese schools and the independent schools in san francisco and the pre-k schools as well with information encouraging catching up with routine vaccination because of that stuff. what happens back in the spring during the initial shelter in place and also encouraging vaccinations. they also were provided a list of back-to-school immunization clinics. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it. but you might just do it again. just because -- what the pediatricians are saying is the kids aren't coming in. just another blast wouldn't hurt. commissioner christian, you have a question. >> i do, thank you. are vaccines given to people who come into custody in the jail? jailhouse services does provide vaccine and we get [inaudible] given to jailhouse services to provide by vaccination. >> thank you. commissioner? >> yes. thank you for the presentation and i'm still somewhat curious about the experience in the southern hemisphere and perhaps i didn't quite hear correctly, although it sounded like you said the australian experience showed that there was

the san francisco archdiocese sent out a statement saying "the government is demoting worship to the same status as watching a movie, nonessential, but worship is both a natural and constitutional right." indoor gyms must close for indoor operations but one on one training may continue indoors with specific ventilations within the facility. >> it's very disappointing. at the same time, the safety of our visitors and our staff is the top priority. >> reporter: thomas campbell, the ceo of the fine arts museums of san francisco, is having to speak to his staff about contacting thousands to postpone their visit, because indoor museums as well as aquariums and zoos will also have to close. >> 20,000 advance tickets, but you know, people have bought their tickets online, we have their emails, so it's logistically it takes time, but obviously we'll honor all of those. >> reporter: starting monday, san francisco will also have to follow the purple tier's curfew which means that gatherings and nonessential businesses will not be allowed between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. in san francisco, luz p

the san francisco archdiocese sent out a statement saying "the government is demoting worship to the same status as watching a movie, nonessential, but worship is both a natural and constitutional right." indoor gyms must close for indoor operations but one on one training may continue indoors with specific ventilations within the facility. >> it's very disappointing. at the same time, the safety of our visitors and our staff is the top priority. >> reporter: thomas campbell, the ceo of the fine arts museums of san francisco is having to speak to his staff about contacting thousands to postpone their visit, because indoor museums as well as aquariums and zoos will also have to close. >> 20,000 advance tickets, but you know, people have bought their tickets online, we have their emails, so it's logistically it takes time, but obviously we'll honor all of those. >> reporter: starting monday, san francisco will also have to follow the purple tier's curfew which means that gatherings and nonessential businesses will not be allowed between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. in san francisco, luz pe

this letter was also provided to the archdiocese schools and the independent schools in san franciscond the pre-k schools as well with information encouraging catching up with routine vaccination because of that stuff. what happens back in the spring during the initial shelter in place and also encouraging vaccinations. they also were provided a list of back-to-school immunization clinics. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate it. but you might just do it again. just because -- what the pediatricians are saying is the kids aren't coming in. just another blast wouldn't hurt. commissioner christian, you have a question. >> i do, thank you. are vaccines given to people who come into custody in the jail? jailhouse services does provide vaccine and we get [inaudible] given to jailhouse services to provide by vaccination. >> thank you. commissioner? >> yes. thank you for the presentation and i'm still somewhat curious about the experience in the southern hemisphere and perhaps i didn't quite hear correctly, although it sounded like you said the australian experience showed that there was a

many archbishops and priests have declared that he cannot receive the holy eucharist in their archdiocese because he is supporting abortion. that is the killing of prenatal human life. now, he's the second, if you want to call him a catholic, only the second catholic elected in the history of america as president. john f. kennedy for the record, for the record, was ardently unambiguously shamelessly proud to be pro-life and that needs to be made very, very clear. this is an outrage and this will not be taken. this is a scandal to all christians and catholics around the world. if he attempts to attend catholic mass in washington, which i presume he's going to continue to do -- host: ok. the line set aside to support others is also the line you called. you didn't vote in this last election. that's edward's case in new jersey. caller: good morning. host: you are on, go ahead. caller: pedro, actually i did vote, i just didn't cast a vote for the republicans or democrats. host: you participated in the voting process? caller: yes. host: i'm going to stop you there, we set aside this line for pu

we did not, like the catholic archdiocese, sue on strict scrutiny, equal protection, and least-restrictedwords "no law", and even with the good ruling, however, having rejected our case with the good ruling of the 5-4, like i said, it sures up our case so much greater than it was before. we didn't need any help that barrett and gorsuch has used all of these things helped us tremendously. jedediah: yeah, and pastor obviously the justification given by the governor in this case and other governors is that this could be potentially problematic for the spread of covid-19 but almost fascinated in all of this though is the arbitrary nature of these rulings. we'll look into it even more and follow these stories and thank you for bringing your perspective today. >> thank you. jedediah: still ahead the new york times slammed for their report on the killing of iran's top nuclear scientist, which highlighted iran's defense of their nuclear ambitions, joe con cha on that next. pete: we're back with quick headlines at the show we call it mini news. kobe bryant's hall of fame induction will now happen,

york city and cleveland and we have been safely open for 10 weeks just like schools throughout the archdioceseyork. we haven't had any evidence of community spread. there is a way to safely do this given how important both to the children we serve, parents we serve, to the economy, i think it is important that we're prioritizing education. jedediah: yeah you know it has been hard to find unanimous consent on anything when it comes to covid because it is so new. the vast majority of people are coming out saying schools are not super spreaders. these are not places that you're seeing that. it is quite odd decisions are made with respect to schools. i want to ask you about is did heartened families are yanking their kids out of public schools. look at the numbers right now. put it up on the screen. 31,000 less students enrolled in new york city public schools this year. 1000 students switched from public to catholic schools in new york city. what do you make of these numbers? what do you say to parents who are feeling like they don't have options because catholic schools and either forms of educa

what we know about the word dash is initial public offer. >>> and san francisco's archdiocese is respondinginst ago group of protesters who tore down the statue. >>> a record surge in u.s. coronavirus infections raises the urgency for a new relief bill. nancy pelosi still fighting for a $2.3 trillion stimulus baggage. >> this is a red alert. all hands on deck. this is an emergency of the highest magnitude. >> reporter: nearly 8 months into the pandemic, and house speaking nancy pelosi doubled down on concerns that the coronavirus is causing widespread economic damage across the nation. she urged republicans to return to the negotiating table and pass another coronavirus relief bill, urging them to move on from the 2020 election and the president's claims of widespread fraud. >> i urge our republicans to accept the facts, acknowledge the crisis and immediately come to the table to work on covid relief. >> the california congresswoman says she is holding out hope for a robust stimulus bill, but republicans say congress should work on targeted relief. >> i've never watched one leader play poli

because unlike the catholic archdiocese who stroou least restricted, we did not do that. rst amendment that congress should make no law, no law respecting the establishment of religion, which is backed up in the word of the lord. so we're standing -- biblical convictions. so what -- we have no explanation for it because they've given no reason. now we have to go through the whole process again with different wording. so through the fifth circuit court of appeals. >> gillian: we wish you the best with this. keep us up to date on the developments and we'll be tracking it. we have to leave it there. we could talk to you for the rest of the morning but we appreciate your time today. >> thank you for having me, god bless america. >> trace: one state gives businesses the lifeline in the wake of tough covid restrictions but there is a catch. the race-based program that critics call unconstitutional and what would you do if somebody knocked on your door, showed you some official looking papers and said your home was actually theirs. it is happening in the suburbs of at least one a

it's the fact that the city cannot stand the message theti catholic social services and archdiocese are sending back by continuing to adhere to the old-fashioned view about marriage.ol isn't that the case? >> absolutely not. the text of course doesn't say anything like that as the district found growing evidence by evidence and piece by piece they rejected that and the most telling fact about it t is right now the city is giving that entity $26 million a year for foster care. the annual budget is one third. we are doing that every single year for this entity. >> the record reflects what the catholic social services has done hasn't denied any couple the opportunity. the agencies that are willing to do what is nessary for them there is no realistic chance that that is ever going to happen but the city nevertheless is willing to cut them off from participation even if it means there will be foster children that will be denied the opportunity to have foster parents. that's what the record shows, isn't it? >> we areth happy to talk about the record. the reports told us if this happens this i

many archbishops and priests have declared that he cannot receive the holy eucharist in their archdioceseause he is supporting abortion. that is the killing of prenatal human life. now, he's the second, if you want to call him a catholic, only the second catholic elected in the history of america as president. john f. kennedy for the record, for the record, was ardently unambiguously shamelessly proud to be pro-life and that needs to be made very, very clear. this is an outrage and this will not be taken. this is a scandal to all christians and catholics around the world. if he attempts to attend catholic mass in washington, which i presume he's going to continue to do -- host: ok. the line set aside to support others is also the line you called. you didn't vote in this last election. that's edward's case in new jersey. caller: good morning. host: you are on, go ahead. caller: pedro, actually i did vote, i just didn't cast a vote for the republicans or democrats. host: you participated in the voting process? caller: yes. host: i'm going to stop you there, we set aside this line for purpos

the masters ever. he is tied for 5th place. looked they could have used an ark there he almost got a hole in one. jillian: almost doesn't count. steve: archdiocesendrew cuomo of new york his restrictions violate their first amendment right. next guest accuses the governor of antireligious tunnel vision. we have that story coming up next. let's be honest. quitting smoking is hard. like, quitting every monday hard. quitting feels so big. so try making it smaller, and you'll be surprised at how easily starting small can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. starting small can lead to something big. noand if you're troubledan a liby falls and bleeds,ners. worry follows you everywhere. over 100,000 people have left blood thinners behind with watchman. it's a one-time, minimally invasive procedure that reduces stroke risk-- and bleeding worry--for life. watchman. it's one time. for a lifetime. and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time. that's why td ameritrade designed a first-of-its-kind, personalized education center. oh. their award-winning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests. and it learns with you, so