hearing to consider appointing two members, terms ending september 1, 2014, to the assessment appeals board no. 1. there are two seats and for applicants. -- four applicants. commissioner elsbernd: mr. robinson. you are the incumbent. i am. i have been on the board for a while. i am a commercial real estate appraiser. my expertise is in hotels. as well as offices. commissioner elsbernd: if i could interrupt you, don is not here and i keep on putting the answer. could you tell me the difference between no. no. 1 and 4 number two? >> number one is mostly commercial properties, number two is mostly homes. i do enjoy contributing to the city. are there any other questions? commissioner elsbernd: no questions, ok. i do not see mr. gallagher here. mr. campana. >> i was here the last time that we went through this for the commercial position. [inaudible] i have the 25 years experience but it is mostly in residential. i have a certified residential position. i have done commercial, income, but my primary expertise is in residential. i am more likely to be an appropriate candidate for 2 and 7. where