the a nato alliance between between nato and the soviet union. washington struggles with budget cuts and shifts its focus to asia. what is next for the atlantic alliance? our next guest is fred kemp, president and ceo of the atlantic do council, an organization born in 1961 to foster close relations between the united states and europe. fred is an editor and the author of berlin 1961, kennedy, kruschev. >> i am a member of the atlantic counsel. >> and we are proud of it. >> the administration is in the midst of a strategic pivot from afghanistan and iraq over to asia. at the same time, there are growing calls from the political sphere and congress especially, let's pull american troops outside of europe. you think that that's a mistake. why? >> the term strategic pivot is a mistake. perhaps one moves troops outside of europe, but one has to think of the strategic pivot not of the united states, but of the west. largest economic space in the world. >> 450 million people. >> absolutely. whatever you measure, if we are pivoting, it is because it is the biggest shift of political influence and economic influence since the 18th century. from west