i also want to note the b.l.a. was unable to go after the fire department and highlighted the fact that we cannot make cost-effective improvements to modernize and improve our fire department because of prop f. it is time for the board of supervisors and the city to take that on. i want to say it is hard to comment on a 185 page b.l.a. document in one minute. we need more specificity in our add back list. thank you. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. is there anyone else? public comment is over? while. bouquet. all right. thank you. this is the last call for public items three at four. are there any other members who want to come down and change their mind greet no. public comment is close. colleagues, we will continue to move forward. public comment is now closed. madam clerk, can you call items one and tw water together? >> clerk: yes. item number 1 is proposed budget and probation ordinances appropriate in all estimated receipts and expenditures for the airport commission. the board of appeals and child support serv

like to hear from the b.l.a. >> yes. supervisors, we recommend reductions to the proposed district attorney budget totalling $419,234 in 18-19, and all of the $419,234 in recommended reductions are one-time savings. these reductions could still allow an increase of about $5.3 million or 8.4% of the department's 18-19 budget. in addition to budget recommends closing out prior unexpended encumbrances for the total savingses of $438,000 and we do not have any recommended reductions in 19-20. and we are in agreement with the department on these. >> supervisor cohen: supervisor fewer. >> superviser fewer: i have nothing. >> supervisor cohen: all right. how many cases has the district attorney brought forward? >> i will refer this on. >> supervisor cohen: perfect. thank you. >> i do not have the numbers in front of me, but it averages around 10,000. >> supervisor cohen: the last time the d.a. was here in the chamber, he didn't have the numbers with him, and they're not really published, so how do we go about getting this inform

the b.l.a. believes this position is budgeted for next fiscal year. does that give enough time for you and your lawyers to address a staffing issue in the future? i actually think that there's a lot of credence to the argument made. you're asking for three positions. is that right? >> i am. >> supervisor cohen: i think that the b.l.a. made recommendation of denying one. maybe we put it on reserve and come back and revisit it. i don't know what the exact is. i do think that it's like -- you know when you buy goldfish and you got to put if in the water and you put if in a bigger tank. you know what i'm talking about dennis? >> i'm listening. >> supervisor cohen: for the rest of the folks who have kids. you can't take a goldfish and introduce it into the new environment otherwise it goes in shock. >> you raised a valid point. some january 1, my one lawyer will be introduced and they're not going to have any transition what so ever. there's no walk up what so ever. they're going to have to hit the gr

my motion was to accept the b.l.a.'s recommendations with the exception of putting the 3 million on reserve. >> supervisor cohen: with the exception? >> supervisor yee: right. >> supervisor cohen: with the exception of putting the 3 million on reserve, so you do not want it on reserve. >> supervisor yee: yes. >> supervisor cohen: seconded by supervisor fewer. >> supervisor cohen: can we have a roll call vote. [roll call] >> clerk: there are two ayes, three knows, with supervisor stephanie, sheehy and cohen in the dissent. >> supervisor cohen: very well. that means that the item does not pass, that we accept the recommendations, and that this item -- i will make a motion that we keep this item on reserve. all right. can we take that without objection? we have a second? supervisor sheehy has indicated a second, and so the motion passes unanimously. thank you. all right. [please stand by for captioner switch] >> supervisor cohen: we're going to take public comment on items four and five. >> no problem. do you want to hear

the b.l.a. report was shared. we were part of the group that was in agreement. i want to take a brief moment to thank the mayor's budget office as well as the legislative analyst. the entire team. and of course members of the budget committee. i am here to answer any additional questions the committee may have. >> fantastic. the mayor added a million dollars in baseline funding for out of school time for eth let r athletics. this is great. i want to make sure the granting organizations are well distributed. no committees that don't have access to programs. start there and i have a few questions. start there about the strategy on laying out the additional million dollars. >> sure. so thank you for the question. we are very fortunate that mayor farrell was able to allocate additional funds into our budget to support athletics program through our two-year process, we've heard from parents and from young people about the need for more recreational activities in the city. we are grateful that the mayo

and i am prepared to cut the $1.3 and the b.l.a. made a recommendation and i will be basing my decision on how you respond and you are already winning. i love that color. and what do these add that the existing study does not? >> this is really on the ground work. and people that heard from the firms and the request for qualifications and the risk factors and the construction and this is a complex urban environment and would want to push down the construction costs as much as possible. and the way we take risk out of this project is by understanding that and quantifying that to the providers that also allows them and the project plan and that is why it's so important and will also normalize the bids that receive to fairly compare them against the baseline. >> all right. and is this project manager position in addition to the existing project manager? >> right now that position is unfilled. so we would need to evaluate the resources on this. >> supervisor cohen: and we can just take it until you get a little closer to figure out what

the b.l.a. actually suggests that if you were to move certain sworn staff to a different rotation that we could actually -- it would result in 66 full-time equivalent positions at no additional cost. and i think that your -- you agreed specifically with the recommendation, saying that you would have to meet and confer, and i understand that. but also in 2012, you moved 503 sworn officers from a five-hour shift to an eight or nine hour shift, and i think my husband might have been one of them, resulting in 16,000 additional officer days in each. so my question is it is impossible to look at this budget without looking at this audit report of efficiency and use of police officers and also how the schedule -- and they even recommend not even going to an eight-hour shift, which i know is a really hard thing for cops, but to switch, actually, to a ten-hour, four-day-on, three-day-off kind of shift which would free up more officers and give you more coverage. so my question to you is have we explored t

we are in agreement with the b.l.a. policy recommendation and i am here to answer any questions you might have about the budget. >> we recommend reductions totalling $75,000 in 2018-2019. they are all one-time savings. the reductions would increase of 37.6% of the 18-19 budget. in addition, as she mentioned, it will be recommended to place on reserve and depending the results to dedicating the funding of cultural districts and also we recommend closing out prior unexpended at $154,688 which with one-time savings of $200,000 for total general funds savings and we do not recommend that with $3,100,000 on budget and finance reserve for the second year. and with the>> supervisor cohen: and i understand that supervisor f fewer has detailed questions with the office of mayor's and can you give me the exact office? this is mayor's office and it is a bit fluid. that number is dependent on how the mayor's office allocates among approximately 40 budget and funded for the mayor's administration and it is a choice for mayoral admini

so, the b.l.a. and the b.l.a.'s report suggested that actually this position wouldn't come into full potential or capacity until fiscal year 2019-2020. so, why would you need to upgrade it to a manager five position now when actually the supervision doesn't actually require a position that high? >> we need to fill the position right now because currently i'm actually doing portions of the work trying to set up everything that needs to be done to create a new permit center. we started the work and building the work at vaness. we're working with 11 different departments that will have permitting center operations there. we've been doing extensive work with the controllers office and we need the manager to begin really taking charge of that and planning for the future and somebody who's going to be responsible for it. that person is not only helping us finish working out the physical layout, developing the new system and work with treasury and tactical office for cashiering, developing new system changes to help those

let's -- i don't know if the b.l.a. -- or let me let the chief respond and then we'll hear from the b.l.a. >> thank you. so i have -- to save time, i'm going to go to director mcguire and commander walsh on these costs because we don't -- we don't agree with the costs as presented, so turn it over. >> supervisor cohen: okay. >> supervisors, the budget request is 2 million in the first year and 1 million in the second year, dearrivrived by t actual purchase and training, that we don't have the funds to train officers as we roll them out. essentially, my understanding with respect to the training costs that are itemized here, is that this is salary's cost. ultimately, it could be represented as overtime. we wouldn't necessarily run our trainings on overtime, but again, we're not asking for additional budget to pay officers to train. they're already paid, and we would assign them or detail them to the training as appropriate. and i'm happy to answer anymore questions about the details of the cost analysis. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. supervisor fewer? >> supervisor fewer: yes. [inaudible

i was suggesting the b.l.a. cuts, i was suggesting one year of a police class moving forward, and the second one, putting that on a reserve pending a civilian analysis that would come back to us in november for a final decision to be made on whether or not a second class can be -- a second academy class should be authorized. >> supervisor yee: and is there any reason why we need to put it on reserve versus just if we find that we absolutely need another class, we can fund it next year? >> supervisor cohen: i'm going to pivot to the budget. i believe that we -- i believe that we can. miss kirkpatrick, i think the question just -- this is a process question. i think the question is -- is that we approve one, and if we figure that we need another one based on the analysis, we can just add it. >> great question. so it is a choice. i mean, if you choose to reject the class, that many is realized as savings. you would then have to come up with additional funding the second year to fund that second class. the class is a

i want to go to the b.l.a. hear if this is customary practice practice in the city and county of san francisco. what reason are you making these recommendations? >> as we identified in the budget. it was a position we had some concern about. only find it was a previously filled position at that level. it is more than the 15% threshold to our understanding. again, because it is a filled position, we understand -- we have made this a policy matter rather than actually recommendations. >> supervisor cohen: one more time. last part drifted off. >> we recognize this as a filled position. this is a long standing practice the city department, sometimes they'll be identified positions in the budget that we don't think are necessarily the best appropriate use of the position are most appropriate use of the position. when we find out they've been actually temporarily exchanged during the course of the year and are filled and we can't recommend reduction, we still have some concerns about the position itself, we do put it

i actually am looking at the b.l.a. report, and i think there's a discrepancy really in the funding. so i would say one, let's get through some more -- i think what the chief has said is people have to have this 40 hour training. not everyone on the force has been trained yet, and that they hope to deploy every single police officer with a taser, and -- but yet only about 900 have been trained so far, so it'll take a while to ramp up. so that's why i'm suggesting that maybe this isn't the first year they can do it. but the second -- they can come back to us also with the actual cost and put that amount in reserve. if you want, we can put the full amount in reserve until everybody's trained and we have a training schedule until how this will be deployed. i actually think that in this body, it is not at the -- i think the police commission has spoken, and they have setup guidelines in how this should be implemented, and actually, these costs actually reflect how it should be implemented according and aligned to the san fra

so if you get two academy classes, the b.l.a. is arguing you won't need a workload study. >> i would suggest that the two academy classes are part of -- >> supervisor cohen: high priority? >> yeah, they're high priority. they're part of a larger analysis that will need to happen, and -- and i think that analysis still needs to happen. i mean, if we don't -- we don't do it, we'll still be asking the same questions next year, what's the right number? >> supervisor cohen: yes, you will be. and just a question for clarification, is that $125,000, is that what you allocated in last year's budget, the workload study? >> supervisor yee: last year, we were able to get some funding, and i think this is the amount. >> supervisor cohen: okay. >> supervisor yee: i think there's also a match that the police department was going to provide, so to study itself for the whole task force effort would cost more than the 125. >> supervisor cohen: okay. thank you. more questions. furniture and fixtures. now we're going to be making a move, right? you'

the b.l.a. has recommended, would you be 100 officers. if we looked at that and the rotation schedule, we could get you to the amount of officers that you need on the straoe. without a staffing workload plan and analysis, i also think it's premature because we are accountable to the taxpayers of san francisco. and we would like to know, it's our responsibility to know what the workload analysis is. we're laypersons. i know a little more because i've been married to a cop for 35 year, but i don't think that we have a deep analysis of the workloads and i'm sorry that that analysis is not done yet. but i think this was part of the b.l.a.s suggestion. why they recommended this is because they didn't see a staffing workload andage sister. -- and analysis and that actually needs to be done and for us to be able to make a sound financial or fiscal decision here is, what is the plan? and will it cover this? so those three things. one, that we don't have a staffing plan. another thing is that 105 new officers will come online without the additional

as i said friday, we thank the b.l.a. for their report, and we do support and are in agreement with the 2.9 million in cuts, however, we do disagree with the policy recommendation of the b.l.a. in terms of the police staffing. we believe it's essential to continue our staffing and add the additional 250 officers to our current staffing and that's the position that we'd like to discuss today. >> supervisor fewer: chief, do you have hard copies of the communication you sent? >> hang on, supervisor. i believe we do. proposed copies are being distributed. so we did not have all the attachments that i sent you, but you have the slides. >> supervisor cohen: okay, chief, i think we're ready to go. we're on the same page now. >> okay. >> supervisor cohen: could you walk us through this again. >> yeah, sure. >> supervisor cohen: now that we have it in front of us. >> so let me begin kind of the overview of the ask, and then the slide on the overhead, and then i'm going to go onto the slide that you have in front of you. the slide t

let me ask a question to the b.l.a. mr. rose. when you make your recommendations, you ever take into consideration the long-term expense or the long-term costs on the pension when we are hiring and bringing in f.t.e.s? is that factored in? >> actually, our -- sorry, madam chair, members of the committee. our budget analysis on the retirement system is consistent with all departments where we would only look at actual expenditures, prior experience, projected. >> supervisor cohen: my question isn't about the retirement board's budget. my question is more general. >> i see. >> many departments, for example, we heard that the port is going to be making a hire. we heard that, and you reviewed that the airport is going to have, forget the exact number, 25 police officers hired. so, my question is, when you look at the, when you look at the overall budget, do you take into consideration the long-term costs? i know you take into consideration the cost of academy classes, i know you take into consideration the cars and all that stuff. but

go ahead, supervisor, and then hear from the b.l.a. shortly. >> supervisor fewer: i want to know if you have plans for expansion in work force programs. >> work force development programs? in particular, we are very conscious of the fact the seawall program, knock on wood, is going to launch with i hope approval of a general obligation bond this november. and that that is going to be a very large opportunity for us in terms of work force development. we are very committed to developing a program, probably in partnership with the office of economic and work force development that really does, i hope, focus on locating and training folks from low income communities in the city and really funneling them into what are going to be a good number of high paying construction jobs when that program really does launch. >> supervisor fewer: ok. thanks. because actually, i am looking in the fiscal budget about work force development and how we can get more people actually to work and in the city department. so, thank you very much. >> supervisor co

when we look at the 202 positions in the b.l.a. report that are nonpatrol assignments that are suggesting that we take a look at. some of the positions we know up front that we don't agree. we think they're vital that those be sworn positions. but there are others that i think is definitely worth having that discussion and taking a a deep look at whether that can be civilianized. we do agree there. i can tell you we don't think it's 200. we have identify what had we think is 68 that should be looked at. i think as was pointed out, that's a very good starting point. i want to point out to you what's driving a lot of what we're asking for. it is not -- i fully appreciate and understand being data driven and i said this on friday. it would be great if the homeless issues were solved by 2020 and i'm as optimistic as anybody. but our reality is we need to deal with where we are now and looking forward we have some significant issues in policing and collaborate rating on what is happening on our streets as it relates to homeless. if you l

ion the visor yee: i would m b.l.a. recommendation for those en for the items that were included in 2 and 3. >> supervisor cohen: awesome. i'll second that, and take it without objection. >> clerk: b.l.a. recommendations for items 2 and 3, have been oehyr ingbe excused from today's meeting. and may i suggest, i believe it was proposed that these matters be referred to the july 17th meeting of the full board. lerk: items 2nd 3, i think f thehair c continue them to the nwith the june 1st budgets in front of you. his p th committee. >> that is right. >> clerk: items and 3, tho have been amended. and i believe the motion now is to continue tse matters to the sor cohat ts hair. and i 1s a tab itabled item. >> clerk: yes, to be heard and . >> svihen:t now, we will hear from item 7. lerk c 7 has called. >> supervisors asnow,rofcessues on how the city perfoing st t budget you ag we issued our last rejection report for the fiscal year we are ending. we call it the nine-month report. it's available on our website. you have copies

it's just a lining that the b.l.a. report had reflected in the budget system? and finally these technical adjustments amount to approximately $250,000 in costs that will be -- will draw upon the technical adjustment reserve that is budgeted to cover these costs. >> supervisor cohen: thank you very much. i appreciate that. all right. with that said, i want to call miss linda girl back from the department of technology. so just to recap, the department of technology has a $1.8 million that has been cut. $1.5 million is still allocated in the current budget, and you agreed to a $500,000 carry forward from last year. i wanted just to be courteous to you miss lainda. is there anything you wanted to share with us, any comments or thoughts? >> good morning. >> supervisor cohen: good morning. >> i would just like to say about this project that it is complex, that there are many unknowns that we're trying to understand. i think one of the things that sometimes we lose sight of it what is the do nothing alternative, and what is the impact of doing nothing, and i think wh

the b.l.a. to hear what their remarks are on this topic. >> thank you, supervisors. as the director mentioned, there are four new positions, 12 33 equal opportunity program positions and the director spoke to the increase in the caseload. while there has been an increase in the last few years, it's not necessarily been steady increases every year. in '16/'17, they dipped a little bit and now back up. so the reason why we're recommended limited term is because we're expecting whether this will sustainably continue to increase or whether it's going to plateau or potentially might ease up a bit. so we're going to give the department three years to see where this goes. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. i appreciate that. colleagues, any questions? supervisor yee, would you like to say something? >> supervisor yee: just make a comment. i understand the three-year term piece, but i also understand in regards to temporary employment and three years is really not that temporary, to be truthful. there's a

the weekend. chief, keep your phone on. b.l.a., keep your phone on. i'm going to move the conversation forward, and the next department we're going to hear from is the city attorney's office, but we are going to keep this conversation open, and we will see you on monday. >> all right. >> supervisor cohen: thank you to the police commission,nd thank you to kelly cohen. i will be presenting the department's slides that they presented just so i'm very clear. supervisor sheehy? >> supervisor sheehy: can i ask for one data number? can we get the numbers of crime, attach a cost to assault, to burglaries, is there some way to get some data on that because our taxpayers are paying either way, and they can either -- we can either provide individuals to be on the street to prevent crime or we can have our residents of this city actually paying to repair car windows, to replace items stolen in burglaries, to pay for health care costs from assaults and other crimes. so i think we need to put that in balance and weigh the scale both ways. 'cause i hear from my resi

i want to speak in support of the b.l.a. recommendations. i especially want to address the need for housing subsidies for seniors and adults with disabilities. housing is the biggest issue for people living with hiv and aids. it is only when people have safe affordable housing that they are able to manage this disease. when it cost us $750,000 per unit for affordable housing, we need a flexible program like these housing subsidies to get money out on the street and keep people housed. thank you. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. >> hi supervisors. i'm with the food security task force. thank you for the opportunity to give the public one last time. we want to ask that we add more towards food security, specifically seniors and adults with disabilities. we appreciate the fund there for home delivered groceries and we are asking if you can find another million dollars to add that the home delivery meals. i know it is tough. but we have to ask. if it is less than that, we will take that. we know that we want to stay on the strand of serving people