funny, black and white alike, was something the younger musicians of the post-world war ii era, the bebop him about it. dizzy gillespie most prominently and i think most sharply, i think they just didn't take him in historical perspective and some of them lived long enough to change their tune, including i'm happy to say dizzy gillespie who in his autobiography written at the end of his life apologized to armstrong for having described him as an uncle tom. in fact i will quote gillespie verbatim because the things that stuck in my mind. he said hell i have my own way. so i think now that we are far beyond armstrong's life as gillespie was beyond the beginning so that, we can see him as he was, as a figure from history and as someone who's art, and i think his personality, is a permanent interest in permanently contemporary even if there are aspects of it that we would especially want to see at the movies today, by this day. yes, sir. >> thank you for your talk and thanks for this lovely book. i imagine for a serious critic like yourself it is hard to produce an objective book on the subje