they attach immigration to the homeland security bill. they are threatening to attach the keystone pipeline to a highway bill and now they include abortion and a human trafficking bill. and then they tell us we are seeing phantom problems? i don't think so. they have been in charge for eight weeks and all who we have seen is they are taking hostage after hostage after hosted legislatively to get their way on their philosophy. roe philosophy. roe v. wade is the lava lamp it if they don't like it when don't they just propose doing away with it? let's have that out. this bill singles out an an hurts from poor women and women who have been the victim of a heinous crime, whitman to face deplorable conditions, ripped out of their homes taken advantage of, treated brutally. women who many times are forced into pregnancy by their captors and in an unprecedented manner because of slipping language into this bill the bill imposes abortion restrictions on private funds private funds that have been collected from the criminals and the perpetrators are

i'll bring your attention it is going to be the administration's trailer bill it deals with h o v lane it is post on the website it is not in bill form it is similar to not ideal to ab 194 by mr. frazier those two issues will be the frazer bill sports by the coalition i've not seen the language at the time they were ready to introduce it so they're to introduce it as a fall back the trailer bill the administration it proposing authorizes on with an hand caltrain to do the feinstein and each group will be subject to approval by the state transportation system there are guidelines that will be in place if this bill passes issue surround the trailer process that goes through a process that is much more quickly than the stand alone bill we've arrived and monitoring the hearing basis for when this trailer bill will be developing the strategy to influence influence the budget subcommittee on the trailer bill so i want to bring your attention and i think i'll suggest the staff add if on the agenda for the future may be as an agenda item but for tracking. >> supervisor

the underlying bill moves e.p.a. away from scientific integrity and weakens the independence of the science advisory board. first, the bill requires that all scientific and technical points be balanced among members of the board. what does the term balanced mean? politicians should not be mandating scientific results. science should be determined by the experts -- scientifics -- scientists and scientific researchers, not by those of us in this chamber. second, the bill imposes a nonscience-based hiring quota for advisory board members based on employment by a state, local or tribal government without regard to scientific expert teels. and finally the open public comment period in the bill would allow regulatory opponents an endless amount of time to halt derail, discredit and slow e.p.a. actions that go against their interests. so instead of limiting review time and providing businesses with more certainty of how e.p.a. regulations will affect their projects, the underlying bill would increase delay and decrease certa

the bill died. the second time, just earlier this year, it passed the house of representatives, 401-0. this time, the senate stripped all of my language out of the bill, it got turned into a one-week funding measure for the department of homeland security. this is a bill that deserves to become law. this legislation has the strong support of the national volunteer fire council, the international association of fire chiefs and the congressional fire services institute. i appreciate their support and the work of all the men and women they represent, who protect us every day in our hometowns. we all agree that public safety is too important of an issue to play politics with. mr. speaker, i urge passage of this bill, and i ask all members to vote yes. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from california seek recognition? ms. sanchez: i wish to speak on the bill and i yield myself such time as i may consume. the spe

stloated for, which is the last -- a bill stloated for which is the last appropriations bill we voted for in the last dame-ducklame-duck session. mr. thune: this bill was filed on january 13. when was it plarkd up? mr. cornyn: it was marked up or passed out of the judiciary committee roughly a month later. mr. thune: so this has been around now this legislation has been here in the senate at least for weeks months. mr. cornyn: months. the. mr. thune: and it's 6 pages long. it's been -- and it's 68 pages long. it was naffed back in of -- it was introduced back in january. it was reported out unanimously. all the democrats voted for it when it left the judiciary committee. when it was brought up on the floor of the senate, all voted to get on this bill. so all of a sudden here at the 11th hour on a piece of legislation that clearly has unanimous support, i would think -- or thought should have had unanimous support, they are now objecting because there is language in this legislation which evidently 68 pages long is a lot to read. now, obamacare obviously was a story where

further, the bill is prospective. it will not interfere with any enacted rules or regulations by the environmental protection agency. to address concerns expressed during the science committee's consideration of the bill, the legislation spells out that nothing in these requirements would jeopardize any privacy concerns with scientific studies. you know, the c.d.c. successfully makes its studies available they redact personal information and they don't expose any test subjects' personal information and the e.p.a. should have no problem similarly complying with these requirements. mr. speaker, americans are waking up to how much of the united states economy the e.p.a. is attempting to regulate. from carbon dioxide to ozone. and people are rightly anxious over how these new and in some cases unprecedented rules will affect some consumers' wallets. it is reasonable and expeditious to ensure that the science that the e.p.a. relies upon to craft its regulations simply be transparent and simply be available to all -- for all

get on the bill and we are on the bill and we can finish this bill in 20 minutes. the only thing that needs to be done is the language relating to abortion should come out of this bill. abortion and human trafficking have nothing to do with each other. so my friend the republican leader if you want to quote me anytime he wants and i know he will quote me correctly but it should be in the proper context in that context mr. president is this. we have proven during the first few months of this congress and on issues that we believe should be debated, we will allow the senate to get on the bill. we are not going to be stalling as has been done for the last six years just to kill time. we were on human trafficking because it's something that needs to be completed, finished and one away this is going to happen is the abortion language should go out of the bill. >> mr. president and i ask unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy with my colleagues the senator from illinois, the senator from ohio and i think we are going to be joined by the senator from south dakota and pe

it's not in the house bill. so maybe the house understands this. i can't speak for the house. mr. cornyn: mr. president, i would ask unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection. mrs. feinstein: i would be happy to. i think we ought to discuss this. mr. cornyn: otherwise we'll have to keep addressing questions to the chair and asking permission. i'd like to have a chance to have an honest conversation with my friend. so it is clear that the senator from california that has voted for this restriction on the use of taxpayer funding for abortion previously -- correct? mrs. feinstein: not to my knowledge. let me put it that way. now, you can blame me and you can say i should have known. mr. cornyn: i'm just -- mrs. feinstein: i'm not the only one in our committee who is in this position either, who communicated with your staff and was under the impression that the bill was identical to last year. mr. cornyn: i -- mrs. feinstein: with the exception of seven pi

started off as a bipartisan bill, but along the way a provision was added to the bill that brings me to the floor today in opposition to that provision. not only do i oppose the substance of that provision but i very much object to how the provision was added to the bill unbeknownst to the sponsors of this bill like me. so buried in this bill is a provision that allows government to dictate a woman's health care options, and this provision would limit choices for women who have been victimized by human trafficking women who are often forced to endure rape and violence on a daily basis. that is what human trafficking is. so this is an unprecedented and i have to say appalling expansion of government's role in women's health care decisions. the provision is antiwomen and antivictim. mr. president, this body should be working to help these victims of trafficking violence, not playing politics with their lives, but that's not what we are seeing today. the truth is there are some in this body who have time and again put their own ideological agenda and the need to score political

something into the bill when the bill has been out there on the web site for a couple of months already, no. that's disingenuous. so the bill is not moving along. but when this bill is brought up for a final vote, the people will see that republicans and democrats can work together if we can get over this hurdle of the -- of the stonewalling of the minority party of the united states senate holding this bill up for a disingenuous reason. i yield the floor. a senator: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from nevada. mr. heller: if we're in a quorum i ask that it be dispensed with. the presiding officer: we are not. mr. heller: madam president i rise in support of the bill currently pending before us, the justice for victims of trafficking act. i want to commend the chairman for his hard work and effort on this piece of legislation for ushering it through the united states senate. i also want to thank and commend the senior senator from texas and missouri for coming together in a bipartisan fashion on this vitally important human rights legislation. madam president, becaus

if they had taken up that bill or the leahy bill, we could have worked out the differences between those bills and said something to the president for his signature. the president supported what we're doing in the house of representatives in that fashion. so we have to start up again, but we're facing a deadline that will bring clear vision to everyone in the house and senate . we need to protect our civil liberties at the highest level possible. i think we will bring something very similar to something that passed the house with such a wide margin in the last congress and look to the senate to come up with their version and then we have to sit down and work out the differences. it would not surprise me if they came out with something different. with baby to understand that this is an important measure that has a deadline -- what they need to understand is that this is an important measure that has a deadline. >> we have already seen tension between mcconnell and speaker ma john boehner. we have seen fingers be pointed at senate republicans. are you satisfied with the leadership, or are

the idea? billhillary clinton had a lot to do with it as well in the sense that i think you saw it in the first trip and since the secretary of state. i think they both -- charlie: the dinner was to asia. bill: i think they both understood the significance of asia as the center of gravity in the international system as far as i can see in the 21st century. it doesn't mean it's the only important thing. it's unique. it was a pivot at the outset. any american administration will have to look in many different directions. i think it is logical, and it built on the last administration to try to rebalance, reprioritize, the approach to asia. charlie: as you well know, the prime minister is coming here to speak for the congress. i have talked about that controversy recently with susan rice. what are the consequences of that? bill: i have long believed that u.s.- israeli relationships are important. it is not a partisan issue. the strength of that relationship is important in a moment where the middle east

this is in the bill. if we pass this legislation this additional information and better awareness and training a child welfare agency officials better training for law enforcement and no one is all part of this to the legislation is increasing penalties on those involved in trafficking enough important because we haven't had a major bill on the floor for 15 years of his learned a lot in the process. there are better ways to give prosecutors and lon prosecutors and line force and the tools they need and stop this heinous crime. there's some really good provisions in legislation on a bipartisan basis. one is with senator feinstein with regard to penalties and the other legislation is the senator schumer we actually offered amendments and we haven't been able to get those because this week we have it move forward. they allow the process to have those and we may see some disagreements on some part of this bill. i thought because they got out of committee with cannabis vote that they would be disagreements. but

after reporting the bill before the senate the human trafficking bill, out of the senate judiciary committee unanimously, they have decided that there is one provision that they don't like, so the bill does not move forward after days of consideration last week. looks like the same trick going on right now. since there is an open amendment process, and that's the way senator mcconnell runs the senate we have naturally suggested that they offer an amendment if they don't like something in this bill. they have refused to do so and instead of holding up the entire bill from being amended and finally passed. so after opening the bill up to amendments and having considered the bill for a week, the majority leader has now filed cloture. i want to be clear what this means. again, a vote against cloture is a vote to continue debate and considering amendments. i have voted against ending debate many times in recent years out of principle when senators were being denied their right to offer amendments. no one can say that this is a case right now on this human human trafficking bill. we've had week of

the bill requires the e.p.a. to use data that is available to the public when the agency writes its regulations. this allows independent researchers to evaluate the studies the e.p.a. uses to justify its regulations. s the scientific method. -- this is the scientific method. how can we believe claims by the government about the benefits of regulations if the science that allegedly justifies them cannot be verified by independent experts? what does the e.p.a. want to hide? this bill does not require the e.p.a. to pay to disseminate the data it relies on publicly. unfortunately c.b.o.'s old cost estimate on a previous bill ignore this is point. if a third party has research data it believes e.p.a. should rely on in its rule making that third party should make it publicly available so that the e.p.a. and other scientists can check its work. there is nothing in the bill that compels the e.p.a. to shoulder this cost which is where the c.b.o. went wrong in scoring the cost of this bill. the e.p.a. has received over $8

take the abortion language out of the bill. the bill dealing with human trafficking is going to pass. if we don't do it now we'll do it. it's something that is imperative that we get done. but it should not be dealt with in relation to abortion. take the abortion language out of the bill. republican senators have a choice to legislate or hijack the debate. they want to get something done; they just need to take abortion politics out of this bill. they want to leave abortion politics in the bill, the republicans will only continue this session's record of dysfunction. now, mr. president, this is the second day that my friend, the republican leader, has come to the floor and quoted something i said a few days ago. every word that he quotes is perfect. that's what i said. but here's the context in which i s mr. president this is the second day that my friends the republican leader has come to the floor and quoted something i said a few days ago. everywhere that he quotes is perfect. that is what i said but here's the context in whi

i said, no we're done with the bill. in is the end of this bill. here things moved so rapidly. i called david brockway, who was then the chief of the joint tax committee said give me three bills, 25%, 26%, 27 high. he says 25% you'll have to get rid of mortgage interest. and, bill i remember you saying how much trouble mortgage interest gave you on your bill. so i asked him, what about 26%? that's friday. the following tuesday he comes and he gives me three, not bills. they weren't bill form but three plans as to how you could get 25%, 26%, 27%. and i looked at them and then i was delayed for 2 1/2 days, because at this stage, up came fast track for the canadian free trade agreement. it's one of those things where the president can't move unless you give him fast track authority, and there was a deadline. if congress had not acted by, this is tuesday, the next wednesday at midnight, he got it. the house had not acted. it fell on our side to take care of it. i thought it was a slam dunk. i was sure we were there. turns out i didn't have the votes. i

the victims? that's what this bill does. and it ends some of the impunity that some of these purveyors of human flesh are -- that they're reaping, the rewards they're reaping and plows it back in to help the victims. but i know the save act to be a particular focus. in talking to the senator from california senator feinstein i know she is very concerned about how the internet has become integrated as part of the business model of some of these perpetrators of this crime. and i'm also told the senator from illinois may be aware of this that some of the veterans that would participate -- mr. kirk: under the hero act we havei.s.ahiring some of the vets to find some of the people online. we should thread the needle very carefully, make sure under the commun kietions decency act freedom in america does not mean you have the freedom to enslave others. with the victory in the civil war, which i apologize to the member from texas, we have established the real principle is that there's an ever-expanding rule of freedom here in the uni

we continue to work on the bill the justice for all bill. as we know, there's a major issue that's come up and we continue to look for a path forward on that issue. i do want to point out sometimes in all of the disagreements what gets lost is the good that needs to be done and why this bill is so important. it would support victims by taking fines and criminal assets from convicted human traffickers and directing them towards services and treatment to help these victims restore their lives. and we know -- i know as a prosecutor in my former job that if people get the help that they need if they can go to a shelter and they have an alternative to a pimp that they have a fighting chance of getting their life together again and not going back into that cycle of violence. they also by doing this -- we've done a lot of this in minnesota -- you give them the support they need and they will testify against the person that's running that sex trafficking ring against a perpetrator. we just got a 40-year sentence out of st. paul minnesota against some

the new bill, arguably, would undo that. ral minimum wage, that sets a floor. you can go higher, but no one can go lower. states can do better if they want to. and that is how these things usually work. the new law they will unveil tomorrow would eventually overtime set federal standards, but it would also block any state that wanted to set their more stringent rules. so when it comes to regulating toxic junk, the new law would tell a state like california they're not allowed to have better safety regulations than any other state or than the federal government as the federal government slowly gets around to making new standards since the 70s on that. that is what is getting unveiled. the chief democratic negotiator, tom udahl has been in congress since 1998. last year for the first time out of the blue he started getting significant campaign contributions from the american chemistry council. they also ran this ad supporting him for reelection. it weirdly says at the end that new mexico voters should call him to thank him for

democrats want that provision simply stripped out of the house bill. snoerd, for the democrats in the senate there is nothing to negotiate in conference. >> i've been very clear for days now that we will not go to conference. the majority knows that. the speaker of the house knows that. senate democrats will not support going to conference because it will be counter-productive. >> the senate's refusal now to go to conference makes it at least theoretically possible for democrats in the house of representatives to employ an obscure house rule to force the senate bill to come to a vote in the house. republican congressman steve king of iowa who voted against

she takes the protections in the bill of rights seriously. almost two decades ago she came to the justice of a haitian immigrant physically assaulted by police officers acting outside the law. lynch is part of the constitutional criminal trillion trillion -- tribunal for rwanda, for the genocide carried out in rwanda. whatever the case, whatever the crime loretta lynch has fought the guilty. she has been exemplary. she is an ideal candidate to be america's top law enforcement officer. that is why she was nominated 121 days ago by president obama. i look forward to the senate finishing its work on confirmation as soon as possible. the american people need loretta lynch in their corner. mr. president, what is the business of the day? the presiding officer: under the previous order the leadership time is reserved. under the previous order the senate will be in a period of morning business until 11:00 a.m. with senators permitted to speak therein for up to ten minutes each and with the time equally divided the majority controlling the first half a

about what this is i think we should be firm and send the message to the rest of the state this bill not only is unnecessary but have a detrimental thing especially we're talking about the privatization of public space pr without by the way any requirement that payment be made. >> supervisor kim. >> thank you. i just want to direct some questions to staff and so can you clarify ab 61 is looking at was it mean by curbside and what localities can do under the existing legislation. >> supervisor kim. >> i judge have a summary of the bill and it's not entirely clear the bill will allow local authorities to permit shuttle services to stop loading and unloading of passengers between the transit system operating buses and common carriers and shuttle providers it doesn't have a whole lot of detail it is a vehicle for discussing the relationship between the local and state authority. >> can you talk about what is currently allowed in the existing law. >> under the existing law someone may not park or stop with loading or unloading of passengers of a common carrier of bus transportation except

i said no we're done with the bill. this is the end of this bill. and at that stage i called them and this is where things moved so rapidly. i called david brockway, who was then the chief of the joint tax committee said give me three bills, 25, 26, 27 percent. he says 25% you'll have to get rid of mortgage interest. and bill i remember you saying how much trouble mortgage interest on your bill. so i asked him what about 26%? that's friday. the following tuesday he comes and he gives me three -- not bills. they weren't bill form but three plans as to how you could get 25%, 26%, 27%. and i looked at them and then i was delayed for 2 1/2 days, because at this stage, up came fast track for the canadian free trade agreement. it's one of those things where the president can't move unless you give him fast track authority, and there was a deadline. if congress had not acted by, this is tuesday, the next wednesday at midnight, he got it. the house had not acted. fell on our side to take care of it. i thought it was a slam dunk. i was sure we were there. tur

the need for this bill is real and it's troubling. every year across america children and adults are bought and sold for reprehensible purposes. according to the national center for missing and exploited children, at least 100,000 american children each year are the victims of commercial child prostitution and child trafficking. it's not just a big state big city problem. every state in the country is facing this issue including my home state of north dakota. but we currently have trouble addressing this problem because of the many needs including resource needs. after consultation with the attorney general's office, we learned that north dakota has had difficulty in applying for antihuman trafficking grants because to be eligible, the department of justice requires at least two years of local data on human trafficking. north dakota in recent years has been the fastest growing state in the country in terms of both population and income growth. consequently north dakota has only recently seen an increase in human trafficking issues. to

what was the first bill that the republican majority in the senate called? number one senate bill 1 the keystone pipeline, a bill to authorize the construction of a pipeline owned by a canadian company in the united states. that was the highest priority for the senate republicans. the president said at the outset don't try to preempt my authority as president; i'll veto it. but they insisted. and we went through several weeks, two or three weeks of amendments and we cooperated on the democratic side. i think there might have been 30 or more amendments offered during that period of time. in the end the bill passed with six or eight democratic votes sent to the president and vetoed. so the first three weeks were spent on this politically controversial issue which at the end of the day the president's veto was sustained and it was wiped off the slate. then we went into a rather bizarre chapter here where the house republicans insisted that before before they would fund the department of homeland security -- you know the folks at the airport the people who are gu

if they had taken up that bill or the leahy bill, we could have worked out the differences between those bills and said something to the president for his signature. the president supported what we're doing in the house of representatives in that fashion. so we have to start up again but we're facing a deadline that will bring clear vision to everyone in the house and senate. we need to protect our civil liberties at the highest level possible. i think we will bring something very similar to something that passed the house with such a wide margin in the last congress and look to the senate to come up with their version, and then we have to sit down and work out the differences. it would not surprise me if they came out with something different. with baby to understand that this is an important measure that has a deadline -- what they need to understand is that this is an important measure that has a deadline. >> we have already seen tension between mcconnell and speaker john boehner. we have seen fingers be pointed at senate republicans. are you satisfied with the leadership, or are you

what is it about the two of you? bill it is the great good fortune of my career, my association with david hare , which started when i was 30 and i did a television film with him. when i read the first thing i'd ever read by david hare, it kind of rang in me in a way great writing or great art often does. it was almost as if it were familiar to me. as if, if you would have given me time, i would have gotten around to saying those things. in terms of its attitude toward the world were things that i was already thinking. the elegance and beauty and wit. he writes the best jokes in town. it was something that was very kind of familiar to me. it was the first time i had read a contemporary script where it really blew me away. that -- david counted recently and i think it is 10 things we have done together now. i treasure that. charlie: theater, film, and television. bill: yes. i did "the dreams of leaving" on the television and i went and did a play called "the map of the world." i came here to new york many years later in th

the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: union calendar number 27, h.r. 647, a bill to amend title 12 of the public health service act, to re-authorize certain trauma care programs, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill as amended. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: on this vote, the yeas are 378, the nays are 10 -- 2/3 being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended the speaker pro tempore: on this vote, the yeas are 389, the nays are 10. 2/3 being in the affirmative, the rules are suspended the bill is passed and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the

causing a distraction in the building. billyou talked to her. >> she had the dream of being an actress. >> it was not something -- it was not a beauty thing. it was supposed to send a message. >> the film was not supposed to be sexual? come on. >> we hyper sexualized the breast. a non- issue. it is not necessarily sexual >> distasteful that people are not drawing lines between professional and personal lives. bill: ridiculously ignorant, or did she know that this would cause hysteria? >> she said she never went into it with the intent to cause hysteria. i asked her if she would do it again and she said yes. >> it changed my whole approach. it was liberating. that is what this movement is about. ♪ bill: "high speed chase" start us off. >> this might be a contestant. this woman allegedly took a picture of photo booth and walgreens and left the photo booth without paying or deleting her picture. police are looking for her. if caught she will face petty larceny charges. >> two knew holidays, muslim holidays. one falls under the sum

problem is the way the bill is being described around the country. >> all right, thank you very much john. greatly appreciate it. again, we are waiting for the governor to come out. let me bring in the ceo of the gaming convention which is the largest convention in indianapolis and is considering whether to take business out of the state for future years to come because of the new law, and "the washington post" cindy born editor of the early lead sports blog who covered the response that the ncaa has given as well as the nba. adrian, let me start with you. the governor says this is a misunderstanding maybe the law is being misconstrued by the media and others. what do you say in response? >> i don't think anybody is misconstruing anything and i would say that if there's this much room for people could have misunderstanding, then there's something wrong with this law and i don't think at this point in time that standing by the rhetoric of clarification is what people want to see happen here. >> when this started, the back lash, i think it was gen con was the first, if i recall to come

now let me say on the subject of the bill itself. i don't believe for a minute that it was the intention of the general assembly to create a license to discriminate or right to deny services to gays, lesbians or anyone else in this state. and it certainly wasn't my intent. but i can appreciate that that's become the perception. not just here in indiana, but all across this country. and we need to confront that, and confront it boldly. in a way that respects the interests of all involved. personal reflection for a moment, if i can. i the way i was raised was like most hoosiers, with the golden rule. that you should do unto others as you would have them do unto you. and i believe in my heart of hearts that no one should be harassed or mistreated because of who they are, who they love or what they believe. and i believe every hoosier shares that conviction. but as i've said, we've got a perception problem here, because some people have a different view. and we intend to correct that. after much reflection, and in consultation with leader

the river. criminal negligence. bill: where is the truck now? >> i don't think they extracted it out of the water. that's a whole another job from other day. bill: all right. thanks. "high speed chase", set us off. >> i missed dominates, was pregnant, but not as much. >> look at this. the eagle cam. a bald eagle. bill:i don't think i'm interested. ♪ >> on a mission to rid st. patrick's day of its offensive stereotypes. if he sees you wearing a t-shirt like this one is not going to be so happy. >> this shirt right here. >> i forgot to look at it. >> you no what i would do if i saw you walking on the street? >> what's wrong with this? >> it implies the st. patrick's day is all about drinking. >> okay. >> he is on a mission to rid st. patrick's day of its offensive stereotype by going to walmart stores and buying up t-shirts only to return them the next day. ♪ >> that puts the focus on ireland's rich tradition and award-winning irish singer, teaches irish dancing, and he hosts an irish radio show every saturday. as you can imagine the st. patrick's

the bills failed on cost control. said i am another's think we didn't do enough, but the fact costs have been the gdp is a per person basis. medicaid is going down. the fact we didn't do enough doesn't mean we didn't do a of a good job in advert money. [laughter] >> well, let's unpack what you said your first of all what you meant was the rate of cost increase has gone down. >> in medicare and medicaid -- >> on a per person basis medicare and medicaid have actually gone down. >> i'm talking about health care costs generally. >> let's get to what else he said. in the last five years, the data you're talking about the most recent is 2013 before the health care exchange even existed. it's a nice thought but nothing to do with obamacare. >> first of all that i totally disagree with because obamacare started march 23rd 2010. the exchanges are not the only part of obamacare. so the idea that obamacare didn't come into effect -- >> whatever you are referring is that the past way is to look their workplaces that purport to do