in the next board meeting. we'll make all the staff recommendations and consultant memos for review upon request and any investment above the threshold percent of assets still continues to come in front of the board. the phase-in approach allows us to continue to augment our processes. and in addition to the reporting, even at phase 1, what we insure we provide is a slight revision if you will of the memos we already receive from the consultants to give you comfort when the consultant reviews investment they look at the investment as a individual investment but concur it is suitable for the plan, suitable for the asset class and consistent with our ips. in addition, i will require that before it comes to me for approval, we'll have again doesn't sound exciting but a process check list to make sure all the steps we committed to following the process have been fallowed before the recommendation gets approved, and i also commit in the case where the pmg approves investments and i disagree i have the ultimate decisi

continue to the board. never mindful okay and then i -- was reasonable -- urged to join the health the state health care affordability committee as i accepted my -- application to be a member one thing i'm not sure and it is good or not. anyway. no tell be good this health care add rise real board is appointed by the governor has a monumental charge to put in place some controls on the health care pend and the state california. and this has been dmn 7 other states. and to various degrees of success we'll see how far we can go in california. and it is a noble cause and i will keep i posted as things move forward and connect you with the website and keep everyone informed to what is progress with in group. the health ecquit diversity updates is pride mont. and we are in our second year of celebrating as a city holiday juneteenth, which we had to get used to it our budget cal dares it was on a tuesday that bumps the board of supervisors by a meek. so -- there are good will to celebrate with our various populati

next at the board meeting on april 2020 23, the retirement board approved in closed session. a commitment of up to 80 million in t a 15. it, uh, that fun is classified as a growth capital investment within the spurs equity portfolio, and it closed the 80 million million investment in t a 15 closed on april 27th 2023 next at the meeting on april 20th. 2023 the retirement board approved in closed session investments of up to 50 million to be allocated between mayfield uh 17 in mayfield select three. investments of 20.5 million in mayfield, 17 and 13.5 million and mayfield select three. closed on may 1st 2023 finally, um at the board meeting on february 16th 2023, the board approved in closed session, a commitment of up to 100 million in genstar capital partners, 11 and priority co investment vehicles. gen star capital partners, 11 lp is classified as a buyout investment within the spurs private equity portfolio. ah first commitment of 100 million to gen star capital partners closed on april 26th 2023. so with that i was going to turn to the presentation that i have in this repor

be sent to the board. to be sent to the board. did we get another copy of it or was was that from what we had in the past? should be in the packet. that's the last pitch. sorry. sorry i was looking. i had looked at one in the past. there you go. it's in. it's in the back. oh, here. thank you. i don't. i don't know if we needed to mention anything about the budget, that's all. it was the emotion on this agenda item. i just feel like we need to just um, include include your your budget. that presentation. i think our budget presentation was in the it wasn't in the first three quarters. what's on it, or you made the presentation just a couple of weeks ago, right? i guess you're right. i guess you're right. you're preparing it. although, although i was going to say, um. i still think you know stuff with nicole armstrong helped us with and preparing for the budget. i think that was essential. just that we can we thoroughly considered budget items in and setting up a fresh office. and high and highlighted budget because in your presenta

the board's rules of presentation as follows. we only have two cases that have been previously that have previously been heard for item number four. the parties will be given two minutes each and no rebuttal, and for item five. the parties will be given three minutes each with no rebuttal. members of the public were not affiliated with the parties have up to three minutes each to address the board and no rebuttal. mr long way our legal assistant will give you a verbal warning 30 seconds before your time is up. four votes are required to grant an appeal or to modify a permit or determination. if you have any questions about requesting a re hearing the board rules we're hearing schedules, please email board staff at board of appeals at sf gov .org now. public access and participation are of paramount importance to the board s f g tv is broadcasting and streaming this hearing live and we will have the ability to receive public comment for each item on today's agenda. tv is also providing close captioning for this meeting to watch the

upon written request to the director by any member of the board of supervisors. so with that i would like to make the motion to move this amendment to second by by chair by supervisor ronan. and with that roll call, please. and on that motion to amend this ordinance as just read into the record by church and seconded by member ronan, vice chairman edelman middleman. i remember safire. safire. i remember running. ronan. i remember walton walton. i church in a chan i we have five eyes. thank you. and the motion passes and what that. thank you. thank you. and the next we are. madam chair. if we accepted the amendments, we need to and then i would like to make the motion to move it to full board with recommendation. second, by anyone. okay. second by supervisor walton and roll call on on the motion, please. on that motion to forward this ordinance to the july 11th full board with the positive recommendation seconded by member walton as amended, vice chairman. middleton i remember i staff i remember running heroin and i remember walton walton. i chair chan, i chan. we

the name of the ceo. board of directors and annual budget and does in the require them to demonstrate their legal low authorized in san francisco to operate. most important low in this legislation is tht irs recognize them as a 5 interior 1c3 incorporated for charity purposes and donors get a tax deduction and file tax returns a 990 if than i have more than 50 thousand dollars in revenue. the state of california requires registration with charitiable trust in the attorney general's office this . filing ensures a californian can contact the attorney general if they suspect wrong doing. sometimes nonprofits must be audit when they have federal funds this is flow through san francisco for health and human services program. it closed a loophole departments receive reports the conflict is real the department weapon a contractor may not want to shoin a light on that. what we have here exit handed out, clotheless we made a few changes working with our controller. ben and our city attorney. so online 7 andave strike la

but opting instead to cosign with the cochairs of the board. may i remind you that you were invited here to give your perspective as the head staffer of the office and give us an update on how the office is operating. i would like to address an incident involving alcohol this past september. substance abuse is an issue impacting americans across the country, and i encourage all who struggle with this to seek help. there is no shame in asking for help, however, mr. is in a position to pass judgment on behavior of staff. it is concerning that he was arrested for driving under the influence after he hit a stop sign, two parked cars and crashed into a house. he admitted to drinking and driving and was caught on video trying to pay the resident not to report the incident to law enforcement. despite repeated issues with unethical behavior, the board has continued to reappoint him to this position. we have a lot to dive into today. i look forward to bringing accountability and transparency to an office that has historically operated in the dark. i now

to the board that i would be the chairman.s is ongoing into the meeting. and i said how long do i have to think about this. they said about a minute. david: so, after you get that position a couple of days later the federal government calls you up and says what? we've got to talk to you. you've got some problems. they told you that you had to do some serious things to fix the bank of america. is that right? walter: that is correct. i thought when i accepted the position, i thought this is prestigious. it is an honor. and i thought well, i can do it. i have been on the board 15 years, so i was not a novice on the boardroom or financial institutions. i had been on the board of mcdonald's where we had a non-executive chair at one point, motorola had a non-executive chair. so, i had seen what they did. it's about a two day a week job, you preside over meetings. you help with the agenda. you keep in touch with the ceo. i was thinking i can do that until the fed called. i was summoned to richmond, which is the office of the federal

the board voted 4 to 0. to one vice president lopez absent to continue this matter to june, 7th 2023 so that won the permit holder can submit plans that accurately reflect existing conditions with the property and to the parties can attempt to come to an agreement with the participation of db i on an alternative solution. so as a preliminary matter, vice president lopez did you have the opportunity to watch the video and review the materials for the hearing, which took place on april 12th? yes i did. i'm ready to proceed. okay wonderful. so, for this case we will hear from the department's first now dbr. the planning department want to go first. okay? you have three minutes. um, good evening president. suite commissioners matthew green, representing the department of building inspection tonight, so the plans that have been submitted by the architect so hill, shakira. have us come up with a simple solution with after consulting with kevin birmingham. they're just going to move the wall that encloses the washer

the new board members can make plans for the next season. alireza akbari khorram of sed and sima news agency. there were some events in the assembly and the changes in the board of directors of esteghlal and persepolis clubs will create questions so that we can better answer these questions. let's talk about it let's dream, we invited mr. morteza fallah, director general of legal affairs of the ministry of sports and youth, to talk more and maybe some of the questions that the fans of the two clubs have will be answered . they don't already exist, there should be dignity in line with article 107 of the commercial law , it will be formed in the next month to complete the standard and it will be completed , and the changes that occurred in persepolis were less and esteghlal's advertisements were more, of course, considering the margins that esteghlal club had. now i can't get into it, it can almost be said that this mentality was given by the mentality of the martyr, but what was the specific reason for this collection that was held in persepo

it's like the conditions when my board went in my face. ittle go today, just a little go. yeah, let'sjust have a splash around. here we go — first time in the sea with a surfboard since that accident. so not bad for a first try — but clearly, lucy is in a different league. being a force of nature is about getting involved. at the top of her sport, lucy has been courted by major multinationals to be the face of their brands across the globe. but she does want to make a difference. i offset all of my carbon, but i do know that that is sort ofjust putting a plaster over the wound. i really try to be selected with the brands i work with, i try to make sure they are brands that have good ethoses and are trying to be more sustainable and supporting that. it is often hard to turn down a big pay cheque! laughs. if they're a brand that isn't sustainable, but it is more worthwhile in the long run. you have done that? really? 100%. from a company you feel hasn't fulfilled your... yeah, just fast fashion or things that don't align with what i believe i

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by appointing the new members of the board of directors of the capital city , i can plan for the next season. let me know, alireza akbari khorram of sedav and sima news agency, the events that happened in the meeting and the changes in the board of directors of esteghlal and persepolis clubs caused questions. in order to be able to answer these questions better and inquire about it , we invited mr. morteza falah, the general manager. the ministry of sports and youth affairs and continental plateau, i am at your service out of courtesy to all the respected viewers . the curse was the reason for these four people who do not already exist . in accordance with article 107 of the trade law, the next month will be completed to complete the changes that have been made in persepolis. came less about the changes esteghlal will be, of course, considering the margins that esteghlal club had, now it is entering the field, it can almost be said that this mentality was given to this mentality , but what was the special reason for this group that was held , persepolis was created, what did ghorbanza

you know we stand by our words we spoke at the full board. i think we need to be honest with our vote and put our money where our mouth is and think careful low with our vote and carefully where we put the machine economy whether or not it will deliver the results. even though however small it might be to as a starter. at least we are delivering -- real results. and instead of i hope i hope we don't end up being in a space where we dedicate funds and yet this funding is stuck. supervisor walton. thank you chair chan and the public here. thank you to director dave xis chair mc donald. first, we don't pend time at this board talking about what the mayor will do and not do. i don't know why we chose to do this on this topic our job is to dot things within our power. we cannot play gypsy and try to figure out when the mayor will do. we have a role here at the board of supervisors and we all of us understand this role i don't know why today we act like we don't know we approve stuff that the mir does not go for all the time. i want to thank directo

members of the board. i am lisa gibson, environmental review officer. your environmental review officer and i'm with the planning department. i have a slide presentation, madam clerk, if we may go to that, please. the item before you is the appeal of the class 32 categorical exemption issued by the planning department for the 1151 washington street project pursuant to the california environmental quality act or sequa on june 26th and 23rd of this year, the department issued response to the appeal letters submitted by the appellant prior to june 23rd. and we've reviewed all of the other materials submitted since then. we maintain our position that the appellant has not met the legal burden of proof to successfully challenge the categorical exemption. in my presentation, i will highlight some of our main arguments in response to the appeal. but first i do want to acknowledge the testimony that i heard today from speakers who are understandably concerned about the potential impact of the project, including haz

ordinance will across the board. >> the ordinance is an across the board increase. why are we talking about additional 5%. people want more of an increase. that 20 percent would go to fees in general. >> ordinance is written 15% krosdz the board and you can either we had a motion to approve with 15% next. the competing motion discussion has been wlchl dom a 20% or 25% increase or recommend the board that 15% minimum we recommend they consider incoming up to 20%. that will be across the board. like to make a motion to keep 15 percent a minimum up po to 20%. as an increase. i will second that. so there is a motion and a second. could i offer -- amendment to pin it to budget that was passed will [inaudible]. july first. i wanted to clarify that sounded like it was confusion. thank you for look at increased fees. i'm not comfortable increase to 20. >> deputy city attorney there was a motion with the second. so. >> this is [inaudible] i'm the acting managers of [inaudible]. i have about 30 plan [inaudible] under my watch. so i want to plead to the commission as a public

my name is martinez and i serve as chair of the board of the subcommittee or asc the asc is a federal agency would a board made up of the federal agency you succeeded before you the ac's role is on oversight and support of the appraiser regulatory system. i also served as deputy director of the consumer financial protection bureau or cfpb. today's hearing will build on the information we gathered as a result of the first hearing the asc held in january of this year our focus is on the appraisal regulatory system including appraisal standards appraiser qualification criteria barriers to entry into the appraiser profession appraisal and appraiser practices in state regulation and enforcement. afc will hold two additional hearings on topics related to appraisal biased which we will announce in the coming months. as with the previous hearing asc is taking written comments from the public about the topics discussed through june 5, 2023 you can submit a comment by e-mailing appraisal biased hearing at asc.gov. here's what you can expect today. first fhfa sandra thompson will provide opening

regular rider on the board. this is good. i'm going to work in reverse and start with the southeastern part. the stop we are proposing for removal at holloway and jacera, they are two stops at the same intersection. there is one near side jacera and one far side. it is near side beverly, basically far side jacera. they are 300 feet apart so that is one of them. at 19th and holloway, we have three stops at the same intersection. it is a bazaar situation and the reason is, we do a little deviation down into park merced. you can get on the bus eastbound on the northwest corner by state and there is a stop on the southeast corner which is redundant so proposing to remove that. we are not proposing to add stops on winston. we are proposing to remove one from the far side to the near side, the intersection at a stop sign, just because that actually at signals we want to be the far side of the intersection. it saves us time at stop signs we want on the near side of the intersection that saves us time so that is what that proposal is.

that is when we saw across the board. we'll get to sharing examples from the types of the providers. this is a national vender. and i'm not reading all that you have the slides. this is a vender worked with the city forever and 30 year's of experience. and they train across the board on tons of areas. i will interrupt you for a second. we can pause time would be great. just on the training front,ip understand what the cbd's that the city doesn't directly is not directly involved in training oversight that is left to the cbd, are some is anything provided in terms of best practice. if i'm curious for those launching theiron ambassador program fist they come to the city are they provide with any samples from existing providerses or guidance on training operation? >> that it is a chris question and we can wait for q and a or do it now. >> i'm curious we are talking about the training. if there is is there anything provided to the cbd's? >> or are they on their own. >> thank you. oe dshgs wd did not provide anything but work w

am this code change parrots what the board supported by resolution. you may know, san francisco has an official bird the quail this marks the parrot as the official animal. birds of a feather flock together. >> thank you for your support and make supervisor happy as a lark if you keep in committee i'm worried tell end up dead as a dod o you are crazy as a loon if you did not support i'm sure that supervisor melgar will take it like water off a duck's back or proud as a peacock if you spchlt thank you for upon listeningil fly like an eagle back to the office. >> thank you, and despite your best efforts to lose my vote i will be supporting this. >> i was about to reconsider my supportful someone pulled out the dad joke book this morning. >> i do want to say and i than you know san francisco grapples with serious issues and sometimes tell play out on social media why are we doing this when we have serious problems. i think it is i said the full board i want to say here, we can walk and chew gum at the same time and address serious issues and celebrating o

and so it's my hope that when the board appoints its representatives, small business seat on the rates with homeowners. many questions remain to quote whether other cost cutting measures could be applied by controlling costs and eliminating redundancies, inefficiencies. the impact of a 90% increase over five years on fixed income households, middle class families, seniors and working middle class homeowners is unfair and heavy handed in this particular economy, so we were looking for ways to continue to work for cost savings before ratepayers are burdened with additional costs. um again, and that was mainly from the west twin peaks and some other homeowners that red reached out to us. and then finally, i want to, um in terms on the environmental side and want to thank the 12 emmy trust for their letter. where they right. we hope you will oppose the sfp, ucs water and wastewater rate increases and instead initiate an independent audit of the sfp ucs policies and practices. the tuolumne river trust would be very interested in participating in this process. so we have a small business op

i am chair of asv am not involve the board of trustees. i take might asv hat off your a little bit and give thewi background. as i understand it when congress granteded the authority over the standard. the foundation wase already charging i think is $2500 but don't quote me on that. congress, as i understand it, as a foundation uses as a source of harevenue. the rest is intellectual property. the intellectual property is part of the publication overall. the one to emphasize commissioner if i may come with the state's need for is not behind a pay wall. are not enforceable material. these are materials that are put on the website assistance of the public. all you say all what we appear to do in our day jobs. there advisory opinion those are and if this is the system of record governing this industry it is critical that all of that be public. let us all looket further into whether those can be made public be not behind a pay wall. we can move on to another question for you. ... setting your written testimony covered methods and techniques that

with the new decision of the board of directors , the blues are currently managed by a supervisor. supervisor is currently looking to hire a coach for the next season. i am one of the iranian and foreign coaches who announced that any foreign coach who wants to come to esteghlal club should come to see iran and the environment, see the club, our persepolis board of directors had only one change, peyman haddadi, reza darvish's successor, mr. darvish's proposal it was decided that one the financial and economic member should have enough experience in the capital market to be added to the composition of the persepolis board of directors . of course , darvish will still be the ceo. from the vicinity of the micro car factory with the teams that god says are the servants of the premier league, they are making a living with difficulty, where will it go? i want it not to be just a matter of solving the task, along with haddadi, shahriari khabiri , delbari pourahmadi is still in the board of directors of the club. persepolis will continue to work alireza akbari khorram of the radio and tele

the spokesperson of the government said that creating transparency in issues such as the receipts of board members , holding high-level meetings and reviewing the financial statements of state-affiliated companies are among the advantages of this regulation in advance . from this department, the general meetings of state companies were conducted based on the mirror of 2013, but according to this year's budget law, the ministry of economy is obliged to prepare new regulations by the end of june at the latest and to be approved by the government delegation of the minister of economy today at the 44th annual meeting of the fund. epic will give a speech in vienna. mr. khandozi said on the sidelines of the meeting that the fund's annual meeting is very important for exchanging opinions and determining the task of sabah investment. countries can use the fund's investments in the field of investment and construction projects. the goal of the vision is to make the economic tigers of the countries resistant to the forms that enter the economy, and the second is the double issue in the social sphere

president, members the board, mr. superintendent, i was a group that came forward to bring this presentation -- as you know, i'm president of the san francisco acp. all i have to say is, number one, this is like deja vu. i've been in this town for 47 years now. and our main problem is, we must expect all children to excel. when you expose children or any human being and you spend focus time on the task, you come out all right. we got to stop dumbing down expectations. and i have a little formula here to invite you to consider, what i call the five-star plan. and that is number one, we've got to end lighten the people -- we've got to enlighten the people. you can't go anywhere. gas lighting. and not telling the truth. number two, engagement. we need to engage these parents in the community we serve. you can't do in a silo. we've got to get rid of this technical arrogance. wisdom is everywhere. you've got to engage people and particularly, the african american community that has been unfortunately far too long marginaliz

if it's adopted by the board. the way i hear your proposal supervisor walton would be um, to remove funding during the interim period for these three positions proposed in the in the d a s office, the committee would still be able to consider that with the budget later this month. um and authorized them, but with a later start date. to align with everybody else that has to operate within accordance with the rules of the city and county of san francisco. understood motion made by supervisor walton. supervisor preston. i just want to clarify with it is , um through the president walton open to making that motion for that amendment. separately i think the way you stated it was to make the motion to make that change and approve the budget. i'm not comfortable approving the budget. i'm 100% we can take those separate. that's what i'm suggesting. you're correct. i did make it that way. um, and we can take them separately. for sure. amendment first, so as to supervisor walton's motion. is there a 2nd 2nd by supervisor pre

we are here to recommend that the committee and the board to the committee and board you approve the terms and conscience of the ma'am the loan documents relate to the sale of the balboa reservoir. located near ocean avenue will be developed with 1100 units of affordable housing including 50% or 550 homes as affordable units. the project neighborhood park and open space community facility and educator house with city college. agreement provides the develop of infrastructure, public space and simultaneous of market rate and affordable housing. bridge housing is master developer and the partner in the project. yet puc is talking about housing? the project is premised on the puc sale of the property master developer for 11.4 million close in the december of twoochl the puc provided seller carry back financing in the form of upon 11 million promise note secured by first upon lien deed of trust. since 2020 the developer successful obtaining affordable housing guarantee awards from the state. market rate economic eroded and not feasible to build the market rate at this time. instead, bridg

if it's adopted by the board. the way i hear your proposal supervisor walton would be um, to remove funding during the interim period for these three positions proposed in the in the d a s office, the committee would still be able to consider that with the budget later this month. um and authorized them, but with a later start date. to align with everybody else that has to operate within accordance with the rules of the city and county of san francisco. understood motion made by supervisor walton. supervisor preston. i just want to clarify with it is , um through the president walton open to making that motion for that amendment. separately i think the way you stated it was to make the motion to make that change and approve the budget. i'm not comfortable approving the budget. i'm 100% we can take those separate. that's what i'm suggesting. you're correct. i did make it that way. um, and we can take them separately. for sure. amendment first, so as to supervisor walton's motion. is there a 2nd 2nd by supervisor pre

every member of the board of supervisors to the 100 plus departments, commissions boards that represent city and county of san francisco. we also defend the city against thousands of lawsuits. so if you slip and fall in front of city hall if there's a bus accident if there is an incident involving the san francisco police department, we defend those matters. we also bring lawsuits on behalf of the city and county of san francisco, where most famous for litigating and obtaining the constitutional right to marry for lgbtq couples have sued gun manufacturers, payday lenders, oil companies, you name it, who are undercutting the rights of san franciscans and the city and county of san francisco. so now moving on to the opioid crisis. i understand you've had some success in court, um, dealing with manufacturers, distributors and pharmacies. could you elaborate a little bit on that for us, so the opioid industry and by that i refer to the legal industry that prescribes pain pills. um over years. uh, deceived americans and resulted in literally thousands upon thousands of deaths and tragedies t

then the board passed legislation to implement prop 64. ut in peck wuty front and center insuring those who have been victimized by the war on drugs could have a seat on the table and own at least 40 percent of those businesses and there would be parody in the market. those are all amendments i made when i was on this committee and proud to have been a part of that. today we have 31 of those retailers. at the same time, some of the promises of prop 64 haven't been realized. the city could do better at enforcement against illegal and dangerous unregulated market. in my district unregulated grow house on ocean avenue caught fire and supervisor engardio's neighborhood house literally exploded. many community members also want better effort to stop underage usage of cannabis. these are all parts of prop 64 promise. we will allow adults to use cannabis and carefully regulating and stopping miners from using it and some of the promises haven't necessarily been fulfilled. today there are hundred applications at office of cannabis. on top of 64 we

members of the board. i am lisa gibson, environmental review officer. your environmental review officer and i'm with the planning department. i have a slide presentation, madam clerk, if we may go to that, please. the item before you is the appeal of the class 32 categorical exemption issued by the planning department for the 1151 washington street project pursuant to the california environmental quality act or sequa on june 26th and 23rd of this year, the department issued response to the appeal letters submitted by the appellant prior to june 23rd. and we've reviewed all of the other materials submitted since then. we maintain our position that the appellant has not met the legal burden of proof to successfully challenge the categorical exemption. in my presentation, i will highlight some of our main arguments in response to the appeal. but first i do want to acknowledge the testimony that i heard today from speakers who are understandably concerned about the potential impact of the project, including haz

as well as on the board's budget page. today each member of the public will have one minute to comment. this committee will not be taking breaks and we will continue through. all the public comment. and thank you so much for everyone being here today. we look forward to hearing from everyone. please, note again like our clerk has mentioned. if need be you are welcome to sends us written public comment. and with that, mr. clerk, call item 1 and 2. >>. s items 1 and 2 the proposed budget and appropriation and proposed salary ordinance. for the fiscal year june 30 of 24 and 25. item 1 ordinance appropriating all estimated receipts and all expend tours for departments of the city and county as. union first of 23. item 2 the ordinance positions in the budget and appropriation ordinance. continuing creating or establishing positions including all positions created boy charter or state law compensations are paid if city funds appropriated in the appropriation ordinance authorizing appointments are continuation of appointments to s

and those are the kids that i worry about. judy: boardgi defrancesco denies that the policy discriminates against any group, including the lgbtq community, and insists that change was necessary to conform with pennsylvania state laws against providing explicit material to minors. a number of these books that you're citing, there's real disagreement that that's pornography, that they'll say, yes, there's some explicit language in there, but it's it's brief. it's within the context of a story. these young people are learning about different experiences. it doesn't mean that that they're going to become that or do whatever they read. luigi: the law doesn't say that. the law says do not provide pornographic material. you know, if they get information from someplace else or whatever, you know, i don't want to be guilty. judy: what about their argument, that they're just trying to protect children from bad things, bad material, bad influences. jeff: i understand that. and i think that, you know, a school should be a safe place for every kid but