the census shall be used to distribute equal representation, but the conduct of the census needs to be strictly not bipartisan but nonpartisan. this is the federal government's mere statistical agency and it's important to fight to keep the process scientifically sound and nonpartisan. to the extent that there may be partisan influences to any number of decisions that are being made about the questions being asked or about the appointments of personnel, i would just say this, no one benefits from a failed census. we are all in this together and their immigrants in every community and populations in every state and rural areas and urban areas. it really behooves any administration and the one that's in place now will be on their watch to make sure that the census is done in a sound way in a way that the public has confidence. the minute the public loses confidence, that the system has integrity, not the implications of the consequences that the count itself, when public confidence plummets, the census will fail. >> can i just had one thing real quick, when i was there i did receive any

so why is the census important? we've already heard it's the basis for reapportioning the congress every ten years. that's a constitutional mandate. the data from the census are used to support fair redistricting and every state uses those data, although not every state is required to. the census results are used to allocate over $600 billion, with a "b," in federal funding, federal funding, every year. the private sector relies on census data and the american community survey in making a number of decisions about where to put facilities, how to hire, et cetera, et cetera, but basically it drives private sector investment and growth and very importantly, every data collection activity for the most part that's done in the united states that's based on collecting data from household or population surveys like the american community survey, the national health interview sur y survey, the current population survey, which puts out the month-to-month estimates of unemployment. all those surveys are made very accurate by th

to the census bureau in terms of the way it takes a census. what methods it uses. gives it a lot of flex kt in that regard. so i think the interesting legal question, also is what -- is there a constitutional bottom line on accuracy? is there a point where the census is so flawed, the undercount is so high, the results are so inaccurate, that a court might step in and say, obviously after a case has been filed, this does not meet a constitutional standard or the standard that the constitution envisions for the census. that is a bottom-line question that we don't know skbret a very interesting one. this question of acceptable level of accuracy. professor, would you agree with that? >> it would be uncharted and interesting. whether as a general matter, the enumeration that the constitution calls for has some sort of judicialable standards or in particular if you would think that the standards met for certain vulnerable and underprivileged grouped they have suffered an undercount. that would be interesting but so far as i know, uncharted territory

reviewing the 2010 census. carrion lowenthal served 14 years as a congressional aide, including eight years in 1987 through 1994 as director of the house census and population subcommittee. since leaving the hill, terry and has remained engaged in this issue. she served on the obama presidential transition team that and advised on statistical activities. philanthropy, civil rights advocates, stan local governments, and business data users. she is an alumna of georgetown university law. let me say, welcome back. rofessor group to his club -- gupta serves as an adjunct professor of law. the co-author of "counting everyone in the digital age." which can be found on the tables outside and online. law, to joining georgetown he held positions as a congressional aide. he served as national staff on the house ways and means committee. he held positions with d.c. hunger solution. later he became senior policy adviser at the center on budget and policy priorities. he also serves on the national academy of civil insurances

to the upcoming census. voting rights activists fear the question will deter immigrants from participating in the census leading to a vast undercount in states with large immigrant communities. this could impact everything from the redrawing of congressional maps to the allocation of federal funding. this is california's attorney general becerra, >> including the question, the census will not be able to fulfill its constitutional duty to count everyone. amy: on tuesday, white house spokesperson sarah sanders said the decision to add a citizenship question was "necessary for the department of justice to protect voters." >> the purpose is to determine individuals that are here. it has also helped to comply with the voting rights act. amy: at least five former directors of the census bureau who served under republican and democratic presidents have written a letter opposing the citizenship question. for more, we are joined now by ari berman, a senior writer at mother jones and author of "give us the ballot: the

count of people living in the united states that is their intent to start asking participants in the census about citizenship status the last time the question was asked of everyone was in one thousand nine hundred fifty critics immediately labeled this action is anti immigrant while the administration says the change is critical to the enforcement of the. voting rights act an important tool in protecting against racial discrimination during elections this begin with our political planet joining me from washington d.c. is chris wilson director of research in digital strategy for the ted cruzes campaign in two thousand and sixteen and he is c.e.o. of w d a intelligence and in new york nate lerner grassroots director of the bill the way of organization executive director of the democratic coalition and creator of the app hash tag boycott from. all right chris we'll start with you what's your reaction to the administration including this citizenship question i thought the census was about how many people are living in america well it's sort of common sense change in is that you read a missiona

i'm asking in the original is it the purpose of the census to find out how many people are living in america well it is and it still will do that and that's an important ethical you're exactly right but i think the assertion that somehow people would be afraid to now answer the census is a best speculative and at worst laughable if someone is afraid they are going to be arrested or deported because they fill out the census and check a box well the fact is they would have filled out the census in the first place if you're about to be arrested or you're afraid of being deported you're probably not responding to government questionnaires as it is i think with the states that you see that are going to file suit here the ones that know that they are counting people who are not voters and they are somehow and they are then drawing congressional districts that are representing people based on adults who can actually vote and so you are going to see states like california new york that have probably been over represented at the congressional level lose seats to those that are actually countin

added to the census, the sum effect would be bad census data. and yet, the trump administration is going ahead and doing it. they announced they are adding a citizen ship question to the next census, which is 2020. they are adding this question without even testing it, without doing any preparation on what effect this might have on the overall census. that's despite the fact that everybody who has run the census for the last 40 years says don't do it, it will screw everything up. they like decided they will pour sugar in the gas tank. why have they decided that? everybody says no, everybody knows it's really bad for your car to put sugar in the gas tank but yeah, they are going ahead they got a different idea. why is that? the census data we get every ten years is used to determine congressional seats, electoral votes, how hundreds of billions of dollars in federal funding is divaed up and how much health care and schools and areas and businesses use census data all the time and everybody that's over seen the gathering of the data in the past say

that's why the citizenship question on the census and the larger threat to the census more broadly are such a threat to democracy because they impact every single facet of our democracy. >> it's zero sum. there will be 435 members of the house and 538 electoral votes. if illinois new york and california lose population because you don't count the folks that are undocumented, they're going to go to other places. it's right, michelle? this has to do with something you've written. in your columns about the sort of desire to kind of use changes to the rules of the game to maintain a hold on power even as their coalition experiences demographic decline. >> it's not just a desire. it's a reality. they have done it. it's not just the fact that we have a minority president and it's not a coincidence it's the second minority president out of the last how many, three, four? and that they've both been republicans. so you see this kind of structural advantage for republicans at all levels of government. some of it is inherent to the way the population is distributed, liberals tend to be clustered

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over the census. e front page of the washington post this morning, they know that the confrontation over this question becomes another key factor hanging in the balance in the upcoming midterm election, with democrats gaining considerable leverage should they win control of either chamber come november. we want to know more about the controversy surrounding this question and bring in chase gunter, staff writer at the federal technology publication fcw. why is this question so controversial? guest: thanks for having me. the question is so controversial because census advocates and civil rights groups believe that asking the question will cause a chilling effect that will lower the response rate from minorities, because the census data is so important, the statistical foundation for it ise and public sector, constitutionally required and has been carried out every 10 years since 1790. it is the largest nonmilitary undertaking the government does, and its population data determines the allocation of tater

the census is so important. we have to get it right. there's so many things that are connected to it. particularly when it comes to apportionment in terms of our house of representatives, the state -- representatives from each state, and also in terms of federal funding for central essential services, medicaid, head start, school lunch program. so it's really important that we get it right. and what i'm concerned about is that this is partisan politics. i'm suspicious when, you know, republican-dominated state legislatures pass restrictive voter i.d. laws under the guise of protecting imaginary voter fraud. i'm equally suspicious when you have an attorney general who's not known for protecting voter rights suggesting that we include this request, which could seriously impact an accurate calendar. >> but, michael, the administration is saying the question about citizenship is being added to satisfy the justice department, who is looking for voter -- for a violation of the voting rights act. is there a problem with that rationale for you?

the year 1950 was the last time that the u.s. census required a question about citizenship from every respondent. that is about to change. there was a request to reinstate the question regarding citizenship on the 2020 census. this data is critical for section 2 of the voting rights act and important protections against racial discrimination in voting. the letter cited how the supreme court has held that section 2 of the voting rights about prohibits voter delusion by any jurisdiction engaged in redistricting. the change is drawing tremendous fire from different groups like the league of women voters. they say -- >> now the california attorney general is suing. he writes -- >> i don't know how it's illegal for a federal agency like the census bureau to ask questions. >> now the center for immigration studies notes that questions about citizenship have long been included in the american community survey, which is conducted every year on 3.5 million americans in the american households, about 15% of the nation. only 1.2% refused to share

and check a box well the fact is they would have filled out the census in the first place if you're about to be arrested or you're afraid of being deported you're probably not responding to government questionnaires as it is i think with the states that you see they're going to file suit here the ones that know that they are counting people who are not voters and they are somehow and they are then drawing congressional districts that are representing people based on adults who can actually vote and so you are going to see states like california new york that have probably been over represented at the congressional level lose seats to those that are actually counting united states citizens and i think one of the fundamental aspects of this that really you see a line drawn the sand is do you believe a congressional district should be a portion and allocated based on united citizens if you do that and you for this nate who should we know who is a citizen who is not. yeah absolutely he said the purpose of the census is the know how many people are in america there's a lot of reasons why

the census is about counting citizens. which in term determines political representation and federal funding levels, among other things. however, california's attorney general says this is about the trump administration trying to punish illegal immigrants. >> given the way that this administration had attacked immigrants. you can understand why immigrant families would be afraid to fill out the census questionnaire. adding a question on citizenship threatens to derail the integrity of the entire process. this latest move by the trump administration to threaten california is not just a bad idea. it's against the law. >> okay. that's a novel take on that. white house officials meantime insist this is not novel. in fact, they noted that it's been done for years. for that matter, it's the right thing to do. >> i would argue that this has been practiced of the united states government. the purpose is to determine individuals that are here. it also helps comply with the voting rights act. without that information, it's hard to ma

out of the gate the questions about the census. the expected inclusion with the final wording due by this weekend of a question of citizenship. >> progressives, states attorneys generals will have a fleury of activity to the commerce department to add the question about citizenship to the census. our colleague kristin welker put that question to sarah sanders. you heard sarah sanders say that she thinks or in the estimation of the commerce department, the department of justice that this is the right thing to do, to make sure that resources are properly allocated. the other main focus of today's briefing, of course, was stormy daniels. more to the point why the president has been conspicuously silent about stormy daniels even as her attorney is seemingly talking to any and everyone about their side of this alleged affair. sarah sanders when asked basically said one of the reasons why the president hasn't said anything is because he has a country to run even though our reporting suggests that he has asked privately aides and advisers

the u.s. illegally, would you say so on a census form? that's the subject of intense and emotional debate tonight after the commerce department announcement that a citizenship question will be on the 2020 census. correspondent doug mckelway looks at what that means. >> the administration deliver the news quietly be a press release last night at 9:29 p.m. after weeks of building controversy. "today the u.s. department of commerce announced a question on citizenship status will be reinstated to the 2020 census." immigration groups reacted with expected outrage. california's attorney general primitively filed suit. supporters noted that the question have been included in censuses until 1950. >> there's no proof he prevented anyone -- the attorney general of california xavier becerra has sued saying it is unconstitutional. >> in the letter requesting the change in december, doj noted citizenship data is critical to important productions. immigration rights groups rejected it. >> we see this as an intimidation designed to frighten immigrants fr

testing of the whole census so it's a very late to upset the basis of the census at this point. >> i guess the big concern for an undocumented immigrant is that if they feel they are answer this truthfully that immigration will hunt them down and try to kick them out of the country do you think that is the fear? >> the senses truly is confidential, these fears are unfounded. they are mistaken but the fears are out there and in the interest of some people they encourage them in the political arena but the census bureau does not share the data. we can expect that if the question goes on and is appears , it is going to frighten people. it may reduce response and it might encourage false sensors and we might get poor information about citizenship. >> we are all encouraged to fill out a form that we are not required under law to fill out the form and we're also not rick wired to answer every question on the form are we? >> we are required to answer that. >> all we are but these laws have not been aggressively enforced. >> if we skip a question do we get in trouble? what would happen? >> n

, every time we have had a census since 1965, with the one exception, the 2010 census. >> thehite house defending the decision. several democratic state attorney generals saying they will sue the trump mmpgz. adding the question can scare off undocumented immigrants from participating. >> the reason we haven't seen it in four, five decades, we know that it can dissuade people to participa participate. great to have all three of you here. what does the constitution say? >> the constitutional mandate on the census is clear. article one, section 2, and the 14th amendment say that all persons shall be considered counted in the enurmeration. that has been upheld by the supreme court. as recently as 2016. that was a redistricting case. we should count all, that will be a huge hurdle for the trump >> and so asking about citizenship here, chris, it does not appear based on the explanation from raul that it is illegal or not part of the intention, but it is a question that critics will say might keep away those who are not citizens of the united states. >> well, that is exactly right.

the whole census will be corrupted. at will affect every aspect of american democracy. >> we twhoe there are some on the right. these quote alt right who would love to have the change be that we only apportion resources based on who is a citizen and not on who is in the state. >> more than that, i think they would love to weaponize a list that tells people who is here and who is not supposed to be here through citizenship. there's a real concern what this administration would do with a list like that especially in the backdrop of the dreamers, muslim ban and daca. there's nothing to stop this administration from overstepping their authority to try to deport people and break families up and attack immigrants and minority families. that will lead to people not participating in the census and an undercount in minorities and population. this will have a kcascading affect that will far outlast this president. >> that information in the hands of i.c.e. will be why people are so afraid to answer this. thank you very much both o

this is the way until 2010, from 1970 to 2000, the full form, the long form census, always included theion of citizenship. and prior to 1950, for many, many decades every census form sent out to all americans included the citizenship question. this is not particularly controversial unto itself. i've heard the argument we heard from the attorney general of california, this will make illegal imdpranlts afraid to fill out the census. because they might be letting the government know that they aren't here legally. but that's not the question that is asked. it's not a question on the census, are you in the united states legally, it is are you a citizen. even if you answer no to that question you could should be a legal immigrant, are you not admitting to anything whatsoever. if the point under the law, which it ought to be, is apportionment and representation in congress should be based on the number of citizens in each jurisdiction, i see no problem with asking a citizenship based question on the census to the american people. >> shannon: does that make a difference,ca bring pri, it's not a

on the 2020 census. what kind of impact do you think this could have on communitiesing a crocommunities ing across the country? >> there are really two different kinds of impacts. first of all, there is this question that you raised in the open of whether or not it will disadvantage communities with large undocumented populations in terms of their ability to get federal grants for everything from schooling to law enforcement and the like. and the other question is that the census of course is used for the apportionment of seats in the house of representatives which is to say that when we go to redraw the congressional maps after 2020, you will determine the number of seats that each state has based on the population. and one of the things that might be interesting to see is whether or not there is any sort of effort particularly by the trump administration to use the is the zen ship numbers to determine how many seats should be in each state in congress. >> this is obviously a developing story so we'll ha

announcing its plans to ask, wait for it---- a citizenship question on the 2020 census. how dare they. plus a de beloved figure on the left is revealing what we already know and we know liberals think deep down about guns and the 2 nd amendment. and the pc mob puts one of america's most important historic figures at the top of its target list. but first the all but forgotten american t tragedies. that's the focus of "tonight's angle." >> laura: when donald trump announced his candidatesy the media reacted with horror to this statement. >> president trump: when mexico sends its people. they're not sending their best they are sending people that have lots of problems. they're bringing their problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're b rapists and some, i assume are good people. >> laura: whilean many, some at least quibbled with the formulation the president made there, they knew what he basically meant. maybe he shouldn't singled out mexico people are can coming from a lot of places doing us harm there. is continuous and sad evidence to subst

sex, age, gender, completely legal for the census to do that, they have done it in the past and continuing. heather: 12 states oppose this census question. any ground at all? >> the constitution text is clear. it calls for account of all persons residing within the united states. of the founding fathers wanted it to be specifically illegal residents or citizens they would have said so. we have plenty of data from other places that gives an accurate count of citizens but the purpose of the census is to have account of the population. anything that undermines that goal should be considered unconstitutional. heather: one of the issues is there will be less people inclined to fill out the census if they are not a legal citizen. >> you are not obligated, some religious groups don't fill out the census and it is not a deportation task force following them. important to know how many citizens versus noncitizens there are and with this information, better policy position, better legislation and it is good for the country. heather: one of those policies concern sarah huckabee sanders talked about w

on the newshour tonigh california sues the trump administration over a new census question on citizenship, arguing it violates constitutional rights. then, my conversation with former president jimmy carter-- we talk the current state of the trump administration and what to do about north korea. >> we're already on a pathway with north korea of a nuclear confrontation, but what they want is a guarantee that the united states will never attack them unilaterally. >> woodruff: plus, two friends, both librarians, and survivors of different school shootings use their shared experience to fight for change. >> it's too hard to believe. it was like surreal.th it was lik is really happening. it happened to you its happening at our school too? so yeah that was my first reaction. this can't happen ag >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. p>> major funding for the newshour has been provided by: >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. d by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like

wants to add a citizenship category to the 2020 census. re being sued by democratic attorneys general including the attorneys general from the state of california saying that it disproportionately targets immigrant communities, there will be fewer resources and it will jerrymander certain districts. she disputed all of that saying this is something the congress needs, the justice department thinks is a good idea in order to allocate resources throughout the country. addressing a number of controversial topics. the issue of the wall and stormy daniels not going away. >> no, not at all. i want to ask you about jared kushner. when she was asked about an investigation into him, she very notably went to her notes and read word for word. what exactly was she asked and what was the response? >> right. these ethical concerns about businesses accepting loans. sarah sanders saying there's no white house investigation into that right now and of course we've heard jared kushner's attorney, abby lowell weighing in on this as well saying this was looked

not been on the main census since 1950. jessica. >> thank you. >>> it turns out california is not alone. 19 other states are also suing to keep that citizenship question off the u.s. census form. a bay area congressman says it could affect their power in washington. >> if it has a great enough effect on suppressing the census, we could lose a house seat in california, which would put us -- our entire state at a disadvantage in regard to working in the congress. >> i think this is sinister, absolutely. it's more of the politics of extremism we see from this administration. >> this is yet another effort by the administration to stick it to california because we did not support president trump. >> now, we went ahead and contacted the california republican party, which refused to comment or even release a statement on the census proposal. >>> uber is putting the brakes on all its self-driving programs nationwide. the san francisco-based company made that announcement today less than a week after one of their self-driving cars ki

now that's not on the census. it's on the long form census but not on the census.said they had it there and the constitution requires that the census count everyone in the u.s. regardless how they got here. it doesn't mean -- to me can i see that a couple ways. it doesn't matter how you got here, do you belong here and have you signed the guest book. have you applied for citizenship? used to have a box and clear they want to put the box back. ainsley: i think it's interesting california says it's illegal to ask illegal aliens if they are american citizens. in fact, the attorney general in california xavier becerra, he put out this tweet he said #breaking filing suit against donald trump and his administration over decision to add citizenship question on the 2020 census includingth question is not just a bad idea, it is illegal, he says. steve: okay. so now keep in mind even november though they have not asked us on the official census for a number of years they do ask it every year on a survey called the american community survey the acs survey sent to fewer homes.

the census will ask about citizenship status. this could have a big change on federal funding and congressional lines. >>> international intrigue in beijing. a train shrouded in secrecy. motorcades in the streets overnight. is kim jong un in china? good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. we start with the big move from the u.s. 60 russian diplomats have one week to pack up and leave the united states. president trump ordering it as part of the effort with european and other allies. the move is a response to the poisoning in the u.s. k of the double agent and his daughter. senior officials say all of those the u.s. is expelling has been identified as intelligence agents. >> also ordering the closure of the russian consulate near seattle. this is the president's most forceful action so far. not related to the election meddling. this announcement came from the press secretary. the white house would only say this. >> the united states has issued sanctions on key russian oligarchs in the respon

the reason we have a census, the reason we established a census, it was important to have an accurate count of the entire american population in order to make sure we were properly representative in the house. also that we had statistics about where there was a need for federal funding projects. that it was properly distributed. they wanted to avoid people who didn't feel they were being represented. but let me add this is about a situation where you had i think here, it says in my notes, you had 63% participation in the census in 2010. in the 1970s, 75% of the people in the country participated. right now the estimate is that it's going to go down to around 50, 55% of the american population will participate. the objection apart, to pick up on the point, it's that that trump reelection campaign has sent out a notice to its fund-raisers saying let's get behind this. we want this. we want this. you've got to stop and think then, is this about politics? this is not about getting an accurate count. >> jesse: i will ask this to greg van. if there were a bunch of russians hiding out in cal

every time we've had a census since 1965 with the exception of the 2010 census. >> ultimately this is disproportionately affect blue states. do you acknowledge as much, when you talk about voting rights? >> i think that it will determine the individuals in our country and provide information that allows us to comply with our own laws and with our own procedure procedures. >> you said it ultimately determines how resources are allocated. doesn't that mean that fewer resources will be allocated to immigrant communities? >> nochlt we've seen this in practice before and this is something that the commerce department feels should be part of the census. for anything specific and further information, i would refer you to them. >> i wanted to ask one about the wall. first, the president's meeting now or just finished with secretary mnuchin and wondered if you could talk about what was on the agenda for that meeting and specifically if they're discussing the president's request to find new ways to limit chinese technology investments. i know that's something that certainly has been on the fore

the census. >> tucker: do you know what? s take the race questions off. >> the constitution says hey we need to count people. if you are a male tore female, great. when you talk about representation. >> tucker: what do you mean great? slow down. why is it a difference? it's a different story because you think it might dilute the political power of illegal aliens who i could add, i'm not a lawyer like you, shouldn't be here in the first place. but you are not bothered by sex or race. so let's just stop pretending. let's drop the that sad and stop playing the stupid game where we pretend it's about your concerns about the constitution of a country that you are not even allowed to be in because i think you are here illegally, too. it's about pure political power. it's about one side trying to take back power from the other. and like let's be adults about it. can we do that or keep it -- >> that shows it's a concern of you that you are afraid if you count undocumented immigrants that's going to dilute your power. it's not about p

the census -- they are going to ask how many rooms you have, but they can't ask if you are a citizen?inistration says it must chang. the battle, next. in the corps, so i'm not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. knowing that usaa will always have my back... that's just one less thing you have to worry about. we are the cochran family, and we'll be usaa members for life. charles: a political firestorm raging across the country as the trump administration announced the 2020 census will ask people if they are citizens of the united states. 13 states, including california and new york are planning to sue the government to block the question from appearing on a census form. stephanie, i don't think any state is making more noise than california. what is the deal? i think the first question should be are you a citizen. >> exactly. americans across the country are wondering why this question hasn't been on the census form for quite some time. this is not controversial whatsoever. this is important information that we need to know. if you loo

to the u.s. census. the commerce department insists that will help protect minorities. but the critics say they expect the opposite effect. an explanation and who's right? let's get to it. >> breaking news, "shepard smith reporting" live at the foxnews desk. >> the russians accuse america of blackmailing other nations. a live look at the state department where the spokesperson is expected to address reporters in he moment now. we'll listen in. we expect the new russian accusation to be a major topic. moscow stepping up threats of retaliation at this hour as the list of countries kicking out russian diplomats grows by the hour. hours ago sarah sanders talked about what this means about relations to the russians. >> russian government must under there's serious consequences for destabilizing actions. this large growing response makes it clearer than ever that improved relationship will only be possible if the government changes its behavior. >> 127 countries now expelled at least 151 russian officials. yo

census? a patient? >> the average number of patients occupying beds at the hospital. >> do you have -- have you been able to identify the reason why the census has increased? >> well, there are a number of reasons and it's never kind of a clear item that you can point to but influenza is one reason and it's something we're seeing at hospitals around the city, not just our own hospital. so there are a number of reasons that contribute to it and as mse of the things that we're watching closely is this bump in time that's going to go back to levels that we had seen previously or is this a new normal based on just the patterns of hospital utilization in the city. it can be a bunch of things. it can be illness and public-health factors in the city. it can be how many people end up being transported to san francisco general versus other hospitals for care or proximity reasons so i don't have a clear answer. >> what is the benchmark we're using to determine baseline levels for the census? >> sure, so four our budgete

do you think the census ought to be allowed to ask people's race? >> i think we should have i a simple count. maybe no we shouldn't have. how many people live in your house? that's it. what's what the constitution requires. it's all about allocation and representation.ha >> tucker: what about male or female? should it ask that? is that unconstitutional too. >> i think if a person wants to designate hey, i'm a male. i'm a female. let them answer that question. >> tucker: hold on. that wasn't the question. the census asks, are you a man or a woman? are you non-hispanic white? are you african-american? are you american indian? now it's going to ask are you a citizen. only one of those questions bothers you, not because of the constitutionality of it but because you think it might dilute the political power of illegal aliens. let's stop pretending this is about the constitution because it's not. >> i am agreeing with you that it should be counting people based on people, not about representation. >> tucker: okay, so you're going to go back to your associ

>> it's not what the census was designed to do, but two things. is that we know, because of what the trump administration's priorities have been on immigration, we know that they have a motivation to try to -- they are trying to, and have successfully deported more people that i would like to see to be able to preferably be able to stay here legally. but that's not what the census was designed to do. it was supposed to get an accurate count and it's just a fact that when you start asking people whether or not they're citizens, you're not going to get an accurate count of who actually is here in the country. so to mess with it that way, i think it will have a damaging impact. >> this is definitely emerging as a huge fight about to take place in the united states. let's get to a couple other sensitive issues. the former vice president, joe biden, he has some tough talk to president trump. he repeated a line from speeches he said before that he said if they were both teenagers, he would take president trump behind the school and beat him up. the pres

on the census this is way overblown. e democrats the money, apportionment comes with this also, there are grants that go with population numbers, they don't want the american people to know what the true number of illegal aliens in the state of california is. people will get quite a shock to the system if it was known how much subsidy is necessary to pay for these programs, the federal government sending checks to illegal aliens. jillian: in accurate census data has serious applications, 132 programs used census bureau data to distribute $675 billion in funds. >> closing arguments in a pulse terrorist widow, noor salman is charged with instruction of justice and aiding and abetting omar mateen in that shooting. her attorney claim she was an innocent victim, not an accomplice but prosecutors say she knew about her husband definitely plans and did nothing to stop it. omar mateen killed 49 people in his isys inspired attack, noor salman faces life in prison. high alert as the fbi warns explosive packages could still be in th

. >> i want to talk a little about the census. a lot of critics have concerns that including a citizenship question will discourage immigrants from participating. can you talk how the government will address those concerns? sec. sanders: this is a question that has been included in every census since 1965, with the exception of 2010, when it was removed. we have contained this question to provide data necessary for the department of justice to protect voters, specifically to help us better comply with the voting rights act, something which is important and part of this process. this is something that has been part of the census for decades, and something the department of commerce felt strongly needed to be included again. >> is this some kind of campaign, or some kind of outreach for states like california with large immigrant populations, to make sure they are counted appropriately? sec. sanders: i would refer you to the department of commerce. >> the president has reached out to a number of high-profile lawyers to take him on as

change of subject, but relat in ay because it's administration policy, david, as we learned from the census bureau, from the administration, the trumpti administ, that what the census folks are going to do in 2020 is add a question about people's citizenship, raising all kinds of questions about whether this is going to be a deterrent to people

, in marketing the census, and getting people to take the census. citizenship that have legal status. we want to make sure they're counted. to most americans this say head scratcher. why are they opposed? >> bill: here's what the administration argues. this is about -- based on citizens and not residents. why's that so irrational? >> if you're asking me, bill, over 11 million people in this country are not citizens and actually we're not going to know the true number if this goes forth. people -- not just undocumented immigrants, but immigrant who are legal will be afraid to take the census and they'll end up in the recycling bin and the trash and not just in the aspect of voting. david, where do you get the two-thirds support of the president. the most i've seen is 40% on the best day. >> the support of the policy and poll after poll shows 66% or higher support the principles laid out. let's also keep in mind, leslie said they're so concerned they won't fill out the ken -- census. if they're that concerned this question will keep them from filling o

the 2020 census will now ask people whether they're u.s. citizens. what happens if noncitizens are too afraid to fill out the forms. the new policy and how it could impact you next. >>> plus, new legal dra m ma surrounding the president this morning. stormy daniels who claimed she had an affair with donald trump back in 2006, is suing trump's personal lawyer. through it all, president trump uncharacteristically silent. more on that coming up. you're watching "velshi and ruhle" live on msnbc. le things . that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of de

question has been on the census since 1950. the trump administration maintaining it's critical for important protections against racial discrimination in voting. the letter cited how the supreme court has held that section 2 of the voting rights act prohibits who fear that immigrants will shy away from participating in the census, potentially resulting in a loss of congressional representation and much more. >> our biggest fear that is we're going to get an inaccurate census. census data is used for the next 10 years to allocate resources, to different communities, as well as representation nationally. it's not about drawing district lines, having the right number of congressional seats. >> the center for immigration studies disagrees, noting that questions about citizenship have long been included in a government surveyed conducted every year on a sampling of 3.5 million households, about 15% of the population. it found only 2.1% of participants refused to share citizenship data in that survey. it's unclear whether it's that at