the cia needs to reflect the face of this country.hat is what my goal is as the director of the cia. a fine recruiting effort has already begun to do that. the cia is viewed as a great place to work. is a challenging place to work. we get more than one of the 40,000 applications at the cia way. if there is a new james bond movie that comes out, we get more applications. [laughter] our retention rate is one of the best in government. right now, new officers who come in, we lose less than 1% we have a great retention rate. almost 1/3 of our new hires this year are minorities. that is good. we can do even better. we want to significantly increase the hiring of minorities in collection and analysis and their inclusion in student intern programs, as well. we aim to expand national origin hiring, first and center set -- second-generation americans and substantially boost the number of new officers with foreign languages. above all, we are widening our recruitment pool by going to more places that offer a rich variety of talent. historically

clearly was a subject that w not a winner to oppos the cia in the-- after 9/11 in any way. i have to say i think the american public was on board for a lot of this. of your member back to the-- of john walker lind i remember writing a story. people on my own block looked at me why the one to write about that? his case collapsed. they announced attorney general ashcroft describes him a a major terrorist and by the time he was convicted every count had been dropped. what happen to? you write about it. but it was uncomfortable then and certainly for the politicians. >> host: then why are we talking so much about it now? why is it a topic of debate on the hill and interest of the public? >> volume sure the president's popularity rating is at 28%. it is not so scary to take on the bush administration at this point* the other thing is both nominees from both parties mccain and obama have spoken out against told -- torture and it took mccain in many ways to make the subject one of a political fight that coulde voed out loud. he was a republican, had been tortured, war hero, nobody

overall the cia is fine. by the way if you think dick cheney's standing could be any lower i don't know how it could be any lower. when you think about weapons of mass destruction. laura: i care about trends. >> how about the law? laura: how about keeping us safe for eight years, juan. laura: that's why i love having you both on on a monday. juan and mary katharine great to see you both. directly ahead, how is the investigation affecting the morale at the cia? we will speak to an insider. and then, do it for teddy, as in do health care for teddy is the democrats' rallying cry on capitol hill. is it working? we are going to present the evidence when we come back. um bill-- why is dick butkus here? i hired him to speak. a lot of fortune 500 companies use him. but-- i'm your only employee. we're gonna start using fedex to ship globally-- that means billions of potential customers. we're gonna be huge. good morning! you know business is a lot like football... i just don't understand... i'm sorry dick butkus. (anno

will this probe of the cia make the s. more vulnerable to terrorist attacks? pat buchanan?we will lose invaluable assets. mr. cheney is exactly right, john. the terrorists, one of the things revealed was a huge bomb plot against camps just like the marines in the barracks at the airport and beirut. that's one of the things he gave up. he gave up a sleeper cell guy in ohio who's now in prison for 20 years. he gave up all kinds. he gave his battle order and all their plans up, and he did it because of some brutal and nasty methods, no doubt about it. it's undeniable, but cheney is right. to go after these guys down the line who were doing their duty, had no criminal motivation other than to protect you and me, it seems to be unjust. it seems to be outrageous, foolish. obama could have done the same thing with the report. these were the techniques used. we don't want them anymore, we don't think they are honorable. but to go after these guys is outrageous. >> eleanor? >> khalid shaikh mohammed did give up those bits of information you cited, but according to the cia memos that

the michigan lawmaker will have more on the cia probe and what the fallout will be if indeed the cia e able to interrogate terrorists, what does that mean for the safety of america, that answer and much, much more, kelly. >> it was meant to be a compromise bill, one that would get republicans on board. instead, both sides now are balking at senator max baucus' health reform plan. he had proposed raising money for it by taxing insurers on their policies. those so-called cadillac policies. critics fear that could hit the stick-- hit the sick not the stick, hit the sick and elderly hard because they're often times charged more or choose plans with better benefits. here to talk about it all. fox news political analyst, angela and doug showen. good to see you. >> hi. >> i know you well, and you're passionate about health care reform. this plan, which many anticipate would be a no-brainer for republicans and democrats because of removing that so-called government plan, the public option plan, but it's not doing that. it's falling on deaf ears so once again we find ourselves with another pro

for some reason i'm not trusting the cia on that one. >> wait. let me stop you there. important. that's sort of -- that's the -- important and interesting thing. he's saying he doesn't want the investigation but tobts what the cia is saying about him. >> actually, it is -- he doesn't want special prosecutors involved. right now there -- as i'm sure you know there is an investigation going on and he fully supports that. there is a little puzzle about the lack of, you know, responsibility part. you know, if you want -- have an investigation and find things -- find out people did things that are wrong, then you would -- like to have something done about that. which he doesn't quite go that far. i don't think that -- i don't think it is all his fault or that we should pin this all on him, back checking here. as you well know, his position now is pretty much identical to obama's. who also scaled back on his promise to prosecute torturers. >> sure. the question is whether or not senator john mccain will continue to be some sort of moral leadership on the issue of torture. wh

and t second is that the dision wasn't between the cia and the fbi, you had cia professials who were you and wanted toontinue. and on the other side ofhe equation was a private contractor who was not even a government employee. could you comment on those observations? >> yes, sir. it has been reported that it was a conflict during the interrogation between fbi and a. i totally disagree. and that's something that i meioned -- >> in the field level at least? >> at the field level, yes. that's why i supported the cia in the "new york times" on this issue. they were 100% supported. actually the chief psychologist objected to these techniques. they are t interrogator was 100% i think in sync with our view because he' a professional interrogate tour. i think using the harsh methods or using the enhanced methods misunderstand the threat that we face from ideological extremist. and countries around the world inhe middle east who use this as regully as possible pedaled away when it comes to the terrorists of al qaeda. and islamic. they are ideologically motivated. they are expecting a lot to h

i will say to you, i am having the privilege to serve on the cia external had vise reboard. i will tell you how impressed i am that the men and women are focused on the mission and gathering intelligence and protecting the american people. this poor agency, it's one of the few agencies in the government where their failures or their venn vulnerableability having sat through the meeting, i can assure you that the men and women of the cia since my time leading government in january of 2008 have continued to develop additional capabilities, have continued to strengthen their existing capabilities, having continued to strengthen their alliances with foreign intelligence services around the world, and result of those we do see successes. whether it's counterterrorism, the disruption of the recent plot, we hit, there are public servants who's name and faces the american people will never know that deserve our praise and thanks for that. you know, the -- whenever you are in government particularly the senior level you realize that one of your greatest challenges beside maintaining t

the cia needs to reflect the face of this country. that is what michael is as director of cia. -- that is what my goal is as director of cia. we get more than 140,000 applications at the cia, almost 400 per day. if there is a new james bond movie, we get even more applications as a result of that. [laughter] our attention -- retention rate is one of the best in government. right now and new officers -- right now new officers that come in, we lose less than 1%. almost one-third of our new hires this year are minorities. that is good. but we can do even better. we want to significantly increase minorities and their inclusion in student intern programs as well. we aim to expand national origin hiring. and substantially boost the number of new officers with foreign languages. above all we are widening our improvement -- recruitment pool by going to more places that offer a rich variety of talent ed candidates. we have already started recruitment efforts at 17 other schools this semester -- 17 of your schools this semester. we enjoyed worki

the heads of the cia, cia chiefs, you know the names.oup it's nonpartisan. some worked for democratic presidents and some for republican presidents and sent a letter to president obama asking him to stop the inquiry, the investigation into whether or not in the days and years after 9/11 the enhanced interrogation techniques used were appropriate or inappropriate or even criminal. they do not want more investigations into this. >> and the reason of course as the investigation unfolded as critics alleged these documents that vice-president cheney said would vindicate him have not been released by the cia and some suggest that this investigation should go on. we talked earlier and i asked him whether or not this was a valid reason for this, a former cia operative. listen to his response. >> i'm not about fair and balanced in this issue. fair and balanced is that the cia-- they are big boys, big girls, they are the best of the best, the brightest of the bright and i'm telling you, if they continue this path of clamping us, cuffings us, we ar

>> there was not -- when the cia does an internal investigation and inspector general's report, they call it, it's done by people in the inspector general's office who are often not experts on the area they're investigating. so, every office is given a chance to prepare a reclama who help the i.g. understand what the report was about. what was done after the report was prepared to be -- the inspector general's report, was a document that described all of the processes and all of the successes of the interrogation program. it showed, for example, bill, that harsh interrogation methods, waterboarding, were never the first option used. that they were always the last option. it also -- the report also documents that when khalid sheik mohammed was arrested. he taunted agency officers saying that you are too soft. you will never get any information from me. bill: why wasn't that report made public though? why didn't we get it? it's still not made public. >> it's still not made public. the president and attorney general holder have refused to publish it because it contradicts everything they

of three books, the first challenging the secret government which is about the investigations of the cia and the fbi following watergate. the second book titled spy queen which is a biography of elizabeth bentley and her third book, the book that we are going to be discussing today, "real enemies" conspiracy theories and american democracy, world war i to 9/11. so i would like to begin with an incident in your bk that i found particularly revealing about really the whole tme of the book and a lot of what has been going on in the u.s. in this goesack to 1992 when bill clinton had been elected president. and he called and his longtime friend, webster hubble and you recount how he talked to his friend who he was thinking of planning to appoint to a high position in the administration and he gave him a couple of secret oebs. he asked him to questions that you recall in the book for good the first was who killed jfk d the secgnd was are there ufo's? as i was reading this i was thinking wow, how do we get to that point in u.s. history that this young, very bright, very well educated president

the secretary outlined some of the broad features of the cia. i want to underscore that for the first time and we have been doing these agreements at the department for a number of years, this is really reaching into new territory. pfizer will be under obligation to proactively identify potential risks associated with the promotion of individual products. they have to implement plans to mitigate risks. we have internal and an external compliance requirements as well as a very robust plan going forward to avoid this kind of conduct from happening again. >> could that will be employed if they violate the cia? >> it could be employed. it is important to understand that this settlement is for the benefit of american tax payers to return significant dollars that were spent on the programs. it is also for the protection of our beneficiaries who count on drug pipelines from a variety of manufacturers including this one for it is important to understand both cost and benefit as we proceed in putting together a court integrity agreement that is strong, th

a short statement from the current cia director that reads, in part. a former intelligence official tells me that the real casualty here in his opinion is the career intelligence officer who thought following the law would protect them from partisan politics. trace: catherine herridge live from washington. thank you. it looks like the flu season is getting an early start. now we are learning more about just how much vaccine could be available and when. plus, a disturbing new look inside the home of the man accused of keeping a girl captive for 18 years. that's coming up as fox reports tonight. pothole:h no...your tire's all flat and junk. oh, did i do that? here, let me get my cellular out - call ya a wrecker. ...oh shoot...i got no phone ...cuz i'm a pothole...so....k, bye! anncr: accidents are bad. anncr: but geico's good. with emergency road service. ding! are working from the road using a mifi-- a mobile hotspot that provides up to five shared wi-fi connections. two are downloading the final final revised final presentation. - one just got an email.

trace: 7 former cia directors urging the administration to drop the investigation into the cia investigation probe. why the white house refuses, and what the washington post is now saying about attorney general eric holder's role in this case. surprising new information next. plus, that is a hang glider crashing. you can barely street the strong waves -- you can barely see the strong winds by the rocky cliff. the dangerous rescue attempts and the video to match next. martha: very important hearing scheduled for right now at gtmo 4911 conspirators after the military judge granted the united states request for a 60- day delay now in the trial, and we are going to have more government reviews, so another waiting period before those trials get back under in the middle box, there are new details coming out about the h1n1 slow virus vaccine. studies now say that children 10 and older will need just one dose, which is a big relief for parents to have to take them there, while younger children under 10 are still going to need two doses. in the bottom, the 747 carrying the space shuttle on piggyback

first, the explosive development in the obama administration's criminal investigation into the cia. seven former directors of the spy agency are asking the president to stop the investigation into the techniques used on terror suspects after 9/11. at the techniques -- the interrogations took place under the bush administration. eric holder announced last month that an independent panel will investigate the allegations of abuse against the cia. catherine herridge has the details. investigators have considered this for some time, right? >> i talked to a senior intelligence a -- official who told me that the real trick was finding a language that would be firm and clear, yet respectful and professional, because it would be directed at the president himself. rick: what does his letter say? >> there are two parts that sum up its essence. attorney general holder's decision to reopen the investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the department of justice had previously declined to cross to -- prosecute. moreover, there is no reason to expect that the r

so the cia refuses to help in investigating the deaths of these sailors. now another piece of it is this:ding the embassy bombings investigation in 1998, the fbi threw some brilliant investigation uncovered the fact that one of the bombers had gone -- after the explosion, to a pay phone and placed a call to a telephone number in yemen. the man who lived there was a man named ahmed. he was close to al qaeda. as it happened, bin laden called that same number from the satellite phone shortly afterwards. the fbi realized that this was an al qaeda switchboard. and through tracking the telephone calls that were made to and from and then from those numbers that are called elsewhere, they were able to draw a map of the international reach of al qaeda. they could see, by calling here to hamberg and so on, they could see where al qaeda was. it happens that one of the two men that flew in january of 2000 from there to san diego was the son--law of the man who owned that pne. his daughter was pregnant. and he called her eight times. now thesa of course was recording t

the cia self-reported this. it was reviewed by congress and the justice department. the cia held some individuals accountable through internal procedures and the justice department did prosecute one individual from breaking the rules and breaking the law. they prosecuted them successfully. >> that is the case of someone who died in afghanistan, at the hands of an interrogator, in afghanistan. >> i believe that is correct. yes. we have a new administration coming in and as far as we can determine there is no new evidence presented saying here is new information. we need to reinvestigate what the previous justice department, the career professionals, the determination they made. in many cases this is almost like double jeopardy. >> congressman, to that point it isn't really double jeopardy because these are cases where one set of prosecutors looks at it through one filter. but there was an election. we have heard many instances where there is an investigation going on into the politicization alleged of the justice department in the previous administration. wouldn't you

the same. mike sheehy, frederick hitz is another former cia ag. he will start talking about the presidential oversight statute regulates relations between the two branches. it sets the ground rules for lawyers representing the interests of the legislative and executive branches. britt will follow with an executive branch perspective. there will be 15 to 20 minutes each. that should lead time for questions if i stopped talking, so i will. -- that should leave enough time for questions i stopped talking -- that should leave enough time for questions. >> i see a lot of familiar faces and the room. i know each of the gentleman to my right quite well. if they think they can get away with throwing a cream pie in my face, well, probably they can. i want to make a remark or two about the subject matter. i think it's fabulous that you're getting into this issue of ethical and moral responsibility as it affects lawyers. i am part of the dark ages of legal education. i believe the only specific legal ethics issue that my professors in three years of law schoo

does that not empower the cia? m is in happened during wartime, and in the meantime, you have these people that we really need focusing on items like a.q. khan and pakistan, the man responsible for nuclear proliferation with the world's worst terror sponsoring nation, and you had united arab emirates just intercepting a ship full of munitions -- it is a dangerous world, and we need them focused on that, and instead of that, we have a war between them and the cia, and in the near term, you are going to have cia officials having to hire lawyers, having to worry about protecting themselves at a time when they kept the nation state, and they ought to be focused on their jobs. greta: -- when they have kept the nation safe, and they ought to be focused on their jobs. greta: are they being week? >> i think they are trying to appease their party -- are they being weak? >> i think they're trying to appease their party, the left. we are a nation at war, and in addition to announcing this investigation, they have also now move

juan, with national security we have the admiral coming up behind you. ciadirectors, they write him a letter. was that not merely mouth? >> i am surprised that you. what you have to understand is that the democratic congress led by the far left, people that you keep an eye on, they will have an investigation. he can shut down justice. he cannot tell the u.s. congress not to have an investigation. bill: he will not do that. what do you say? >> several people, two days before, said that these interrogations' are compromising national security. it is ironic that the president will not call for a change with acorn on tape. bill: that is a bigger issue. i agree, the interrogation deal is much bigger. what about the meanness and the rudeness? this has got to be directed at fox news? not 100%, but that is rude. they did not do the interview with chris wallace. people are thinking that o'reilly is part of the problem. i am rude sometimes, but always in pursuit of the story. >> do not forget, obama talked to you. bill: i do not know if you live again. >> i think that

however, having said that, if anyone within the cia ordered or was a part of interrogating people with torture, whether at guantanamo bay or in countries like morocco or iraq. that is a direct violation of the geneva conventions. must be held accountable. i do think showing people in picture gitmo pictures, no. bill: investigate those kind of things. these people running around with their cameras, stalking the cia people, taking their pictures in public places, you say that's despicable, correct? i just want to be clear. do you? >> i do because obviously we have an alleged terrorist. bill: you are with me on that. now, henican were you me on that. >> i don't like unmasking cia agents. i think the government needs to try to sold it i see eric holder of the justice department take the same position. bill: you, leslie and i all agree this is ridiculous. let's go to iran. iran gave the finger, i'm sorry to use the crude expression to the world this week. we are not going to stop our nuclear weapons and you can't do anything about it. you're president henican, god help us. >> things would b

attorney, and prosecutor for the cia leak case. he's the man responsible for getting judith miller in jail. he also subpoenaed her cell phone records and got cell phone records. to me this is his third enuragement on the first amendment. why would he care? in peter lance's book was meaningly or some crazy conspiracy theory, why would a man of his level bother? well, people watching this at home, you can ask yourself, you'll have an answer for why he didn't want this book to see the light of day. ali mohammed, there are few figures in the history of radical to match ali. okay? in my first book, but before i get to that, let me mention in any great war or military combat, and we have a friend of mine who's a distinguished navy veteran. and my father was the navy chief, i'm proud to say. in any great war you need two things. operations and intelligence. you need somebody on the ground blowing things up, and you need spies to figure out what the other side knows so can you beat your enemies. okay? so ali mohamed filled the role. okay? b

the cia does conspire to kill foreign leaders ando as a result you have more furious about secret government agents and secret government conspiracies and the united states than in culturest have lessostility to government and that hava government that is morepen. >> host: with on pact if you, there's a lot in tre. first off, why are americans so anticentral -- government. where does that come from? >> fuest: thers a lot of historical work that goes back the 18th century, and the fear of the british in the colony and the belief that if you have to act much power in the central government, then the peop in america have less power. >> host: but it's really, shall we say linker? still quite common, so it is just in our cultura dna? >> guest: yet, that's what some people think, right. >> host: what about what personality part? you talked about psychological. i know it or not a psychologist, but in your analysis of the six tables, does there seem to be a personality type or couple of personality type that are pne to be leaving this theory? >> guest: there is a political tight and that scientis ha

seven former heads of the cia have signed a joint letter to obama. king him to stop the interrogation of cia interrogators because it would harm. joining from us washington is one of those former cia chiefs jim wol is i. what i'm not getting here leon panetta agrees with you, that this is destructive to national security and then president obama goes on the sunday shows yesterday and says, you know, i respect you guys but i'm not going to override my attorney general who, you know, the integrity of the investigation, i'm going it's national security, mr. president, why aren't you getting that? and you say, what? >> well, one thing if this were arand new investigation it would be one thing. this was all done several years by career prosecutors. bill: they don't trust it. the left is driving. this the aclu is driving it holder is a left-wing guy. they don't trust the investigation four years ago. it's as simple as that. >> i don't think they have any real substantive quarrel with the investigation. they certainly haven't stated any. bill: why would the

morale of the cia. fect on their willingness to do what they have to do. >> they vealated clear guidelines. in these specific cases. >> i'm glad you've seen the results of the investigation. but i believe it is still underway. >> right. but the investigation is underway. they haven't indict anybody yet and they're simply going after people who were given very clear guidelines and operated outside those guidelines. why is that a problem? >> why don't you ask leon panetta. as you know, he argued very strenuously and he is a democrat but he is an american first, as we all should be, americans first. and he thought that even understanding what the justice department was saying, that it was a very bad move to investigate our cia officers. i happen to agree with the director. i happen to agree with the vast majority of the american people that we need a cia that is looking at those who want to attack us, instead of looking over their shoulder at our own justice department. >> former governor george pataki. it

he has a particular close contact with the cia, so they call allen in london, in this bizarre phonecall that is described in the book. c-span: first dwayne calls and says something like, do you still have your friends in london, this sort of code conversation going back and forth. ultimately net calls and lays out the story of the saboteur, lays out the sry of this individual, this japanese executive. c-span: made it up. >> guest: pons le is the whole story was fiction. he was a real guybut he never made the phonecall whitaker had just made it up, so he tells, nick andrea as tells allen andreas in london about this sinister phonecall that he heard about and allen goes to the cia, and says help us. the cia in turn refers, bause it is a crimil matter, it is a la enforcement matter, it is an extortion plot is centrally and they refer it to the fbi back in the united states so in n tim a couple of days actually the phonecallo the cia, the fbi shows up indicators sayinwhat is this about a soteur? it w so ironic that ultimately the whole sabotr story was a phony, it never happened. and then t

at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. connell: 74 cia directors asking the president to squash the probe of detainee interrogations'. catherine? >> within the letter, three points are made. first, the president should use his power to do -- to reverse the decision to reopen the investigation into cia interrogation. moreover disclosures about cia collection operations will continue to make it harder for intelligence officers to maintain the momentum of operations that have saved lives and help protect america from further attacks. late today there was a response from the cia director, leon panetta. he said that the director appreciates the president's strong support for the men and women of the cia and that he stood up with those who followed legal guidance on the interrogations'. connell: big story, thank you for that. now, fears over iran. hillary clinton, hitting back, saying that dropping the missile shield in europe will make america safer. the shield is gone and the meeting is on. the u.s. is set to sit down with iran october 1. my

the cia does for example conspired to kill foreign leaders so as a result you have more theory about et government agency, secret government conspiracies in the united states than you do d cultures that have less stility to government and that have government that is more open. >> host: there is a lot in there. first off, why are americans so anti-central government? where does all of that come from? >> guest: there is a lot of historical work on that but reallyt goes back to the 18th-century and a fear of the british crown in the colies and the belief that if you have too much power in the central government, then the people in america have less power. >> host: but it has really, shall we sayingered? it i still qte common so it is jus in our cultural dna? >> guest that is what some people think, right. >> host: what about the personality part? you talk about psychological theories. i know you are not a psychologist but in many of their net analyses of these incints that there seemed to be have a personality type for a couple of personality types that seem to be more prone? >> guest:

the hypocrisy, the woman called the cia liars and still hasn't explained what they lied to them for. watching her cry. she is crying really because everybody hates her. democrats, every time they see her on the air they wimp. conservatives should love her because she is going to make us look really good in 2010. every day she is out there, she is the worse thing that could happen for barack obama. he has to rein in the loans, nancy pelosi and jimmy carter. >> i will see your left is really crazy with the right is really, really, really crazy. take that. i don't need to bring the facts, greg. >> greg: , look, this is a woman that was talking about a very difficult time in the late '70s. >> true. >> for her and the city. i myself struggled with things in the late '70s. i was just beginning to discover my thumb. i had difficult potty training and i still struggle with both things. >> and look how you turned out. >> there is nothing going on that remotely resembles san francisco. she wouldn't even though. she gets off her personal jet into her mansion back into her congressional suite. >>

it could end up reflecting partly on the democrats, as well as the republican era cia. s like this before. do they ever really get a response from the president of the united states? do you expect that he will respond to this letter? >> if he does not respond directly, i think the white house will be asked about this. there will have to be a response. these kind of letters carry weight because they're not written by lawmakers to their written by a career intelligence officials. they're written by people who were supposed to be above politics. and especially when you have a whole bunch of them together, putting their names on the line, it carries a lot of significant weight. martha: a big development back on the front burner. bill sammon, thank you. trace: good news, bad news about the h1n1 virus. the centers for disease control says the flu season has begun earlier than normal, but the current vaccine and treatments already available will make it hurt a lot less. a new fox poll shows more than half of americans are somewhat or very concerned about the spread of the swine

these are the same individuals who have been attacking the cia. they have a different way of building a strong and effective community. i think that at a certain point in time, after these folks have gone through this, we need to recognize the they are taking the various jobs and most risky jobs in america. we need to support them and stand by them after they have been cleared by the previous justice department. we cannot put them through continuous jeopardy where their careers and actions are going to be judged on going from one to the next. it is not fair to the individuals. greta: thank you, congressman. next, is president obama the political meddler in chief? is he out of line sticking his nose in a political battle outside of washington? later, hope that this is not your politician. drunk, stripped down, trying to hail a cab near the white house. stick around. greta: well, sneaking around, president obama is the meddler in chief, the president sending back channel messages to david paterson, telling him to hang it up and not run for governor o

in a letter arguing that it would hurt the cia's operations and morale. wendell goler with the news. is he live at the white house. wendell? >> trace, there is word that any investigation, if it happens, would involve just a handful of cia investigators. but that's not reassures lawmakers that feel there should be no investigations at all. the president points to his promise not to let politics trump the rule of law. >> i want to make sure that as president of the united states that i am not asserting in some way that my decisions overrule the decisions of prosecutors who are there to uphold the law. >> critics say the president is overruling the decisions of bush administration charges. and there are reports attorney general eric holder didn't personally read the so-called declinations the so-called bush lawyers filed saying why they declined to prosecute. >> what it tells me is it was a premeditated decision. there was nothing that was going to turn attorney general holder from this decision. there was nothing that was going to turn this white house from

ginsburg hi, i'm with the fox news channel. you are putting cia lives in danger. >> you need to talk to the people at the john adams project. that's not at all true. >> cia agents put a lot of people in danger. they put the country in danger. they put american soldiers overseas in danger. >> you are showing pictures of cia agents to terrorists, al qaeda terrorists. that's just despicable. >> that's not true. >> what are you doing then? what is the john adams project. >> why are you following me around into a drugstore. >> ma'am, you have hired research to follow cia agents around all over the place and showed them to al qaeda terrorists, the same people who organized september 11th. >> what they did was try and find out who the names and the identities of the people who tortured illegally tortured people because the government won't turn over that information. and people in this country have a right to defend themselves. >> >> get out of my way. >> hold on a senchtsd get out of my way. >> there are federal laws prohibited sharing classified inform

he might be winning the press day by going into the cia. not looking down the road when he is ex-president. what happens when the next administration thinks about you know if obama investigating the people before them. why can't we do that against barack obama. >> that's a double standard. they have are going to be looking over their shoulder thinking that eric holder is going to be looking over their shoulder. brian: the cia has been asked to fan out through afghanistan and gather intelligence about our enemy. how motivated do you think they would be now that they have been secured and defamed to this degree. does it concern you. >> if you are doing your job and doing it at a high level you have nothing to worry about. that's the problem, you want them to hold some people accountable but then when we want to hold other people accountable it's a problem. either we are. >> comparing people to acorn and people who keep us safe that is a wrong comparison. people in the cia who did this work thought they were doing the right thing and knew they

the justice department is trying to determine if the cia broke the law by going beyond what the bushues. four of the former directors served under republican presidents dating back to richard nixon. three served under president clinton. the exdirectors claim the investigation could discourage agents working on anti-terrorism operations. >>> u.s. officials are wrong about iran's nuclear program and they know it. according to the supreme leader of the islamic republic, that is. he tells state run radio that president obama is continuing to whip up fear that iranians are trying to build nuclear weapons. he insists his country is not pursuing a weapons program. former president bush claimed the system would protect against attacks by iran. >>> on tuesday president obama will host talks between israel's prime minister and the palestinian authority president. the white house says he will talk to both leaders separately before all three meet together. palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas has rejected resuming talks with israel. he wants israel to stop building settlements in the we

hmple s., the f.b.i. and cia. they operated for years on not only did they suffer under a 12-month budget cycle but had to rely on supplementals so they never knew how much they were going to spend in a given year. there are all sorts of reasons that that is the case. many of them are political, but the answer is d.o.d. doesn't work that way. we understand when you are doing large military procurements that you can't do it on a one-year budget cycle. so we have a model for baking that and correcting the budget cycle so that d.h.s. can plan over the long-term to have a campus and have a single home. we do have a system that allows the f.b.i. to plan for an increase in the number of analysts and agents. we just have to give them access to long-term budget planning and frankly it means holding them accountable for it. so, if i was to give you the wish list, it would be a long-term training and education program, a goldwater-nochols for the civilian bureaucracy and multi-year budgeting process for the civilian agencie

the second program that the cia established was the secret prisons abroad there were going to be used for maintaining custody of terrorists and to establish the ground rules for interrogating those terrorists. finally, there is a program that came to light more recently the reportedly said the cia was authorized by the president to establish paramilitary teams to go after terrorist leaders. i do not want to get into discussion about these programs. i simply want to use them to suggest the kinds of issues and dilemmas that might have been posed for the lawyers of the intelligence agencies at the time these programs were being considered. put yourself in a place of a lawyer at one of the intelligence agencies involved. i realize that most of the career of lawyers at these agencies work cut out of these programs. only a few were cleared into them. for the purposes of our discussion this afternoon, assumed that you are one of them. it seems to me that if you were a lawyer at nsa, you'd conclude to begin with that the terrorist surveillance program was a collection program. it was not a co

laura: you today would say you would work for the cia and be in interrogator and work for the specialency task force and interrogate knowing that you could be prosecuted years from now. >> i would be proud to work for the government of the united states as long as the guidelines were followed were legal and ethical. laura: they thought the guidelines were legal and ethical. >> that's going to be a different question. i think that goes to mitigation of punishment, certainly. even a military person can't disobey -- can't advocate following an order that's illegal. laura: all right, keith. we appreciate it thanks so much. directly ahead, obama's green job czar rails against white polluters. what does race have to do with it? we have a report. a celebrity propaganda video is shown to elementary school students? utah. you cannot believe. this welcome to the world of obama because of one word, imagination and reality have merged. because of one word, a new generation-- a fifth generation-- of fighter aircraft has been born. because of one word, america's air dominance for the next forty yea

enhanced the reputation determined by the cia. eric has more. jane: president obama spoke before qaddafi. has the secretary of state stuck around? how about the president? >> the president left after the speech. he could have heard qaddafi endorse him. clinton and rice also left, leaving what they call a low- level note taker behind the desk of united states. that is the ultimate snub. that anyone is left in the room is astounding. let me start with a top issue he raised. he kept calling barack obama "our son." he called the president of the united states "my son." he said that because of the president's african heritage, with his father having been going in kenya. qaddafi is chairman of the african union and take that very seriously. what a rambling diatribes this speech has been, even as a competition to what fidel castro used to say here at the united stations -- united nations. qaddafi touch on everything, from nuclear weapons to the assassination of president kennedy. he did not talk about his actions in the past dealing with

>> by good police work and the cia. >> but there are some situations where we have to do that because we don't have a choice. there is too much at stake, geraldo. >> geraldo: what about the nypd maybe being a little protect itive of its turf? >> and look, you have allegations of the nypd potentially tipping off the individuals and compromising the investigation. >> geraldo: inadvertently. >> this is why there really needs -- don't forget, the whole crisis for 9/11 was really based on the lack of communication between nypd, fdny. a lot of lives were lost because of that, that is a fact. when you are dealing with two major bureaus like the nypd and the fbi and they are not getting their stuff together, it is a little scare. >> geraldo: as ann coulter points out, it is the patriot act, the act allowed cia to communicate with fbi and that is what made the difference here. stand by, everybody, we'll be right back. a damning allegations against the african born zazi. r men, a day on the days that you have arthritis pain, you could end up taking 4 times the number... of pills compared to ale