words of what the entire world already knew about the cia's practices would somehow disclose secrets and harm u.s. national security so i find it somewhat ironic that someone who is affiliated with the one hand say these practices are perfectly legal but at the same time every time the times try to go into court to test that proposition the cia insisted that courts should have no role in policing the cia's misconduct yeah i mean i find it very odd as well i was going to have that exact question myself as you know if it's not illegal then what's the point of making it so secretive what's the point of hiding it now yourself also have been involved in a number of these cases you know and courts of suspects that who are you know a victim's rendition and yet they do i dismiss them under the state secrets privilege so if that's the case and we do you feel like you're ever going to win as long as they can always us use that blanket term and just you know you say it's a secret and it all gets thrown out by say this you know in some ways i think the cases have been valuable even though they've

had to withdraw the reporting on that. there was some cia cables that were released by the senate intelligence committee in late 2006 on this that prompted a letter from a bunch of members of congress to the cia and to the bush white house asking for more information about him, what did it know about his interrogation, what happened to him. i reported about that at the time. in 2007 i posted a copy of the letter on our website. a few months ago, the aclu had filed a request for information about extraordinary rendition cases, got back a bunch of responses. they asked about the case, and i noticed there were huge reductions in the responses, including a letter written by members of congress to the bush white house with big black-out parts of the letter of the cia saying these portions of the letter were classified. well, i had written about the letter three years earlier, i posted it on our web site. it was still on the web site of one of the members of congress that wrote the letter. this classified letter. and i wrote a story about it a few

from africa a year earlier the cia had sent wilson to investigate the uranium claim and he knew it wasn't true of corruption. in the new york times that touched off a firestorm at the white house. robert novak tried to discredit wilson by writing a story that wilson's wife valerie plame who worked at the cia said. on the trip trouble was she worked as a spy for the cia nobody was supposed to know she worked there the cia even told no that not to publish that information but no that did. told me he asked me not to use your name did not say she was she was uncovered. in any activities former president bush was not amused human intelligence spies. is very important. it's pretty hard to get it. if somebody working clandestine service . is going to appear i'm sure that both. deputy defense secretary richard admitted he was the first to leak despise name and he apologized for it. but white house staffers karl rove in lewis libby also sprayed the covert agents name to reporters at the same time for sure in the president's own press secretary they had nothing to do with it and there are good indi

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so for an agency that journalists tend to portray as hyper secretive this seems to be contrary to the cia which i have had a knock down drag out fight with since the reclassification scandal 2006 now they won't answer my phone calls anymore. nsa has been the exact opposite. basically everything i have asked for the have given me in putting for my book, my new book on obama and the intelligence community is the giving me material about activities in afghanistan and iraq and global war on terrorism which is quite remarkable and i think i would be remiss if i didn't zoos them and i did in the forward to my book but tom johnson and bob and a host of other historians literally made my job so much easier. they basically allowed me -- i spent 25 years piecing together little bits and pieces of nsa's history and when the classified their tomes for my book, literally it was like everything opened up. all of the little bits and pieces that i had been accumulating for over two decades suddenly became clear and it was only when the nsa began to classifying this material beginning in the late 1990's t

support is growing within both the military and the obama administration to shift more control to the cia including putting in and leads hunter killer teams that can operate in secrecy now in their realm of logic this allows them to operate without the explicit blessing of the yemeni government and it would at the same time provide deniability to that same yemeni government whose population is reeling with anti-american sentiment but is expanding another shadow war really the best option or is this secretive and rather simplistic solution bound to make the situation even worse or discuss it with me is dr will lead far as senior fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies dr frist thank you so much for being here thank you now just tell me i feel like i'm having a little bit of deja vu because when i hear about us waging a secretive shadow war where the government gets to deny it while at the same time they're really in support of it and we have special teams and that sounds a whole lot like what we're doing in pakistan to me and that doesn't really seem to be working out does

and the cia had the same charter as the dni. the cia was brought in to, brought into being to pull all intelligence together, centralize intelligence so we didn't, things didn't fall through the cracks. and then essentially that's the dni's charter too. we're going to centralize intelligence. and it's, in my view, an unnecessary bureaucratic >> host: one more time, the storyline for "intelligence." >> guest: it is the next big terrorist attack, and it is a bunch of counterterrorism analysts warning, and the warnings the administration doesn't really want to hear the warnings because it's an election coming, and they've just been saying how much safer we are. and a terrorist cell has been rolled up, and they want to think that was it, that solved the problem. and it didn't. >> host: now, we were talking before we got started here in miami, and you said that you're working on another book. what's that about? this. >> guest: it's along the same lines. it's set in the same place, and it has a couple of the same characters. >> host:

that is to say he was working for the cia and perhaps the fbi, as well, for many years.ut nobody knew it. and finally he decided the time was to get out while the getting was good. >> reporter: the ten moles he reportedly planted in the u.s. were traded back to the russians in a spy swap last july. ever since, chapman has been a moscow sensation, posing for photo spreads, an honored guest at the recent russian space shuttle launch, even marketed as an action figure. a former spy himself, prime minister putin told him the spies were caught as a result of a russian traitor. he said sellouts always end up in a ditch, either drunk or drugged, adding the other day one such traitor kicked the bucket exactly like that abroad. tonight, u.s. officials won't comment but don't deny they had a well-placed russian counterspy. if true, it's an intelligence bonanza. >> he was in a position to know everything that was going on here that the russians were doing. >> reporter: despite talk tonight of russian threats to assassinate the defector, the cia and fbi have a long track record of c

in the last six months the cia has released several tranches of the very, you know, significant groups of papers on cold war intelligence issues. and i applaud cia for doing that, and i hope that nsa will follow suit and do the same. but, you know, we live in a democracy, and, you know, i keep having to remind myself that no matter how much damage of death and destruction al qaeda may have caused in 9/11, what makes a strong is the fact that we continue on, you know, as a people. we have probably the freest society in the world. if you have ever lived overseas you know the truth of it. and the fact that the intelligence community is back in the business of openly talking about the history of intelligence i think is a very, a very good sign. lastly, i should also mention the fact that i have to make an apology to all of you. and i think it's an appropriate one. the book is, you know, one-third is that does. there's a reason for that. i do know how many of you who are serious readers of intelligence history, you open up a book and you have no idea what information that author is presenti

along with the 9/11 suspects, ghailani was held at the cia secret prisons and subjected to the enhanced interrogation program. in this particular case, at least one witness for the prosecution was thrown out because it was argued the witness was discovered through the cia interrogations. and those who support military commissions for the 9/11 suspects will now argue that if the department of justice cannot get a conviction on all charges for go lawn -- ghailani what can it hope for in the 9/11 case in the federal court. the 9/11 case has two important differences. number one the ghailani case did not seek the death penalty while the 9/11 case surely would. and khalid sheikh mohammed was waterboarded in the cia program and, accord go ahead -- according to cia officials ghailani was not, shep. >> bret: last week the khalid shake mohammed trial is not coming to new york. you had republican leaders recently saying they are going to fund any efforts to bring detainees from gitmo to america for these trials. is this verdict now essentially the nail in the coffin on this effort by the administ

the justice department had no idea no in part it's the cia doing it in their own bubble it's the army doing it in their own bubble they helped clear. butcher immigrate out of europe for example it's the space agency recruiting rocket scientists like vernon von brown and others what we have here is it's a horror story about that sheltering of the nazis and then it's a kind of success story in the second thirty years as they chase down these guys take away their citizenship reveal the truth tracked down even people who were serving presidents of austria kurt waldheim this office exposed what he had done to collaborate with the nazis in world war two so horror story about this very black part of american history success story over a long time that you can still push for justice well that's that's what americans love right i love to bring someone down you know i need them back up so and that sense you know if this does like you said you know mark a very dark period in american history something that definitely isn't going to look good on its record but then if they tried to make up for it

now do you remember when it came out that the cia had destroyed ninety two interrogation tapes in two thousand and five well according to the justice department a federal prosecutor has decided not to bring criminal charges in that case the tape showed to interrogate interrogations of two men believed to be top al qaeda operatives at a klan distance yeah a prison in thailand and the interrogation tactics included waterboarding which just spite what george w. bush thinks is illegal now they did this despite direct orders from the white house not to destroy the tapes they withheld disclosure of the tapes destruction from congress from the courts and from a commission that investigated the september eleventh attacks and all the while jose rodriguez the head of the cia's clandestine service at the time who approved the tapes destruction well he's been described as an american hero by his attorney so we don't say for obama's d.o.j. is this just another example of them looking at the other way when it comes to torture earlier i caught up with christopher anders senior legislative counsel in

this is the part will valerie plame learns she's been outed as a cia act. >> never worked for the cia -- >> as an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. he just went ahead and did it. >> did this run overseas? >> it's in the newspaper, valerie. novack's column is he syndicated overseas? >> everywhere. >> well, the number of people that had a hand in outing her, you could argue in terms of reporting to the press were, as you know, michael, fleischer said something to pincus, novak said something to miller. there were a lot of people out there talking. >> right. it was, it was -- look, dick armitage of the state department was the first one to disclose valerie plame's name to novak, but the white house jumped on it very quickly on their own. before novak wrote his column, rove was confirming it. ari fleischer got out there and dumped this information on him and judy miller got it from scooter libby. so, there is definitely a white house effort to use this information for whatever. >> to destroy joe wilson's wife. ambassador wilson, your view watching the film and putting it to

agency for international development and its partners spearheading this effort like the cia usa id the national endowment for democracy and the slew of similar organizations receive funding from congress millions and millions of u.s. taxpayer dollars go every year into funding for political organizations who campaigns in different countries around the world that promote u.s. agenda and most u.s. . ascends are unaware of the fact that that's how their money's being spent to meddle and influence and interfere in other nations affairs the concept of facilitating regime change to democracy promotion has garnered widespread criticism not just abroad but also here at home just terrible we used taxpayers' money to go over and use our military and our cia and these programs to say this is what you ought to do and influence and there's no authority for that it doesn't work it teaches a lot of people to despise us to have compass our team washington d.c. thing. take a hornberger president of the future of freedom foundation says funding regime change abroad is threatening the u.s. economy this i

this is the first book that takes on all these people have been spreading lies about the cia. nd tells the truth about how these people were responsible for stopping the next terrorist attack on america. >> mark thiessen, former chief speechwriter for george w. bush, and author of his first book, "courting disaster." >> coming up next book tv presents "after words," an hour-long

so perhaps we should be thankful that the cia and the fbi are doing their part now and hopefully will continue to do their job as well as they've been doing it. >> yeah, and they flipped this guy. so what next? witness protection? rename him hank johnson and put him in montana? >> well, we're not going to name him cenk. >> that would be a did giveaway. >> that would be. they would be knocking on your door. >> well, we don't want that, definitely. you know what, they will -- there's a process that they have adhered to for over the years, whether it's witness protection or combined effort by the fbi and the cia to hopefully protect him and his family, and just as the russians have a good capability of assassinating someone, the u.s. also has the capability of preventing people from being assassinated. so i guess we'll have to see as the years unfold who wins the ball game, so to speak. >> right. and the russians have done this before, right? znt they pull often a basically an assassination in london, the similar former kgb officials. >> yes, the russians have. and you know what, i don't

had to withdraw the reporting on that. there was some cia cables that were released by the senate intelligence committee in late 2006 on this that prompted a letter from a bunch of members of congress to the cia and to the bush white house asking for more information about him, what did it know about his interrogation, what happened to him. i reported about that at the time. in 2007 i posted a copy of the letter on our website. a few months ago, the aclu had filed a request for information about extraordinary rendition cases, got back a bunch of responses. they asked about the case, and i noticed there were huge reductions in the responses, including a letter written by members of congress to the bush white house with big black-out parts of the letter of the cia saying these portions of the letter were classified. well, i had written about the letter three years earlier, i posted it on our web site. it was still on the web site of one of the members of congress that wrote the letter. this classified letter. and i wrote a story about it a few

we have a clip from the film that shows valerie plame played by naomi watts talking to plame's cia boss. >> i know it's not easy but i want you to know how much the agency appreciates your silence in the light of this matter. we can't afford to have this knife fight go on any longer. >> i get death threats every day. people threaten to kill my husband, hurt my children. i went to the agency and i requested security to protect my family. i was declined because, quote, my circumstances fall outside the budget protocols. if this is a knife fight, sir, right now we're fighting it alone. >> wilson versus the white house, huh? i feel as a friend i should tell you that those men, those few men in that building over there are the most powerful men in the history of the world. >> the movie's director joins us here today. welcome welcome, doug. the movie is the story of wmd and the white house effort to perpetuate the myth that there were weapons of mass destruction was powerful. in the book, president bush's memoirs, he says the single sentence in my -- he's talking about his state of the union

now we know that a nuclear scientist was killed in january and then a different scientist accused the cia of kidnapping and torturing him now could all this be seen as a single systematic campaign. yes you can they are connected the methods are the same. and each time a person who is only very loosely connected with iran's civilian nuclear program has been taken out all they've managed to do is do three families out of their fathers because if if you know iranian security such that if if these scientists were all. major major importance for instance to the defense industry or other organizations you know the the west would have never known about . what mr margery could this recent tag be somehow linked to the bush era nuclear power plant. if you look at. the satellite images are on google earth there isn't even an defense units around to share it is a like well it's a reactor developed with russia it is there to generate electricity and that is what he's doing at the moment but the significance is that it has started generating electricity and this is in a way it is also. this is taking a

the cia saying these portions of the letter were classified. well, i had written about the letter three years earlier, i had hosted it on our web site, it was still on the web site of one the members of congress that wrote the letter, this classified letter. and i wrote a story about it and a few days later the cia said oh well, okay. maybe we'll declassify this letter that had been in the public domain for three years. as an example, is there over classification. could something in the public domain be classified? yes. it happens all the time. unless somebody is around to call them on it, it would remain classified. >> to follow up, at one point, i had many discussions with the prosecutors. this point came up with the particular prosecutor who was responsible for guarding the classified information in the case. i said to him, how can it be, why is it that you have newspaper article that is are classified say by the fbi or cia? he said it can be done. the rational is it's not the article itself, it's the fact that the fbi was interested in it a

many who study these agencies believe the soft money working behind the scenes is directly linked to the cia they had to have this new organization with a nice sounding name a democracy and it and i sounding name which would be free of the taint of the cia and that's been that was a reason an idea was created usa id has implemented democracy promotion initiatives in over one hundred countries in the past twenty five years this year's budget one billion dollars according to usa ideas website spending ten million dollars in a target country increases its amount of democratic change five fold how much of your tax money would you like to go to promoting democracy and a solid. not that much would you be ok if foreign governments were giving our politicians money for the election campaign no that would bother me and here in lies the hypocrisy we have a very clear law on the books prohibiting foreign governments from interfering in our elections. supporting and the candidates with money so we do exactly what we were going to home encouraging transparency is a stated core element of the u.s. governm