this administration to restrain them the fact that the cia is operating in with the n.y.p.d. in new york city raises very significant issues as to whether or not they are currently at this moment in violation of fundamental laws restricting their conduct and we want to know what role they have with the occupy movement now we are dealing with the cia. they so who would be tasked with investigating the cia because obviously they can't investigate themselves so what would that would that look like well this is always a problem when agencies you know then turn to police themselves they're not very successful at it there are one way to do it is what we're doing this for the public to make a demand and for the public in the population to insist that the government make public its records so people have a right to know what the government of the united states is doing and that's the stuff that we've taken that's the first step to make these demands if we need to go to court to obtain information and to try and get a judicial order forcing the government to open its records then we w

based partnership for civil justice filed a request of the cia to get some answers but their request was denied now this raises many questions and tell me answer the i spoke earlier tomorrow of our hayden hillard executive director of the partnership for civil justice fund she told me what happened when she requested information from the cia under the freedom of information act take a look. we filed the partnership for civil justice fund filed a series of freedom of information act demands against different government agencies when we saw this quick succession of fictions and crackdowns on occupy encampments around the country and the central intelligence agency agency is one of the agencies that we ask that they release records that are in their possession related to the occupy movement and the involvement that they may have now there are a number of responses they could be given but the response they gave us is extremely disturbing and they wrote back saying that they would refuse to process the request basically on the grounds that if the cia had any involvement it would have been

way and provide a free ride to the cia. esident reagan played a tremendous role. i remember so well, "teardown that wall, mr. gorbachev," despite the open, friendly relationship. gorbachev reacted in a friendly way. no wonder he was suspected at some point. he was too friendly to the united states. he was called sometimes a trailer. no one knows. well, that was the thing that happened, but when i spoke for reforms inside the kgb, and my experience that the united states was not a waste of time, i learned that a free country would have several organizations dealing with intelligence and security. the other way is the road to dictatorship, and that is exactly what happened in russia. kgb, no one else. the military intelligence was all infested with kgb. and the defense department as well. in the united states, these five different organizations, and that was my idea, well, i'm very happy to say that it did happen. the russian intelligence service, a russian domestic equivalent to the fbi, half a million altogether now, a small

the cia evidence and the cia study is equivocal on whether there was a war scare. this is important for two reasons. if we actually think that in november 1983 when the soviet union had over 10,000 nuclear warheads on strategic missiles and thousands of nuclear warheads deployed in central europe, soviet leaders thought in that context that nuclear deterrence would not work, we have to rethink what we understand by nuclear weapons. there was no doubt at that time that they could retaliat ane in devastating ways if the u.s. and nato had attacked. some things that would cast doubt, if the real worry was long-term trends that the u.s. might escape from the relationship of mutual deterrence, then that is more understandable anxiety in the way we have thought about the strategic relationship. the final point i want to make s that in ronald reagan's direct for november 18, which is a little time after this able artur nato exercise, he writes, "george shultz and i had a talk maybe about setting up a little in-house group of experts on the soviet union to help us in settin

i was told that the cia offices were at the u.s. embassy. e, you could make some guesses about them. is it in fact true that there are lots of cia officers around fwleeg have covers in private business and trading companies and things like that all over the world? >> it's increasingly true. when you and i were getting started as journalists and for the past decades, it's been the case that most cia officers sought what was called official coverers, embassy representativ representatives, other international organizations. that was acceptable when the target you were facing was soviet diplomats. you'd meet them at cocktail parties, spot them, try to develop them. but the targets are so different now. and so there's a feeling that you need genuinely clandestine platforms. so there's been a lot of experimentation in the areas that i'm imagining in my book, in the book. i invent this goofy entertainment company based in studio city california, called the hit parade. a platform for cia officers to do completely secret operations overseas. are they

. >> how long were you for the cia? >> a little less than five years. a little less than ten years of total government service. >> the subtitle of your new book, uncompromised, is the rise, fall and redemption; why in that order? >> because my career had skyrocketed. i had cases that seasoned agents with experience and then thinking i was given a lot of missions i needed to accomplish that were extremely hard missions and they are detailed in the book but then after i returned from baghdad and was falsely accused i should say of being a supporter of terrorism. eventually i was exonerated and i'm here today telling my story. >> tell us very quickly about that accusation. >> welcome it involves the terrorist group hezbollah and the fbi thought of that i looked into documents relating to hezbollah and the past intelligence of hezbollah. obviously that wasn't true. the evidence against me was labeled secret and the evidence was not shared with me. but the cia conducted an investigation and a federal judge and they both legs

to keep the cia the leads that would be easy to interrogate people if they were so we could. the music was so loud. and it was probably some of the worst torture that they faced. was. all right chris take it from the top we're ready. it's incredible you can go and hearing badge and the haitian. kids you run the club or go. well i've always liked music i think most people do actually. music means good luck to me among many other things i love that i've had a chat to to write music partly for a living and largely for fun that's also helping people. it's incredible. nation. christopher soft as a composer for sesame street because his music helps to teach young children how to read and write for forty years he's been working for the famous children's television show during this time he's written more than two hundred songs. their surname. for his work christopher has won many awards. in the show the cookies sesame street residents like big bird sing his songs the ricks of today with magic numbers strange words or the names of the callers but these innocent children songs were abu

the cia has one. et cetera. the cia was one. the person who was in charge of all of those as the director of central intelligence was also the director of the cia. so the director of the cia was human, and trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others he was supposed to be over, and we found that some of the counterevidence about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction programs, probably didn't get the airing and the hearing it might have. so we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia, who is a separate person, to cull the intelligence, help the president understand when there are disagreements in the intelligence agency, and give more of a total picture of what is going on with intelligence. that was the big reform that was made. >> you also have talked in at least one speech that i know of, about self-defense as part of the context for making the decision to go into iraq. i really want to ask you, when you examined the iraq situation and there was a d

the cia has one, et cetera. the cia was one. the person who was in charge of all of those as the director of central intelligence, was also the head of the cia. so, we had this strange situation in which we had all this different intelligence reporting but obviously the director of the cia was human. he trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others that he was supposed to be over, and we found that some of the counterevidence about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction, programs, probably didn't get the airing and the hearing that it might have. so, we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia, he is a separate person, to cull the intelligence, help the president understand when there are disagreements in the intelligence agency, and give more of a total picture of what is going on. so that was the big reform that was made. >> you also have talked in at least one speech i know about the self-defense as part of the context for making the decision to go i

first of all, when and how did you serve in the cia? > i register working for the fbi as a special agent, and i worked with them for less than five years, and i transferred from the fbi and work with the cia in 2003. i've worked a number of high profile cases for the fbi such as the u.s. as coal, the bombing in riyadh, the complex bombing, the assassination and murder of the u.s. diplomat in 2002. and i was exposed to work with cia officers overseas, and they've agriculture and linguistic abilities. i transferred to the cia and others dispatch immediately to work in baghdad. so i was involved in the hunt of saddam hussein. that was a successful operation. but i get to a lot of other cases that i worked for for the cia. >> how long were you with the cia? >> for a little less than five years, about 10 years, less than 10 years total government service pack the subtitle of your new book, "uncompromised," is the rise, fall and redemption. y. in that order of? >> because my career has skyrocketed that i was being in cases, a seasoned agent wi

>> i had to submit my manuscript to the cia and they had to approve it. >> why did you leave the cia? >> it was part of the plea deal unfortunately. when people ask me all the time would you ever go back to government service and i tell them the same thing. i am living proof that the justice system works because the truth was told in this end. i am happy i served my country and i will serve my country again at a drop of a dime. this was not -- this is an optimistic story. in any other country has been accused of these horrendous charges on would have been executed. only in america you get the chance to tell your story and to know that justice prevails in this meal and that the truth always comes out. >> this is booktv on c-span2. we talking with not proudy. and compromise:the rise, fall and redemption of an american patriot in the cia. >> a short of her interview from c-span's campaign 2012 bus as it travels the country. >> karen beckwith, political women, "political women and american democracy". how did you decide which essays to include in this work? >> my co editors and i organize

the medical specialists carefully describe the torture procedures cia agents are allowed to use during interrogations they focus on methods that leave no visible traces on the prisoners such as noise and loud music permitted noise levels are as follows music as loud as the noise of a highway for eighteen hours a day at the volume of a cranked up motor bike for eight hours. as loud as a truck engine at full throttle for four hours. and as loud as a jackhammer. for two hours. human rights groups force in courts for the publication of these torture guidelines still most of the pages look like this are reasons of national security the government says but for human rights were such as such as thomas kean and they still form a clear picture of what musical torture methods were used. prisoners were forced to put on headphones they were attached chairs headphones were attached to their head and they were left alone just with the music for very long periods of time sometimes hours even gains in and listening to repeated loud music. music was being used to kuantan and low. in kabul in afghanista

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so the cia was kept to a foreign intelligence agency. the fbi which operated under rules and laws, think "law and order," the fbi was the internal intelligence agency. well, just to give you one example, a few nights before 9/11 a telephone call was made in san diego by one of the men who would ultimately be one of the suicide hijackers to afghanistan. but we couldn't track across that boundary because we didn't want the tracking of phone calls inside the united states by foreign intelligence. so would i like to have known what he said a couple of days before 9/11? when we realized that, of course, we had an internal security problem, the attack on our internal security, we had to sew up that gap so that the cia and what they knew about what was going on outside the country and the fbi and what they knew about what was going on inside the country could talk to one another. and that's what the so-called patriot act that you've probably read about actually, it closed that seam. so that was one intelligence problem. the iraq intelligence pro

and this type of thing you know the cia and f.b.i. got in trouble for this kind of thing after watergate and the laws were so restrictive on the f.b.i. they could even keep things on paper from the newspaper there's a reason for it then enter should be a reason for it now it's called fishing expeditions and the federal government can't go on fishing expeditions unless they have a criminal predicate and probable cause i don't think they have probable cause in boston to look at people involved with occupy wall street that's that's just called a fishing expedition but don't you think wayne is a little bit different i mean back in the time of watergate in the sixty's and seventy's. newspapers were there people are not posting their own personal information these days that's exactly what happens i mean you say that people are doing the cia's job for them but don't you think a little different when people choose to put their thoughts out there when they choose to be on twitter they have to be on facebook they go in knowing that other people

truman in 1947 formed the cia, central intelligence agency, patterned after the vision and the idea thatdonovan had. donovan lobbied through surrogates to try and make himself cia director. but truman wanted -- didn't want any part of that. dwight eisenhower comes into office in 1953. donovan thinks he has his best chance to become cia director. eisenhower was republican. thought a lot of donovan's work. instead the eisenhower makes allan dulles as cia director which deeply disappointed donovan. he thought dulles was going to screw up the cia. dulles had been a station chief. donovan's station chief in switching. had done a terrific job. ironically does not donovan had done a lousy job of running the oss and he could have run that agency better. so, let me end it there. we can talk about his life afterwards or anything else you'd like to discuss, his legacy, what you see today among the cia. [applause] >> yes. my name is max gross. i read quite a few books about the oss, and about donovan. one thing i've never understood and you didn't bring out yourself, there was no intelligence oversi

the cia analysts have on bin laden's trail over there for 10 years. they were the most expert at al qaeda and bin laden, and his associates. they had a very focused mission. they had all the resources they needed. they were not the thousands of analysts who want to get into counterterrorism somehow and who were doing reports that were not unique in not hopeful. domestically, the fbi's counterterrorism agents. if you like about the plots and potential paths undone and discovered since 9/11, they did not come through the homeland security see something come to say something campaign, were you supposed to report people who look like they're doing something's position is. they did not come from a dragnet approach to this. they came from a group of people who have again are very highly trained, very experienced in terrorism. that is then have foiled a brief read about all of these recently, potential plots. overseas i would say that the joint special operations command, highly secretive troupe called the joint special operations command -- i had to devote a

[inaudible conversations] >> the rise and fall plan redemption closely arab-american n patriot is the cia. when and how did you serve? >> hi worked in the fbi as a special agent working with them for all the less than five years starting in 2003 i have high profile cases such as the bomb main in riyadh, the assassination in murder of u.s. diplomat in 2002 and i was exposed to working with cia officers overseas that they value the coulter and i transferred from the fbi to the cia in dispatched immediately in baghdad. obviously that was a successful operation but i do have other cases i work for in the cia. >> host: how long were you there? >> ll's than five years but 10 years total government service. >> the subtitle is the rise, fall, redemption. why in that order? >> my career had skyrocketed. i was assigned cases he was an agent with experience and i was given a lot of permission to accomplish that and a very detailed in the but but after i return from baghdad i was accused falsely i should say, to me at the border of terrorism. eventually, i was exonerated and i am here today telling m

the cia has one, and better. the person who was in charge of all of those is the director of central intelligence was also the head of the cia. so we had this strange situation in which we thought this different intelligence reporting, but obviously the director of the cia was human. he trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others that are supposed to be over. and we found that some of the counteracted and about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction programs probably didn't get the airing in the hearing of playing a period so we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia. he's a separate person, to call the intelligence, helped the president understand when their disagreements and intelligence agents the end give more of a total picture of what's going on with intelligence. so that the civic reform reform that was made. >> you also have talked to in at least one speech that i know about in self defense as part the contest for making the d

it tells the story of his father, former cia director william colby. it is called "the man nobody knew: in search of my father, cia spymaster william colby". here is a scene. >> my dad came back from vietnam in 1971. he was appointed by richard nixon to be director of the cia. >> you are familiar with the controversy over the phoenix program in vietnam. there have been allegations that this phoenix program was an assassination program. what are the facts? >> mr. chairman, i have testified on this subject before the senate foreign relations committee in february 1970. tavis: the resemblance to your father is eerie. not scary. you can tell he is your father. that said, before get into the specifics of your story, yours is a unique story. each of our stories is unique but for a son for whoever -- what ever reason did not know the real deal about his father, having done the research now, would you recommend that any sot his father? >> it is the oldest story in the world. for women as well. who is their father or their mother? in this case it is personal bec

the raymond davis. acting cia station chief who shot and killed two pakistanis who turned out to be intelligence so exhilarates then of course we had the osama bin ladin. which i think from the perspective of us was a must have to be done and fully justified but nevertheless was hugely embarrassing to talk a sense of course it really revealed the fact that he was there obviously operating under the protection of senior military figures and the rate with or without getting permission from the pakistani authorities and then we have this latest incident of waiting the death of twenty four pakistani soldiers so we have two incidents we really are serious mistakes that the americans may have that's seriously degraded the ship now we're seeing pakistan and if taking action they order the u.s. to get out and take their drones along with than is this a sign that pakistan is now more willing to stand up to washington. well i think you know we have to realize first of all that the pakistani state is not a monolith in fact w

so inconspicuous he could never catch the waiter's eye at a restaurant. he was fired as cia director in the 1970's. he continued raising eyebrows by advocating nuclear bombs on lemont. the president -- nuclear disarmament. president clinton honored his memory. >> his children and his wife are very proud of him for what he accomplished. >> jack smith, news in washington. >> what is your relationship with his second wife? >> kordell. i would see him and her when i would visit washington in the 1980's and early 1990's. every few months we would get together and have dinner at his house. i kept up with my father on the telephone. >> how do you think he died? >> i think, as the quarter reports, probably over exerted himself and had a heart attack or a stroke while he was out paddling his canoe in the evening after he had a few drinks and fix himself his favorite meal. i have to say, in my opinion, i hark back to a conversation i had with him a few months before he died. i call them up and said, by the way, your old friend john -- judge peter was found under a bridge in vermont. h

he is not the director of the cia. he is a separate person. to cull the intelligence, help the president understand when there are disagreements in the intelligence agency and give more of a total picture of what's going on with intelligence. so that was the big reform that was made. >> you also have talked in, at least one speech that i know about eventory self-defense as about of the making decision to go into iraq and i really want to ask you, when you examined the iraq situation and there was a discussion, did you look at other countries as well? because if you look at the list of justifications, you could put those on iran as well. and so why iraq rather than iran? and did you look at more than one country? >> yes. we looked, iraq was sui generis in our view. it was unique. because we had been to war against saddam hussein in 1991. he signed an armistice. he was systematically violating that armistice. he was found in 1991 to have had been one year from a crude nuclear device. he had used weapons of mass destruction against the iranians an

the cia has one, and better. the person who was in charge of all of those is the director of central intelligence was also the head of the cia. so we had this strange situation in which we thought this different intelligence reporting, but obviously the director of the cia was human. he trusted his own intelligence agency more than all of these others that are supposed to be over. and we found that some of the counteracted and about what was going on in iraq, weapons of mass destruction programs probably didn't get the airing in the hearing of playing a period so we created the director of national intelligence, who is not the director of the cia. he's a separate person, to call the intelligence, helped the president understand when their disagreements and intelligence agents the end give more of a total picture of what's going on with intelligence. so that the civic reform reform that was made. >> you also have talked to in at least one speech that i know about in self defense as part the contest for making the d

work could not talk to criminal agents and vice versa, much less have persons in the fbi talked to the cia or nsa or others. the great benefit of the patriot act is it did away with that and enabled us to build those relationships, change that culture, and understand that in order for us to be successful, we had to work closely together on any number of these threats. >> is there anything you would >> what about national security letters? >> national security letters was the device given to us to gather information on the existence of the telephone call. we had a procedure we needed to follow. in most cases, we did. in a number of cases, we did not have the procedures. we move ahead quickly and did not put in place procedures to assure we have the proper paperwork and foundation in requesting those letters. we have put into place a software program that insures you have the appropriate foundation before a new issue a national security letter. we have had training. we have had continuous oversight on that issue. in the overall context of things, it was not that we were getting information t

is that show them the left was killed or just the twenty third two thousand and ten which is when the cia base killing many innocent people that they were only killing militants. the militants that was one of the three year olds that. worked we managed to gather up from a part of pakistan who's we've got the miss so far to kill that channel and i think they're very much brings this current you know them to be used. to kill not when he said you know me so militants but also you can see the missile that it's not on the tube. but tell us more about why it is that we see so few of these pictures so few of these images why there are so many more people out there trying to document what tron warfare really means. i mean i want to go to prison respond to do it myself but the most tells me that my little boy has the roach or a father and she don't want me to get killed or me tips it's very very hard to go to you as a journalist couldn't go that i do have a slightly devious plan to get up there myself and not so much but perhaps i'm not to go into the public i don't want to thought were in the cia

for more on the story let's talk to jack rice he's a lawyer and former cia officer who's done extensive research. in iraq well given the company's recall. there in iraq that includes alleged manslaughter and smuggling of weapons just how likely jack is it to reestablish itself in the country and get a contract well it's certainly trying to i think the real reason they could is because they have very deep pockets and they also have very very good connections you can call this company anything that you like whether it's blackwater whether it's the whether it's academy whether it's john smith it doesn't make any difference if there's a lot of money and there's connections there are opportunities i guess the sad part is though is that if you go to a restaurant and you have a bad meal just because they change the name on the front door doesn't mean the food's going to be any good here's a question for an ex cia officer the company's founder once again as the firm was at the cia's disposal with some very risky missions and that's a quote what is that implied just how close were blackwater as

steve ells, who founded the chain chipotle, graduated from the cia in 1990, and cat cora, known internationally as the only female iron chef on the food network's "iron chef america," also graduated from here in 1995. the grstone branch campus opened in st. helena in 1995 and has been continuously proding top-notch chefs. >> coming here to napa, california, there's fresh, almost any kind of ingredient, produce that you would want, fresh herbs. the herb garden here at cia is amazing. >> here students cultivate edible flowers, vegetables, and fresh herbs. >> it's learning how to plant, what to plant, when to plant it. i live about 1,000 miles up right now, so it's a little colder, and you have to realize, like, i can't plant tomatoes when they're planting tomatoes down here. it's just understanding the seasons and understanding when things want to grow and then they're gonna grow the best. >> students feel and i feel that by producing our own ingredients we can become better chefs. we'll get to learn a little bit about our food systems and how we interact with our food systems. we're in a unique

a day hiking but hodge one of the leaders of tripoli militia was once on the cia most wanted list today he's a face of the democratic leader who according to our to sources not a group of several hundred libyan rebels to syria just last month. we can do in to support the syrian people because we know they are facing this situation before and do but it comes to be would. why the syrian people who give their freedom i think we should do what the use of soldiers of fortune is hardly new in this troubled region middle eastern rulers hard done for centuries a save gars against their own populations and it now looks like the history of mercenaries in the middle east has got to this new and no less bloody chapter of some of our t. tripoli for more analysis on the situation in syria we are now joined live from san francisco by littlest expert and radio host serene so big a thank you for joining us serene arab league observers have a difficult task ahead of them if they are to get all sides to agree to the peace deal how long will it take them to complete their mission and what is it exactly the

embassy and the kidnap and murder of cia officer william buckl buckley. cials say the group gets weapons, training and money from iran. this is a foreman cia officer who tracked iran's operations in europe and the middle east. who do you think has the upper hand right now in the covert operations side between the u.s. and iran? >> well, i mean, side between the u.s. and iran? >> i think the iranians have the upper hand in a covert engagement because they do it all the time. the iranians have a very he active covert paramilitary force, the quds force really does go around the world and kill people. >> now, on hezbollah, one u.s. official who didn't deny hezbollah's claims to identified american intelligence officers said, quote, repeating hezbollah's claims does nothing but serve that group's interests, making things harder for americans in beirut. this official said no one is giving up against hezbollah, pointing out that group has killed more americans than any other terrorist group besides al qaeda. >> what kind of technical capabilities does hezbollah h