but why is the cia writing talking points? they should be giving the intelligence facts to the public relations individuals and the spokesperson for the white house and sticking with that. i think they could have been more speculative about it. there is nothing wrong with staying we had as a terrorist attack and we don't know the reasons, these are possibilities. the biggest tragedy is the fact we have not brought these terrorist to justice for the death of four americans and it instruction of a diplomatic session overseas. that is the biggest tragedy and you can imagine how people feel about that and the signal it sends to enemies around the wormed. >> i have to take a quick commercial break but one of the things michael morell said was they don't know the motivation for the terrorist on the ground and why they killed americans. i will take that up with you after the break. 18 months another hearing on benghazi and we will be right back with more on "happening now" in a moment. co: i've always found you don't know you need a h

now the cia has a job. and like he had that plane flying over the soviet union in less than nine months. not sure we could do that nowadays, but that's how and when. now, the plane lasted four years , and it came back with the answer to the bomber missile gap. there was no bomber missile gap. youtube was labeled. the bomber factories, the air fields and sullen. and the u.s. now understood that they had military superiority over the soviet union. because of that president kennedy during a thing called the berlin crisis in 1960 when the russians were trying to get the u.s. and allies out of berlin so that they could take over all of germany says, western germany, jfk made the statement, no, we are staying in berlin. now, the reason he could say that and called christians bluff was because he knew that the u.s.-led military superiority. khrushchev had known it all along. so we did not go war over that. the same thing happened again later, two years later in the cuban missile crisis. russia had been slipping. th

the cia succeeded. they worked with and to take over the election and they defeated the communism who was trying to take over the election converted to demand working with cia and he is working with the priest who is the bishop in italy. that priest later went on to become pope paul. you can say in a way that the catholic church and the pope was working with the cia in those very early days. well, they succeeded in italy, but then they moved on the succeeded in taking over turkey. the most interesting success they had was increased. the communists had images they are in that very rocky, rough terrain, but the cai -- the cia got a pamphlet of missouri mules and to decrease. and they were able to out maneuver the communists with the terrible rocky terrain. so it's often given credit to their successes or at least leased to the misery meals. anyway, they have these incredible successes. but the thing that wanders, why is it that truman made the sudden change that he didn't want anything to do with the types

humint from the field. ciaollection of the satellites are beyond belief now. the, the real time imaging satellites are incredibly effective. yeah, they say you can read the license plate of a car if you tilt it up just right. i've not seen it but, it is impressive nonetheless. the and then, this new age of covert action is very effective. and it's the current age. so if you go back to covert action. let's go back and look at it again. let's look at the, let's look at the greek and the trojan horse. that was a covert action. thomas jefferson sent the marines to shores of tripoli when he was president. that was covert action. it is with us forever but it has changed. i think we finally got it right at the present time. i want to leave that with you and i will try to make this as condensed as i could. but i would like to give you the opportunity now to, if you have questions, to write them down. i don't guaranty the best answer but i will give it a try. >> so at this time, we'll have you, if you haven't already wr

the second piece is the cia didn't do that on its own. his was done with significant oversight and policy approval. the president of the united states as he talks about in his book approved this program. >> charlie: president bush. president bush approved this program. there was also briefings to congress, to the leadership of the intelligence committees about this program. one of the interesting things, charlie, is that some of the very people who are criticizing this program today were the ones who were briefed on it previously and did not oppose it. >> charlie: these are members of congress? >> members of congress. three, the third point people should understand is that the department of justice deemed that these techniques were legal, deemed that they were not a violation of domestic u.s. law and they were not a violation of u.s. treaty obligations. they deemed that these techniques were not torture. so it actually drives me crazy when people call it torture -- >> charlie: you're saying we had legal justification to do what we did and

>> they called nobody at the cia and i just checked this. they called nobody the cia. i corrected the record long before i knew that the fbi was upset. in fact i did not know the fbi was upset until a couple of months ago. >> how come you checked at? you had two months to prepare. how come and 74 hours you decide to do at? the congressman what happened was i was asked a question. i made a mistake. i got in the car to go back to langley. i langley. my head of congressional affairs who was with me in the meeting said michael a. think you got that wrong. i said well let's go find out and ineffective let's correct the record. will make up back to headquarters we had a meeting in my office where i found out that i was indeed wrong and i told my ahead of congressional affairs to correct the record. within two or three hours he had done so. not within 24 as some people have said and i didn't wait until i heard the fbi was upset before i corrected the record. i corrected the record as soon as i found out. how many in this town do that? >> we have to believe an awful lot of circ

it was an intelligence community judgment, not just the cia. when our analysts on the 18th, charlie, said, we don't think there is a protest anymore because the libyans have told us what they saw on the video, they had a hard time convincing the rest of their intelligence community colleagues because the rest of the colleagues wanted to see the video before they changed the judgment. that is why it took four days. >> there was a strong opinion that there was a demonstration? >> yes. >> what were you hearing from the cia, but from sources in libya? what were they saying? was it only after they saw the video where they reporting what they thought, or were they early on saying to you and to the cia, this was an attack, not a demonstration? >> there are a couple of things that are important. in those first couple of days, all of the information is about a protest. >> 12, 13, 14. >> the 12th primarily. the information comes in that there is a protest. the 14th has the piece of information on the guys on the ground. the 16th, again chief of station. w

>> this was the cia's considered judgment at the time. a written product produced -- >> i thought it was all the ic community signed off on the product. >> correct. >> okay. so i think one of the problems here is the station chief, base chief, diplomatic security officials, all the dod officials, and all the cia station personnel that were in benghazi have all reported by this time that the assault began as a pre-planned attack, not a protest. in other words, the product that you were using on the 13th was contra dilgted by every sing single person on the imrownd in libya. >> didn't know it at the time, sir. didn't know it until saturday morning when the chief of stations cement an e-mail. >> what were you guys talking about on the deputy's committee meeting on the 12th and 13th? >> so, on the 12 #th; there was no discussion of the protest. no discussion of a protest on the 12th. on the 13 #th, any discussion of the protest would have. based on the classified product that was produced that morning. >> were you involved with discussions in

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you served as deputy director of the cia, at the director of the cia. ou experience such frustrations of secretary gates and clinton and others? >> as you know, the central intelligence agency conducts some extremely sensitive operations. and i routinely discussed those operations with mr. brennan and with mr. mcdonough. and i would get out -- asked a lot of questions. i never felt i was being micromanaged there nor have i ever felt i've been micromanaged here. experience or have knowledge of national security council staffers directly calling chiefs of station around the world and being down into the day-to-day involvement? >> that didn't happen, to my knowledge. the interaction between the national security staff and the central intelligence agency was almost exclusively -- not largely -- but almost exclusively from mr. brennan and mr. mcdonough to me. is, isess i'm wondering that because of your level? because we have all these e-mails showing a variety of people under them that were involved in these talking points and other things. i guess where i a

in washington that if something goes wrong, the cia gets the blame. if something goes right, it's to the credit of the president of the united states, so you cannot say that it is entirely the fault of the cia. it is also the fault of the president, which in this case would be obama's predecessor, george w. bush. >> thanks a lot. now to turkey where police and the turkish capital have used water cannon to disperse protesters. >> crowds of people assembled tuesday demanding a recount of local elections held on the weekend. the prime minister's party took 45% of the vote in those polls, more than some analysts predicted. he has been dogged by a series of corruption allegations. he denies any wrongdoing. our correspondent is in istanbul for us. tell us -- is there something to these accusations of vote rigging? >> there's a great deal of concern. the republican people's party have been crying foul, saying that they are missing ballot boxes. serious power cuts, which they claim could affect the electronic voting system, and they say they've been inundated

the cia owns its own paper. it is welcome to write a report to release to the american people and say anything it wants about its torture and rendition program. but the idea that the central intelligence agency should, can, or even might take a document that belongs to another federal branch of government, mind you, we are not talking about another executive branch agency, but the united states legislator here, that a federal agency might censor the work of another body of government to make it take a particular point of view is astonishing to me. what i believe is happening here is that the cia is attempting to evade what will eventually be a major legal and criminal scandal over its behavior in this program and it is doing so right here by means of creating a dispute over the release of this document that delays the emergence of it for a while. >> can you comment on how much expiditious the government is on these issues? >> i suppose the national security archive where i work is a main player in that so i shoul

the cia has a program and the military has a program. during the first term which i was writing about the cia was mostly operating in pakistan which they considered an extension of the afghan battlefield. obama decided to make these decisions outside of conventional theaters of war where the war -- the law was less clear, we were not in a traditional state of war with another country. that is where he thought was risky and we needed to be more cautious so in somalia and yemen and to some extent in pakistan but mostly somalia and yemen he was making these decisions, making these decisions himself. most of the time, he would green light the operation but not always. he would roll them back and have a lot of questions about who are we actually going after? you have to remember in places like yemen and somalia some of these organizations are al qaeda affiliate's, terrorist organizations but also local insurgency's involved in civil wars and what he was fearful of was getting sucked into those kinds of local civil wars and not saying as he wo

or will it be the white house which should take over given the cia's inherent conflict of interest>> how confident are you that the white house will yield to the black pen, hannah? >> that remains to be seen. it's something we've written to president obama asking him to do pointing out he's pledged to declassify the full report and that for that to meaningfully happen, it cannot be that the very same agency that's scathingly criticized in this report, including for having lied to the oversight branches is the agency that wields that blackout pen and it remains to be seen whether the white house should exert control as it should or whether it defers to an agency that has already gone so rogue. >> there's also a question how the cia internally deals with this. one of the most disturbing parts, it's a report entirely disturbinging from front to back. some of the officials said some of the most troubling sections deal not with detainee abuse but discrepancies in the details of written communications of lower level employees directly involved. there seems to be wrong-doing here that eit

>> thank you, antonio very. >> turning to the cia. did it intentionally million dollars mislead the public and government for years about enhanced interrogation programs? the senate intelligence committee claims that's exactly what the cia did. details are laid out in an exclusive washington post report on the committee's investigation of the program. according to the post >> the committee report says the cia concealed details of some of the brutal methods and overstated plots revealed and those questioned and gave credit to enhanced interrogation for critical intelligence that had been revealed by detainees before they were expose today waterboarding and other harsh measures for more, i am joined by greg miller for the washington post who co-authored the exclusive. we have seen stories see xwufrninging the cia's enhanced interrogation program as being brutal and ineffective. >> this is by far the most comprehensive and detailed account of that program. yet. this was -- this is regarded by many as one of the darker and more controversi

i covered national security for a decade in this town and the cia included. i was stationed at the pentagon for a decade. i think i know a thing or two about it, okay? >> not as much as mike morell for sure. >> what we have here is a very serious lack of government accountability here. that's what we're talking about. we're not lynching anybody, political vendetta. >> i have to go. our own reporting here at fox news has said that the environment the cia may drastically change depending on how this whole thing flushes out. whether or not people there on the ground have a different opinion from an lises in d.c. how will that change the way in which they want to continue to be employees of the cia. that remains to be determined. i have to wrap it there. thanks much for your time. >>> round two, why it took her company 15 years to deal with the faulty ignition switch. mike live with this story. is there any chance anyone could actually go to prison for this? >> gretchen, it sounds like that may be the case. several references to a culture of cover-up at general mo

if the cia cooperated in the law that is an abuse of power. and as we know from watergate, abuses of power leads to bad things >> and chris stevens, the first u.s. diplomat killed and sean smith, a state department staffer, glen dortty and tiger woods working as security contractors. what do you think? will today's hearing answer the question or do we need to hear even more? send us a tweet at bill hemmer or martha maccallum and you can talk to us on twitter for the n next hour. >>> president obama taking a victory lap calling a news conference to say that right at the deadline the white house reached and surpassed their obamacare enrollment goal. >> last night the first open enrollment period came to an end. and despite several lost weeks out of the gate because of problems with the website, 7.1 million americans have now signed up for private insurance plans through these market places. 7.1. >> a lot of applause and excitement at the white house but conservative critics say they believe the number doesn't mean what it appears. >> this is a p

the cia might be the customer, but the air force has always flown it. 17 squadron that flies, they are the can play what i'm doing but i can tell you that it is supersecret. it is area 51 isolated on a single base and he gets pretty widely known that the ca controls their mission. under robbie for her left creech, there are putting privacy fences up so you cannot even see the front doors for the parking lot. at that point you don't even know who is in there anymore. people brag. people talk about how they were so secret and that they were kicking so much [bleep] and killing terrorists. the cia label is just an excuse to not have to give up any information. it's all it has ever been. nothing is going to change. at least, nothing that we can see. >> that is brandon bryant and michael haas, both drone operators, a clip from the new film, "drone." we turn to the film maker who made the film, tonje hessen schei, speaking to us from oslo, norway. the significance of what you have found. michael haas speaking to for the first time, is that right? >> yes, that

the cia was willing to stand behind that. and they -- people that he now blames removed it and, look, warnings -- they had in the original draft reference to the warnings by the cia to the state department about the security risk in the area. the director of the cia wants it in there. the deputy director, mike morell decides to take it out. that strikes me as somebody who is look out for the political interests of the white house. he takes out the word islamic, he hides from the congress the fact that the cia removed al qaeda. and he himself, takes out the reference to the warnings state department, it looks to me like is he doing the political work of the white house and trying to ingratiot himself with 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> karl, thank you. don't forget when fox is pushing to get more information, we got banned from the cia briefing that they did. that was a little bit funny. but anyway, whatever. thank you, karl. >> you bet. >> coming up a too mail reporter says she was bullied at a feminist conference. >> we know. >

but the cia was very, very careful. in fact it did not start its interrogation of credit abbu zebeda, in the subject of these interrogations, they did not start these interrogations until they had full credit permission of the department of justice, knowing that that would then make them legally vulnerable. >> do you feel comfortable with the extent of the interrogations? do you feel comfortable. >> do i feel -- >> do you feel comfortable with them? >> i can only speak to what i saw myself. >> that's what i'm asking. >> i was there from 2004 to 2006. whether you approve of these methods or not it was a very disciplined program at that time, operating under the strict authority that was provided to the cia by the department of justice and the administration at the time. so was i comfortable with what we were doing? yes. i think in all honesty, if i were in the same situation at that time faced with the challenges and the concerns i had and given the insurances we had with regard -- assurances we had in that regard, i woul

but the cia was very, very careful. in fact it did not start its interrogation of abu zebeda, the high level detainee, they did not start those interrogations until they had full concurrence from the department of justice. i could not see why it would have been in cia interest to have misled the department of justice, knowing that would make them legally vulnerable. >> do you feel comfortable with the extent of the interrogations, do you feel comfortable with them? >> do i feel comfortable with the types of -- >> yes, the types of -- the way they were carried out, do you feel comfortable with them? >> yes, well i can only spok spo what i've seen myself. >> that's what i'm asking. >> i was there from 2004 to 2006. it's whether you approve of these methods or not it was a very disciplined program at that time, operating under the strict authority that was provided to the cia by the department of justice and the administration at the time. so was i comfortable with what we were doing? yes. i think in all honesty if i were i

air force be used to carry out the cia's drone program. ts on that. >> i like your question, what's the news here. there is no news. >> i wasn't being snarky. >> no. no. there is no news. but what she is doing is reframing the issue you. >> yes. >> so that's what this film does. because, look, there is very little law to answer your question. >> okay. >> specifically, there is very little law the domestic legal issue is about the central role of the cia. >> right. >> and that's what this film is about. because the cia is a secret organization and that means that we can't ask the legal questions we want to ask. and that's why this drone program is there. >> right. >> because you can't get at the legal questions and what the legal answers. >> what about the international -- >> i knew you were going there. >> there are all kind of international conventions and codes and laws. >> right. so the question is are you at war? because you really can't be striking at anyone, anyone, civilians, ever, and even at your enemy unless you are at war. so is

he -- at the cia up to the time in 2009. he said in the days after benghazi, the station chief in libya repeatedly told him this was a terror attack. but, he says, he overruled the chief and went with analysts at cia headquarters in langley who said, no, it was a protest that spou spun out of control. question -- how unusual is it to disregard your own man in the field? >> you give a lot of weight to your man in the field. keep in mind, our man in the field was more than 500 miles away from the incident, as well. >> he was in tripoli, not benghazi. >> that's right. michael's view is the totality of information that analysts had tilted it toward the analyst's version. michael mentioned something very importance in his testimony -- that he let the white house and state department know that saturday morning that the chief of station had a dissenting view. and in my view, that gave a certain confidence level to the white house and to the state department. in other words, there were a range of views here. be careful before you pu

the state department for the cia leadership. their judgment was coordinated across those communities with a judgment of the entire community, not just cia. as he now, subsequent information revealed this judgment should be incorrect. but let me emphasize this, our analysts reached their initial judgment because that is where the best visible information at the time but then, not policy. indeed, our analysts did what they are trained to do. take a judgment based on the best information at hand. make clear that the judgment might change when new information becomes available and then adjust the judgment is necessary. that is what i expected of them. it is what you expect of them and it is that the american people expect of them. it is exactly what they did. two, the cia's then the senior analyst on terrorism, not a standing officer in this committee knows well, wrote the first draft of the classified documents. neither the white house, state department nor i did so as some have alleged. after a top analyst wrote the first draft, an

greg hicks was on that call the cia station chief was on that call. they discuss in did they tell mike morell that there had been no protests? >> that's a good question. that's it for the panel. abbreviated because of the breaking news. a shooting at fort hood, texas. we have new information on the other side of the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we'll give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, the repairs are guaranteed for life. so call... to talk with an insurance expert about everything that comes standard with our base auto policy. and if you switc

i think he saw it just the way he described it in the hearing. this is cia pounding its chest at the expense of state. now you may think that's not a good thing. maybe i would think that's not a good thing. but as soon as i saw it, as soon as we saw michael had done that, i understood it. there is a natural instint there n -- instinct there to not walk over your parters. >> the senate intelligence committee has issued a report, going to have to be declassified and take months before we all get to see it, that says the cia misled the public about the severity and the success of the enhanced interrogation program. all of the activities happened before you came on in 2006. but the report says that more prisoners were abused than we had previously known and that the enhanced interrogation produced little intelligence of significance. >> yeah. i read an article by david ig nay shus earlier this week. >> a columnist for "the washington post." >> he said that senator feinstein wanted a report so scathing that it would ensure that an unamerican brutal program of det

this would have been seen as an attempt to make the cia look good. look good? it was the truth. mr. cia, you didn't just sell your agency to the politics of the obama reelection campaign and the kovup for the hillary 2016 campaign, you sold your soul and you purgered yourself for money, now making a fortune now working for one of hillary's dearest friends so she can continue to lie that she knew nothing about the dangers to her friend. there was a man in a garden who took 30 pieces of silver who denied and lied. what was his name? so you admit you lied to protect the woman who would be president who ignored and rejected the pleas of her ambassador and the men who were murdered. proud of yourself? and you sell your fellow cia men and women for your personal ambition? even comic book characters know what the truth. >> we're here to fight for truth and justice sf the american way. >> you're going to end up fighting every elected official in this country. >> truth and justice were betrayed by you, your president and the woman who would be president. it's not just the four men murdered, i

was the cia improperly monitoring the very people who were supposed to be overseeing them? secondly you have the political story. it's not a good idea for the cia to cross the intelligence communities their funders their overseers especially when you said dianne feinstein for the most part has been pretty vigorous in her defense of cia and its programs. >> we'll see what the justice department review comes up with and again if people are interested in looking at the cia and what the cia's role has been in wars around the world including afghanistan, the drone wars and osama bin laden, you should read mark's book, the way of knife. thank you for coming on. >> now to the supreme court which reviewed four the five-four decision either strengthens freedom of speech or blows out a fire wall against corruption. in chief justice john roberts ruling, right to participate in electing our political leaders. justice breyer wrote, today's decision eadvice rates, grave -- eviscerates,. >> let's bring in jeffrey stone from chicago, he's written a number of books on constitutional law and

of justice, impeding a proper legal analysis of the cia's detention and interrogation program. ludes, that in addition to producing little to no valuable intelligence, the cia was using interrogation methods that were not approved by the justice department or cia headquarters. the agency impeded effective white house oversight regarding the program. it actively evaded congressional oversight. and it hindered oversight by its own inspector general's office. earlier this month, the senate intelligence committee voted to declassify the report. president obama said he would like the declassification process to be expeditious. joining me now is senior national security and intelligence correspondent with the mcclatchy newspapers, jonathan landon. we have been talking about this report for weeks now, and you guys actually got a hold of parts of it. tell me, of the points that have been revealed to you, which do you find most distressing? >> first of all, i want to say this was a team effort with my partners marisa taylor and ali watkins. what we got were the 20 key conclusions of the

new revelations of the cia and torture and a new gop plan to save their party and the country. women of america, we just need to get hitched. >> every so often republicans do acknowledge that they are in a little bit of trouble. >> jeb bush and bobby jindal are promoting forces for a new super pac. >> new republican. >> new republican. >> that commercial is a dandy, isn't it? >> the senate intelligence committee torturing prisoners after 9/11. >> it chronicles a stain on our history. >> it's very sad to see senator feinstein and what she is doing. >> vice president cheney set a tone and an attitude for the cia. >> how many american lives would you be willing to put at risk. >> it's about your right for communities and activities. >> if you think money is speech and corporations are people and the wealthiest 1% are persecuted in this country, then you will love this. >> either he is a liar or too naive to hold any important job, especially and including this one. this is like a legal ruling written by the little mermaid. ♪ >>> in your forecast this week, democrats step up their

the intelligence. there was no intelligence about a video. there was no cia report blaming the video causing a protest. we now have the smoking gun. so i would tell the american people 18 months later we're finally getting to the truth and thank god for an independent judiciary because this is a damning email and it were not for a court you would never know about this, to the american people, 61% believe they are being misled. this is proof positive that right after the attack, three days after the attack, they did not give a damn about the intelligence. they wanted to create a political narrative to protect the president and i think most americans find that offensive and i'm not going to stop until somebody is held accountable for allowing it to be a death trap, somebody be fired for not coming to the aid of these people for nine and a half hours and somebody ought to be fired for lying to the american people and i don't believe ben rhodes did this by himself. somebody in the white house higher up than him in my view concocted this story because they were wo

the cia knew that for a fact. it's worth noting now mike morell works for an outfit called beacon global strategies. a partner there is a close friend of hillary clinton. and mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society

then the cia rebuttal should be declassified and put out there. le can look at both sides and make their own conclusions. >> the head of the program under president george w. bush at the cia, jose rodriguez who was in charge of operations spoke out about this after the house minority leader had something to say about it as well. >> many people in the cia are patriotic they protect our country in a way to avoid conflict and violence, et cetera. but the attitude that was there was very -- i think came from dick cheney. >> i think that dick cheney is proud of it no disrespect. but nancy pelosi is not even telling the truth about being briefed on the enhanced interrogation program. and on its use on abu. i know firsthand because i was the person briefing her. >> he said he was the person briefing her. charles? >> here we are dealing with post facto 12 years later when the threat and the crisis has passed and not remembering at all the context 12 years ago when we all expected a second attack within months. they had to sacrifice reputation. if they did

this is the world's, what i would call the cia's first black sight. after the war, the cia, well actually in 1947, after the cia teamed up with naval and army and airforce intelligence and used chemist and chemistry that was developed by the nazi and began enhanced interrogation techniques using lsd on what was soviet black prisoner because this was the cold war. the two physicians at the fill facility were the doctors. shriber went to texas and that is a long and tangled tail -- tale -- the cold war was heating up and this was the threat. the threat was the soviets, who by the way had their own german scientist program but unlike our program that put them on p pedstools and made them the top guard. the soviets loathed them and their scientist were kept at a second tier and squeezed of the information and sent back to germany by the russians and the then cia stepped in and tried to grab them so they could learn about the soviet's program but they didn't learn anything because the soviets didn't share the top tier of information. we moved forward with o

you served as deputy director of the cia. id you express such frustrations as secretary gates, clinton and others? >> as you know, the central intelligence agency conducts extremely sensitive operations discussedi routinely those operations with mr. brennan and mr. met anna. i would get asked a lot of questions, just as i get asked a lot of questions here. i never felt i was being micromanaged their, nor have i felt i was being micromanaged there. did you have knowledge of national security council's duffers directly calling chief of station around the world and being down into the day-to-day involvement? >> that did not happen to my knowledge. the interaction between the national security staff and central intelligence agency was from mr.clusively mcdonough and mr. brennan to me. >> i guess what i'm wondering is is that because of your level? we have all these e-mails show a variety of people that were involved in these talking points and other things. where i'm going is the like that shines on the day-to-day operations, what

this is a very classic model that the cia uses many times. rtain guy leaks the information, maybe unknowingly. he gets taken down. this was not the cia believing something it didn't know to be true. this was a cia under intense pressure from the administration from the white house, bush and cheney, to give them what bush and cheney said they needed. this is all part of the same thing. >> you've conflated it with w. and i think it's always been the g-2 was the vice president. >> w. was involved in all of the briefs as to what the yield from interrogation was or was not. that's very clear from the presidential daily briefs. >> as well as cheney. greg miller, the report you put out today is that neither congress north the department of justice got the full story of the terror program. your article quote the u.s. official briefed on the senate intelligence report saying, quote, the cia described its program repeatedly both to the department of justice and eventually to congress as getting unique otherwise unobtainable intelligence that helped disr

it did not come from the cia. d there at the podium time after time and said that she was referring to talking points created by the cia. now we see a document that comes from the white house, not from the cia attributing the protest to the video and we have the former director of the cia saying that that was not something his analyst would attribute it to -- >> that document we're talking about today was about the overall environment in the muslim world. >> the attack in benghazi was rooted in a protest over the video, that's what she said. >> i know that you and i are both in a different time zone right now. but we're still in april of 2014. and this is a discussion about what she said and what turned out to be the case. we have had dozens of times in this room -- >> wow. judicial watch obtaining documents and e-mails about the benghazi attack. and tom fitton, the president of judicial watch, joins me now. great to have you back, tom. >> thank you. >> when you hear that exchange, what do you think? >> my gosh, i