the cia had engaged in ruffin -- rough interrogation in the past. inhumane physical or psychological techniques are counterproductive because they do not produce intelligence, and will probably result in false answers, end quote. that was a letter from john hellgerson, cia director of congressional affairs dated january 8th, 1989. however, in late 2001 and '02, rather than researching practices and coordinate with other parts of the government with extensive expertise, the cia engaged two contract psychologists, who had never conducted interrogations themselves, or ever operated detention facilities. as the cia captured, or received custody of detainees through 2002, it maintained separate lines of management at headquarters for different detention facilities. no individual or office was in charge of the detention and interrogation program until january of 2003, by which point, more than one-third of cia detainees identified in our review had been detained and interrogated. one clear example of flawed cia management was the poorly managed detention f

second, the cia and cia's senior officers have taken the opportunity to explain their views on cia detentionnd interrogation operations. they have done this in on-the-record statements, in classified committee hearings. written testimony and answer to questions and through the formal response to the committee the in june, 2013, after reading the study. and, third, the committee had access to and utilized an extensive set of reports of interviews conducted by the cia inspector general and the cia's oral history program so while we could not conduct new interviews of individuals we did utilize transcripts or some reis of interviews of those directly engaged in detention and interrogation operations. this covered the exact topics we would have asked about had we conducted interviews ourselves. these interview reports and transcripts included but were not limited to the following. george tenant, director of the cia when the agency took custody and interrogate it had majority of detainees. jose rodriguez direct o of the cia's counterterrorism center, a key player in the program. cia general counc

it cites the former cia inspector general in 2005 wrote the following to the then director of the cia, which clearly states the situation with respect to this report. we found that the agency over the decades continued to get itself into messes related to interrogation programs for one overriding reason. we do not document and learn from our experience. each generation of officers is left to impro vise anew with programmatic results for our officers as individuals and for our agency. i believe that to be true. i agree with him. his comments are true today, but this must change. on march 11, 2009, the committee voted 14-1 to begin a review of the cia's detention and interrogation program. over the past five years, a small team of committee investigators pored over the more than 6.3 million pages of cia records the leader spoke about to complete this report or what we call the study. it shows that the cia's actions a decade ago are a stain on our value and on our history. the release of this 500 page summary cannot remove that stain, but it can and does say to our people and the world t

, the general counsel of the cia. disturbing new facts that came out of this presentation is the extent to which the cia went to to not only hide the program but to mislead congress. that's a crime. people are prosecuted for those kinds of crimes all the time and no one has been charged. senator feinstein has talked about how the tapes were destroyed soon after the legality of the crimes were raised. this is not just a couple of tapes. these were dozens of tapes and the cia admitted that they were destroyed because officials believed it could be used as against them. in a conventional criminal case, that's an admission to a cream. it would be directed at attorney general holder and the administration, the actual investigation by durham was cited by feinstein as being used by the administration, specifically the cia, to keep people from answering their questions. >> so a lot of that -- not just even on its surface is uncomfortable but deep down it's uncomfortable. i have a minute left. one of the most significant and h

the ciaed. used these examples t presentations to the white house, in testimony to congress, in submissions to the department of justice and ultimately to the american people. some ofim the claims are well-known. the capture of khalid sheikh mohammed. the prevention of attacks against the library tower of los angeles and the takedown of osama bin laden.he other claims were made only in classified settings, to the white house, congress, and the department of justice. in each case the cia claimed that critical and unique information came from one or more detainees in its custody after they were subjected to the cia'ss. coercive techniques andn that information led to specifiu counter terrorism success. our staff reviewed everyone of the 20 cases and not a single case holds up. in every single one of thesese cases at least one of the following was true. one, the intelligence community had information separate from the use of eits that led toe the terrorist disruption or capture. two, information fro

nobody at the cia is saying the program was run perfectly. there were a number of cases where people overstepped their bounds and did bad things. but when that happened, cia officers on the scene reported that up the chain of command, reported it to the inspector general. when appropriate, it was reported to the department of justice. what it doesn't stress in there is this entire program was examined carefully by one of the most dogged prosecutors in the u.s. government, john durham, who looked at all the information and he found nothing prosecutable. he took the time to sit down and talk to people, to interview people who were involved. 5 1/2 years, senator feinstein's committee never bothered to do that. >> she said the justice department told her and the committee, you can't interview officials from the cia, the contractors, because potentially they could be indicted, criminally investigated and just rely on the documents being made available to you, you can't actually -- yesterday i spoke to john rizzo, the chief counsel for the cia. he s

why was the cia -- why would the cia not admitted to that earlier? his report was based entirely on a document search. we had to talk to officials who were responsible for these documents. there could be errors in the documentation. but second, there's no doubt in my mind that mistakes were made in this program. there may have been some abuses, and that's why republicans wanted an honest evaluation of this program. it was conducted immediately in the aftermath of 9/11 when, basically, the white house was given carte blanche to do whatever it takes to defend our country against terrorism. of course some mistakes were made, and it's a shame we didn't have an honest, bipartisan assessment of this program to find out what those mistakes were. jon: well, how would you have made it more honest? i mean, you say we needed an honest, bipartisan assessment. how would you have achieved that? >> we should have had republican and democratic staffers working cooperatively to determine the facts of this case. there would have been a bipartisan body of the report, an

that's the cia cable from caution 12, 2002. according to another cia cable, officers also planned to cremate him should he not survive his interrogation. source cia cable july 15, 2002. after the news and photographs emerged from the united states military detention of iraqis at abu ghraib, they held a hearing on the matter on may 12th, 2004. without disclosing details of their own interrogation program, the cia director testified that cia interrogations were nothing like what was depicted at abu ghraib, the united states prison in iraq were abused by american personnel. this was false. cia detainees described as a dungeon were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use for human waste. the u.s. bureau of prisons personnel went to that location in november 2002. according to a cia e-mail told officers they had "never been in a facility where individuals are so sensory-deprived." the source is cia e-mail, sender and recipient redacted, december 5th, 2002. thr

the cia obviously has a position on this. they're not making things up. but what we really need to do is see the interrogation reports and compare them with all the other documentation. it may turn out that the cia is right. but right now, this has become too partisan. we're not getting at the truth. and i think it would behoove the cia to make its case just as it's made its case that it didn't go off on this program of enhanced interrogation on its own. it was ordered from the top, approved by the senate and the house. and it should point out why it believes that enhanced interrogation led to the murder of bin laden. >> peter, button this up for us. you're the historian and the scholar. you've gone through the senate intelligence committee report, the minority report, the cia report, but you've also spent more than a decade studying all of this. >> well, hopefully, conversation to be continued because there's a 6,000 page version of this -- >> which is classified. >> which is classified. but the cia would have a strong interest in putting out more informa

idealogically there. >> the cia first they are not going to tell the truth. >> the cia is in favor ofis i assume. that is ideologically consistent. for them. they have not indicated anything in the report. >> yes, they have. >> we did not do any of this stuff. >> they have chosen a few things. but they have also said their main defense is we did it and they knew about it. we breached them.i(sl not only did they say it was they said you e doing more. these democrats are going i don't remember that. >> mark udall said they lied. you don't think you should be prosecuted for that. >> what are the names of the cia operatives revealed. it must be said they can get a body guard. >> he is on the far left of the fringe. >> good to have the light of day shine on that. >> he was trying to keep us safe. why did he want to do something. >> they go to doj to brief them. anything was in edition to that. >> don't you feel a little uncomfortable judging yourself harshly when they were trying to keep us safe. there was a fear there might be a nuclear bomb set off in the united states. they don't know h

but the cia agents are angry. m says they think he has gone rogue. >> again, i improvised for myself. i took control. >> aren't they supposed to be running you rather than you running them? >> in the ideal world, probably, yes. >> bottom line, the cia can't be picky. to locate and eliminate awlaki, they need storm, and they are willing to pay. if his plan works. you get a quarter of a million dollars from the cia when aminah crosses into yemen? >> that's correct. >> after seven weeks, storm sent back to vienna for another meeting with aminah. the next step in the match making. he shows her this video from awlaki. >> this recording is done specifically for sister aminah. the brother who's carrying this recording is a trustworthy brother. >> what's her reaction when she's watching that video? >> she's full of joy and tears. you do really know him, she says. you do really know him. >> i hope you are well. >> then storm has her record a video for awlaki in return. >> my brother, it's me, aminah, and i just want to tell

was it the cia solely or the people above them? >> that's the thing, an entire conversation about how president, the white house, congress really entirely left in the dark here. and when the dust settles, should anyone be punished? should there be prison time? we're going to continue this. evan perez, our justice correspondent in washington. now, thank you. the report also says that as the cia was cruelly trying to extract this information from these detainees they were consciously keeping as evan pointed out all of this information from top government leaders. let me play more from today's hearing. again, this is senator, the chairwoman of the committee, dianne feinstein. >> in another example, the cia in coordination with white house officials and staff initially withheld information of the cia's interrogation techniques from secretary of state colin powell and secretary of defense donald rumsfeld. there are cia records stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns t t that, and i qu

from 9/11. >> the cia torture revealed. >> tonight the senate's scathing report on cia interrogationts. >> the release of a highly controversial and in flammable report on cia terror techniques following the 9/11 attacks. >> some samples of media reports earlier this week after the senate released its report of the cia enhanced interrogation techniques. so how did the media do in covering this story? howie airs on sunday mornings. howie, how did they do? >> there were two waves of media that covered this story. the majority were the sound bites you just played, gruesome terror techniques employed by the cia. banner headline, cia of brutality and deceit. but the other way was raaimed a diane feinstein and the democrats for potentially jeopardizing the lives of everyone around the globe by releasing this report and no study identifying any cia officials. >> i don't know if we have wolf blitzer in the control room, but it was interesting to see diane feinstein go on with wolf blitzer. he pressed her on all the relevant points, and either she wasn't expecting it -- they knew each other a

in fact, the cia had previously sent a letter to the intelligence committee in 1989, and here is the quote, that inhumane physical or psychological techniques are counterproductive because they do not produce intelligence and will probably result in false answers, end quote. that was a letter from john helgerson, cia director of congressional affairs, dated january 8th, 1989. however, in late 2001 and '2 rather than research interrogation practices and coordinate with other parts of the government with extensive expertise in detention and interrogation of terrorist attacks, the cia engaged two contract psychologists who had never conducted interrogations themselves or ever operated detention facilities. as the cia captured or received custody of detainees through 2002, it maintained separate lines of management at headquarters for different detention facilities. no individual or office was in charge of the detention and interrogation program until january of 2003 by which point more than one-third of cia detainees identified in our review had been detained and interrogated. one clear

and by the way, also have a brutal cia. hink the report shows that we had a rogue operation. i think the report alleges there was a rogue operation. and what the cia did or didn't do is still very much in question. but to go back to john kerry, it would have been so much better if this report had been held until a time when isis is in retreat. so that they can't use this as a recruiting tool. they can't exploit this against us and against our american personnel overseas. and there is that danger now. >> you know, the timing of this. >> gloria, hold on one second. politically speaking, if they didn't release it this week, probably wasn't going to be released for a long time because the republicans are going to be the majority in the senate starting january. >> that was clearly dianne feinstein's thinking, which is she is no longer going to be chairman of that committee. and there's a long history here, wolf. they've been working on this report for years. they have accused the cia of spying on senate investigators. this is a t

where does that leave the cia? >> i think one thing the former officials will tell you is that the cia may not have briefed the president before 2006, but they had briefed the national security advisers, steve hadley, cons le condoleeza rice and it's not normal for the cia to brief on the very detailed things we're seeing here. that they believe, the former officials, that they had met the requirement by briefing the national security adviser, who in turn had briefed the president. >> but i don't think that washes. you look at this report and you see a system of management that is clearly not working, richard. you see donald rumsfeld out of the loop. you see cia officers telling we're not going to tell collin powell because this would upset him. you have a management of this program that raises questions about the security process. >> you have a management of a secret program is that is ugly, that people don't to want talk about, that they are deliberately not trying to talk about. by the way, we have the same progr

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but what about they head up the fbi and cia. portant positions. >> not only that, but the whole defense securityé9÷ apparatus o the defense administration. >> how can he come out now and condemn them? >> i don't think that's appropriate. even though torture is --7 condemns we torture. how do we know we're still not rendering to black site sns. >> he ended that program. so he should have -- he should know more than we know about whether or not it's going on. but why would he come out and say they shouldn't have done this and is on and so forth and the democrats so up in arms about this when these two guys have been given powerful posts in this administration? >> he's certainly playing to his base, his constituency. clearly it's a political move because he wants to be assuring the people who are his base. >> let's talk about the drones. that's the other thing. even if you feel as dianne feinstein and everybody else does in this report that this was torture and is terrible and isn't effective, isn't it better than dying? >> i mean,

the cia tactics and alleged bribes. why torture didn't even work. extreme measures, near drowns and death threats. secret tactics more brutal than we knew. backlash, how will the world react? and plus, hiding out. the fears of undocumented immigrants. coming out of the shadows, and release plans. the new steps to fight california's drought. >> nearly drowning prisoners, depriving them of sleep for up to a week. keeping america safe, and it may not have done any good at all. all of this is deposited in a new report, and tonight, the world is reacting. patty has more. >> hundreds page of pains with details and evidence of what happened to men. >> the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe. >> up to 180 hours t. no sleep, more than a week. enemas, not for medical reasons. and it's likely that three people were water boarded, which the cia itself described as a series of near drowns, and a series of physical, violent beats. assurances from top cia bosses the senate report says that the cia purposely lied to congress, the white ho

bush, you know, defending the cia. >> and the cia defending the cia. that's right. the report is -- there is a minority report that was also issued today from the senate republicans with the one exception of susan collins. and it's not just their conclusion that releasing this report puts at harm americans abroad, u.s. troops and cia officers and others. they also take issue with the content of the report. let me read one quote here. they say, basically overall senate democrats' biases led to faulty analysis, serious inaccuracies and misrepresentations of fact. there are people who work under the obama administration for the cia who also dispute much of what is in this report. and we should point out that the cia itself has issued statements today. they're basically taking issue with, first of all, the claim that torture or enhanced interrogation techniques, let's call it what it is, torture. they say it did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans. they say it was critical to our understanding of al qaeda and continues to inform our counterterrorism effo

, the media, and the american public. third, cia's management of the program was inadequate and deeply flawed. in fourth, the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe. >> the senate report details a list of torture methods used on prisoners -- waterboarding, sexual threats with broomsticks, "rectal feeding" or "rectal hydration." in one case, a prisoner had his entire lunch tray purÉed and administered by in the month. prisoners were threatened with buzzing power drills. some captives were deprived of sleep for up to 180 hours, at times with their hands shackled above their heads. speaking on the floor of the senate tuesday, feinstin discussed the death of gul rahman at a cia black site north of kabul afghanistan known as the salt pit. >> the cia placed a junior officer with no relevant experience in charge of the site. another --r 2002, and otherwise healthy detainee was being held mostly nude and change a concrete floor, died at the facility from what is believed to of been hypothermia. 2003,erviews conducted

the cia did not have prisoners in custody at this point. they had decided it was a bad idea because it didn't work. they had affirmed that over and over and over again. but in the abstract, thinking about getting new prisoner after 9/11, they decided that they thought they might want to start torturing people. so they better come up with a way to justify it. torture is what they called it themselves. we didn't exactly have anybody on staff who knew how to do it. the closest thing we had were the training programs in the u.s. military that were designed to help our troops, u.s. troops, who might might be captured abroad to some terrorist group somewhere. we had these training programs that would help them survive somebody else torturing them so those programs, that is where the cia went to help develop what they specifically called a torture program. they tapped two psychologists who help service members survive torture techniques. and, basically, they asked the psychologists to do that training in reverse. to come up with ways not to survive

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did the cia do the right thing did the cia do the right thing or go too far?@oyu0x?x@8p a remote that lives on your phone. more wi-fi in more places. a movie library you can take wherever you go. internet speeds that have gotten faster 13 times in 12 years. the innovators and inventors at comcast labs are creating more possibilities for more people every day. comcast nbcuniversal. bringing media and technology together for you. >>> if one man was at the heart of the enhanced interrogation program it was jose rodriguez. during the years after 9/11 he was the head of the cia counterterrorism program and then ran the national clandestine service. mr. rodriguez joins us to discuss this week's controversy. mr. rodriguez, you were the man who came up with the enhanced interrogation program after all we've heard this week about waterboarding, about confinement in coffin-like spaces, mock executions. any regrets? do you have any second thoughts? >> absolutely not, chris. not one bit. prior to the inte mentation of the enhanced interrogation techniques abu zabada stopped tal

>> i was at the cia at the time.e who went to those briefings tell me that they were extensively briefed and i have no reason to believe -- >> john brennan, the number four official at the cia, was he extensively briefed on what was going on? do you think he knew what was going on? >> as you said in the press conference today, he was aware of the program in general. he was not in the line of chain of command for it so i wouldn't expect that he would have been up to speed on every intimate detail on it but the people who were briefing, the people from the operation's director, counterterrorism center did so completely and fully and responsively. it was a highly classified and sensitive program. it's understandable that not everyone around knew about it. the fact that some members of congress developed amnesia -- >> who developed amnesia? >> nancy pelosi said they didn't get briefed on it at all but then she said well, they did talk about the waterboarding. a lot of people had amnesia and maybe it's embarrassing becaus

interrogation inclurded in the report. cia detainees, particularly thosed to standing sleep deprivation were routinely placed in diapers. a waste bucket was removed from the cell for punishment according to a cia cable. hazeem requested a bucket in which he could relieve himself but was told all rewards must be earned. they discussed rectal hydration as a means of behavior control. as one officer wrote while iv infusion is safe and effect, we were impressed with the ancillary effectiveness of the rectal infusion. the same officer provided a description of the proceduriting that, regarding the rectal tube, if you place it and open up the iv tubing, the flow will cell regulate, sloshing up the sbeps tins. the officer wrote that, what i infer is that you get a tube up as far as uh you can then open the iv wide. as described in the context of the rectal feeding, ensure was infeuded in a in regard-facing position with head lower than torso. the lunch trey consisting of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins were pure rayed and

the cia under fire. mer lawyer for the spy agency who signed off on the bush era program that critics now describe as torture. why didn't he keep secretary of state colin powell in the dark? plus, protests back lash. will police try to crack down on daily demonstrations against nypd chokehold case? and stabbing attack. the dramatic video of a terrifying attack in new york city that ended with police opening fire. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. >> a new bulletin warning the terrorists may, repeat, may retaliate against americans in the united states or around the world. this after today's release of an explosive report on cia interrogation of terrorists during the bush administration. democrats on the $senate committee say the tactics were far more brutal than previously revealed and in some cases amounted to torture. the cia is pushing back, calling the program effective. the report is reigniting a debate over terri

do you believe the cia misled you? >> no, of course, i would say looked closely at that part of the report. what i see -- iin the first in the first round in august, what was being done, i think the problem to the cia -- the approval they got from the justice department for this interrogation method is only good based on those facts. if they weren't try and misrepresent things, that would be stupid on their part, because they would be putting themselves at an enormous risk. i do not think that is what happened. taking it at face value, i do not see agency in negation in conspiracy and cover-up, to beat up and brutalized al qaeda members for what appears to no reason. that's what the report says, there was no reason. i do not think that is the true that all. what i see as a chaotic and bureaucratic response. the cia has no infrastructure. they got no facilities. they don't have any expertise in doing this. it's been demanded of them by the white house and congress, basically everyone, to go on the offensive for al qaeda.

more than the cia officials ever admitted publicly. and a quote, at least 26 detainees were wrongfully held. it's a horrifying account. but today, more debate our key question. did the program work? did these techniques stop terror attacks? today, senators of both parties said no. >> coercive interrogation techniques did not produce the vital, otherwise unavailable intelligence the cia has claimed. >> i know from personal experience, that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good in intelligence. and what the advocates of harsh and cruel interrogation methods have never established, is that we couldn't have gathered as good or more reliable intelligence from using humane methods. >> but today cia directors for president bush wrote for the "wall street journal" insisting these interrogations saved lives. it's just what president bush said when he first acknowledged the program's existence back in 2006. >> i can say that questioning the detainees in this program has given us information that has saved innocent lives by helpin

the cia has admitted as much in its june 27, 2013, response to the study. there is also no doubt that there were instances in which cia interrogators exceeded their authorities and certain detainees may have suffered as a result. however, the executive summary and findings and conclusions released today contain a disturbing number of factual and analytical errors. these factual and analytical shortfalls ultimately lead to an unacceptable number of incorrect claims and invalid conclusions that i cannot endorse. the study essentially refuses to admit that cia detainees, especially cia detainees subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, provided intelligence information which helped the united states government and its allies to neutralize a numerous terrorist threats. on its face this refusal doesn't make sense, given the vast amount of information gained from these interrogations, the thousands of intelligence reports that were generated as a result of them, the capture of additional terrorists and the disruption of the plots those captured terrorists w

the cia continues to say it. we will never know whether these techniques were necessary to the information. my view, charlie, after having thought about this, that is a bit of a copout. you can say that about anything unpleasant in the u.s.. for example, you can desk the question,, was it necessary for abraham lincoln to suspend habeas corpus to win the civil war? was it necessary for the u.s. to drop atomic bombs on japan? we will never know. of course it is unknowable. the people on the ground believe it was necessary. >> john brennan thinks it is unknowable. >> i think it is politically convenient to say it is unknowable. >> you have to understand the context. the word they use his context. give us a sense of the context. mike hayden is saying, if we had not done these things, and there had been a successful attack six months later, there would be hell to pay. people would have said, why did you not know this? what is the context? >> context is important. >> who is pushing and demanding. >> let me tell you how

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>> this report throws the cia under the bus. it throws under the bus all of those people who actually worked so hard to protect the country. and actually, my concern is it subjects them to threats from isis, which i think we have already begun to see. it throws under the bus our liaisoncounterparts. i'm just shocked that the united states of america would betray its liaison counterparts who stepped up to the plate to help those after 9/11. this is a serious problem for us and for the intelligence community. and we're going to pay the price for this. >> when you say pay the price, that leads me to my final question. do you think this is going to make people in the government and the cia and the people who authorize it, will make them more timid the next time we face the kind of imminent threat we faced in the wake of 9/11? >> leaders at the agency are going to wonder whether the authorities that they received from their president will last longer than one election phase. that's a big concern. we want the cia to be confident that

the cia was asked to do this. they were given authorizations and many people are saying to me privately, now we are being held out to dry. you asked them to do this and now the world is coming down on top of it. the politicians involved, condi, president bush, senior people knew how was being gathered. they are not being mentioned. the military is not being mentioned. this was a dark period and one that a lot of people say we should move beyond. why at this stage are we just dredgeing it up and focusing on the actions. >> some indication or suspicion this may be about scapegoating. >> rewriting history. when you look at this period and i think we are living in a 9/11 era. i hoped that the final parentheses had been put on. unfortunately we are still living in that 9/11 era. when you look back, how are you going to remember this? is it remembered as the president in which the cia in secret while lying to the political leadership beat people to death and did horrible things and didn't get results? that's what today's

trial or no trial, the cia has some big names coming to its defense, from former vice president dick cheney who blasted the report on fox news. >> i think it's a terrible piece of work. we did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9/11 and to prevent a further attack and we were successful on both parts. and i think -- >> this report says it was not successful. >> their report is full of crap. >> reporter: to the agency's former director michael hayden. >> what stunned me about the report most is the fact it was written in the way it was written. it is an unrelenting prosecutorial document. >> reporter: both men say the cia is right inserting harsh interrogation techniques like shows shop in the film "zero dark thirty" methods prevented attacks and saved life. but on that crucial question, the white house takes no position. >> it is impossible to know the counter-factual. it's impossible to know whether or not this information could have been obtained using tactics that are consistent with the army field manual or other law enforcement techniques. >

its custody after they were subjected to the cia's coworsive techniques. and that lead to specific counter terrorism success. our staff reviewed every once of the 20 cases, and not a single case holds up. in every single one, at least one of the following was true. one, the intelligence community had information separate from the use of eit's that lead to the terrorists disruption or capture. two, information from a detainee subjected to eit's play no roll. and three, the purported terrorist plot never did exist. the study concludes that no intelligence was ever provided from any detainee the cia held. that is false, and the study makes no such claim. what is true is that actionable intelligence that was, quote, otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable, was not obtained using these coercive interrogation techniques. the report also chronicles where the use of interrogation techniques that do not involve physical force were effective, specifically, the report provides examples where interrogators sufficient information to confront detainees with facts, k

the measures that were used by the cia and the u.s.itary, post 9/11 actually were torture techniques that we were subjected to in our training so that we would know what happens to you when you are tortured, not as an interrogation tool to extract useful information. it's just clear, there's no debate. senator mccain is completely right. he knows firsthand. >> did you think at the time that there would be repercussions? when you were in the midst of this, i'm just curious. i can imagine if you're having a crisis in confidence in what's going on around you, you would be conflicted. how did you respond at the time. i'm curious. >> this is part of the tragedy of the whole saga. james pavet who at the time was the most senior operations officer, the head of the director of operations of the cia in 2001. the senior leadership and everyone drown the ranks that the agency exists to do the job on the margins of what is acceptable. when the order came to interrogate these people, he said and the cia leaders said the cia is always left holding t

did the cia do the right thing did the cia do the right thing or go too far? will that be all, sir? thank you. ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. i order b14. i get b14. no surprises. buying business internet, on the other hand, can be a roller coaster white knuckle thrill ride. you're promised one speed. but do you consistently get it? you do with comcast business. and often even more. it's reliable. just like kung pao fish. thank you, ping. reliably fast internet starts at $89.95 a month. comcast business. built for business. >>> if one man was at the heart of the enhanced interrogation program it was jose rodriguez. during the years after 9/11 he was the head of the cia counterterrorism program and then ran the national clandestine service. mr. rodriguez joins us to discuss this week's controversy. mr. rodriguez, you were the man who came up with the enhanced interrogation program after all we've heard this week about waterboarding, about confinement in coffin-like spaces, mock executions. any regrets? do you have any second thoughts? >> absolutely not, chris

bush know about the tactics that the report says the cia was using? the report says he was in the dark for years. that's what it suggested, at least. we'll discuss, next. >>> we're fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the cia serving on our behalf. these are patriots and whatever the report says, if it did inishes their contributions to our country sittwe off base. >> former president bush there speaking out on the senate cia torture report. it describes mock executions, sleep deprivation, slapping, punching, freezing showers. detainees shackled for hours to a concrete floor. >> now, the reports suggest the cia used these interrogation methods but that president bush was not told about it for years. let's bring in josh rogan. josh, you've written about this. help us understand what the report says here. what was it that the president was not told and for how long? >> thanks, great to see you. according to the report the senate said that the cia didn't brief the president on the details of the techniques until september, 2006, more than four

include possible criminal actions of cia employees in the course of cia detention and interrogation activities. at the time, the committee's vice chairman, kit bond, withdrew the minority participation in the study, citing the attorney general's expanded investigation is the reason. the department of justice refused to coordinate its investigation with the intelligence committee's review. as a result, possible interviewees could be subject to additional liability if they were interviewed. and the cia, citing the attorney general's investigation, would not instruct its employees to participate in interviews. host: senator dianne feinstein this past week on the senate floor. steven groves. guest: this is perhaps the lamest excuse we heard from senator feinstein. before i was in heritage, i was the senior counsel on the subcommittee of investigations in the senate. we investigated very controversial issues, very sensitive issues. we investigated cases where the justice department also had an interest in the case. our investigations proceeded along two tracks. we cooperated with the just

these are the communications within the cia as to what happened. can't claim that tying someone to the floor and have them freeze to death is not torture. you can't say 18 times someone is waterboarded. by the way, on waterboarding it began with spanish inquisition. it was done during the philippine war. we tried and hung japanese war criminals for waterboarding americans in world war ii. >> schieffer: here is the thing. the vice president, dick cheney says that these things worked that we had to do it and they worked. do you think they worked? >> that is -- first of all i think we established that it was torture that is the big second question. let me tell you general petraeus, there's no man alive that military leader that i respect more than general petraeus, quote, why we are warriors we are also human beings. if you want information from a detainee you become his best friend and that is what worked for us with our special operators as well as our conventional forces in both owe rook and in afghanistan. i think we should give some weight to gene

they didn't talk to the cia agents directly. ey had transcripts when those agents were interviewed. and they went through every one of the cases and they found -- excuse me -- they found no basis for a piece of intelligence that came as a result of -- >> well. >> -- excuse me! excuse me, pat. i want to finish my point. he makes the point that it led to the cur your to obama. that information -- currior to obama. it came from several places and the person who was waterboarded before he was waterboarded! [talking at the same time] >> hold on. hold on. hold on, pat. >> i'll let pat jump in. there's some intelligence. that's true. but the eit did provide intelligence. >> what's that? >> enhanced intelligence techniques. >> all right. let's call it. think that waterboarding is torture, but sleep depravation, all that, that's not pleasant stuff. easy for me to say that. but when you're dealing with al qaeda informants trained to go through torture, you have to do it. >> they have cherrypicked this. this is good. this one is good. they

i first joined the cia in 1980. over the course of my career, i've come to experience and cia's many the national accomplishments. many of our conscience will not carry out many looking for without praise. those in our workforce are among some best and brightest that our nation has to offer. over the last several days, we have been touched by the outpouring of support, confidence, and pride that her have agues in government expressed -- both publicly and privately. these expressions of kindness and support have been inspiring. his he president said in as americans we owe a profound debt of gratitude to our fellow citizens to keep us safe -- the -- solemn rows of the cia have sacrificed themselves to serve us. the stars are testament to our history, our spirit, and a consistent reminder of the men and women who make sacrifices to help keep our fellow citizens strong. now, i would be happy to you ess questions that might have. >> from the wall street journal -- a two-part question. the first is, did you support the pub