they're about all the prisoners that had been in cia custody. they are about the cables back and forth between headquarters and the field. they are internal memos about what was gleaned from the interrogation sessions. it's basically the cia's own internal raw history of its program. >> caught up between the senate and the cia... >> narrator: once the report was written, a bitter political fight broke out over making it public. >> the battle over making public a senate report on the cia's interrogation methods. >> narrator: by december of 2014, feinstein prevailed. the report was at the printers. >> the report is from democrats on the senate intelligence... >> a report detailing harsh interrogation tactics... >> narrator: now both histories can be examined. >> while in cia custody... >> narrator: the senate document... >> ...how the coerced interrogation worked. >> narrator: ...versus the cia's insiders. >> the headline is: "cia interrogations work." >> narrator: what the cia did... >> it was a good program. it was a legal program. it was not tor

on a spy mission for the cia. 's hoping his video may help lead his spy masters to the hideout of one of the world's most dangerous terrorists. >> they would follow my mobile phone, satellite and see the town without standing still and not moving around. >> the cia will get the video, storm says, only if he survives the mission. the stakes could not be higher. >> if it were leaked or revealed i was a spy, there's no way i could get out there that place because i'm there by myself and i would get executed. >> how would they execute you? >> in the worst possibly way, slash your throat, behead heah shoot you, hang you up, cutefy you. >> storm's target, one of the united states' most wanted al qaeda leaders. american born cleric anwar awlaki. now in yemen bursting with hate for the u.s. >> we're not against americans for just being american. we are against evil, and america as a whole has turned into a nation of evil. >> awlaki has many like-minded followers. and there is a grave concern that he is inspiring, even help

he retired from the cia after 33 years of service. played a central role in some of the most pivotal events and recent history. he was with president bush on september 11, 2001 and was in the white house situation room the day osama bin laden was killed. he writes about his experiences and counterterrorism missions in a new book called “the great war of our time: the cia's fight against terrorism from al qa'ida to isis.” i'm pleased to have mike morell back at this table. mike: it's always great to be here. charlie: why title it "the great war of our time?" mike: this challenge we face against islamic extremism is in some ways akin to the cold war. i call it "the great war" for that reason and because of the timeframe we are talking about here. i believe my children's generation and my grandchildren's generation will still be fighting this thing. charlie: what is our goal? contain them? mike: i think it's to get to a place where it's no longer a military problem more paramilitary problem, but a law enforcement problem. when we move fr

mike morell is here, he is the cia's former deputy director and acting director. he retired from the agency in 2013 after 33 years of service, he has played a central role in some of the most pivotal events in recent history. he was with president bush on september 11th 12001 when terrorists attacked parker. he was also in the white house situation room on may 1st, to 11 the day bin laden was killed. he writes about his experiences and also about counterterrorism missions in a new book. the book is called the great war of our time the cia's fight against terrorism from al qaeda to isis. i am pleased to have mike morell back at this table. welcome. >> thank you charlie. it is always great to be here. >> yeah. >> why the title the great war of over time? >> because i think in some ways this challenge we face against islamic extrial-- extreme imp ideology is in some way a akin to the cold war. and i call the great war for that reason am i also call it the great because of the time frame we're tacking about here. i believe that my children's generation and grandchildre

it was chilling to the medical professionals in the cia who are pushing back. was chilling to the inspector general who was pushing back. the program was shut down. and just at that moment when the program was shut down, the office of legal counsel, the white house, some members of the cia and the immigrant psychological association, appeared to have all worked together to revive that program and to find the rationale for psychologist to be able to help that program continue. amy: what are you looking for now? what is the next step taking place right now with the american's ecological association? >> as we heard from senator feinstein when james risen plus article came out last week, there is clear congressional interest in what happens next and she said in her statement that she is looking for to the results of the hoffman investigation, the independent review of alleged -- amy: is this independent? he is been hired by the americans psychological association? >> yes, it is called by the apa an independent review. dr. reisner and i and our co-authors have met e

is there lessons the cia could take from that? mr. orell: we actually way ahead of the defense department. when george tenant was the director of cia, he created a not-for-profit private entity whose job is -- this is all public information. the job is to invest seed money in startups in which he could tell believes there is a technology that will be of use to the intelligence community and will be commercially viable so that the company will survive and continue to enhance the technology and service it. they have been incredibly successful over the years, 70% of its investments have resulted in products coming back to the intelligence community. it's one of the largest hedge funds now in silicon valley. it has been incredibly successful in bringing technology into cia and the intelligence committee. host: with akamai would like to thank mr. morel -- with that, i would like to thank mr. morell for his insightful discussion. with that, this proceeding is closed. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning perfor

is there any lesson that the cia could take from that? >> we are way ahead of the defense department. when george tenet was the director of the cia, he created a non-for profit -- intertel -- inc. you tell's job was to do develop seed money. it will be of use to the intelligence community, and it will be commercially viable. the company will continue to provide and enhance the technology. intertel has been incredibly successful over the past few years. it is one of the largest hedge funds now in silicon valley. it has been incredibly successful in bringing technology in. >> with that, i would like to thank you for your insightful discussion today. i would like to thank you all for joining us. without, this is closed. next, live. your comments on washington journal. then newsmakers with senator jackson. then, a house hearing on capitol police. >> for he today -- gentlemen in england now a bed shall think themselves accursed that they were not here. >> one drop of blood drawn from the country's bosom. -- of foreign court. michael whitmore ta

by 1975, that investigation goes far beyond the cia. these intelligence activities are happening in the united states, they are domestic surveillance programs, and they are happening within a variety of federal institutions. more importantly, to this point about the late 1960's and early 1970's in the u.s. senate, we really have to look at this as beverly suggested, as a time of -- there is a deep impulse within the senate of the 1970's of inquiry and oversight. a recognition by democrats, and importantly, and i think this is something we need to do a header job of telling of republicans and moderate republicans saying that congress has been derelict in its duty and has not exercised effective oversight over these many years, these decades now, over the intelligence community, and that congress needs to reassert its prerogative. so, why does this happen in 1975? if we go back even a couple of more years beyond seymour hersh, we know this is happening in a very deliberate way in the u.s. senate. it really lays the groundwork for the churc

any was also an asset of the cia. were so worried in america the story about -- we got dna via the pakistanis before 2010. you needed dna. you needed it to get into abbottabad and take dna from bin laden. we had samples from his family. the president wanted to know that was really bin laden. so a pakistani doctor was assigned to move next door to the house in abbottabad. in fact, journalists after the rate found his name on a door plate in one of the houses next to it. they had to protect him. so they created a story, the cia and the wisdom, that alfretta was the one who tried to go in and take unsuccessfully, to get a dna sample from bin laden which of course, led to a huge outcry against the idea that the western intelligence media, the cia and the brits also often criticized for the same way, are behind some of the vaccination programs. this is the believe that is certainly prevalent in africa. and we had tremendously adverse consequences. amy: we have 10 seconds. >> implications for the health and well-being of pe

and it was a big battle between marshall and the cia. and he had the moral courage of his convictions to pursue that debate and in the end he was proven right. so, and the other thing i would say, another reason why you haven't heard his story is he was a horrible bureaucrat. he's terrible at self-promotion which is why we had to do the damn book instead of him. [laughter] i used to kid and say, you know, you throw words around like manhole covers, you're tighter than a clam with lockjaw, you know, these sorts of things. but behind that sort of sold stoll lid exterior masks an emotional person. and there are some stories in the book i'd be glad to talk about them if you're interested, just the kind of deep feeling he has about other people, about the people he's mentored, many over the years. and also about his country. and i thought that kind of was reflective of the attitude of the greatest generation which is really passing from the scene right now. >> so, sorry. barry began by mentioning this concept net assessment, which is if it's a

why does the cia fight release of these critical documents to historians? > so i don't know the specifics in each case. i really don't know the specifics but i will tell you a personal view. my personal view is that there is no room for the central intelligence agency and its senior leadership to talk to the public about what the cia does. there's more room for us to release documents, it's resource intensive. it's not zero cost. with other things to do so you got to balance these things. but i think there is more room for us to put more out there because i do think it's very important, very important in a democracy, particularly for secret intelligence organizations to have as much conversation with the public ask it can possibly have. just so we don't get these misperceptions that we are talking about here. >> the gentleman in the back and then the woman in front. could you come towards the middle? >> item from the media. my question is about the syrian al-nusra and so if these affecting your actions against al-nusra because they apparently side and someon

is there lessons the cia could take from that? mr. morell: we actually way ahead of the defense department. when george tenant was the director of cia, he created a not-for-profit private entity whose job is -- this is all public information. the job is to invest seed money in startups in which he could tell believes there is a technology that will be of use to the intelligence community and will be commercially viable so that the company will survive and continue to enhance the technology and service it. they have been incredibly successful over the years, 70% of its investments have resulted in products coming back to the intelligence community. it's one of the largest hedge funds now in silicon valley. it has been incredibly successful in bringing technology into cia and the intelligence committee. host with that, i would like to : thank mr. morell for his insightful discussion. with that, this proceeding is closed. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, w

the second reason is there are a lot of myths out there about the cia. myth is we do everything right. the james bond myth. that is not true. and everything we touch we fail at. sort of the get smart maxwell smart myth. that is not true. the third is jason bourne that we are a rogue agency and we do things the president does not know about and the congress does not know about. that is not true. the reality is is the cia is a bunch of incredibly hard-working, dedicated people trying to protect the country and we get many things wrong but we get many things right. i wanted americans to understand that. the third reason is if i happen to believe and this sounds weird coming from a former spy, that former senior officials have a responsibility to tell the american people what they did when they were in government. this is a democracy and the american people need to know everybody's perspective on the decisions they made and the decisions they saw. that is important. that is what you guys do every day. mark: countries kind of kicking the tires on foreign polic

and hatwhat mark did before he worked at the cia. before after this. ♪ >> before our talk with mike norrell he told us about the best job he had never had. he was the snack guy. can't imagine what that was like? >> popcorn here, get your popcorn here. >> see you tomorrow. sayonara. ♪ alix: it's coming up on 4:00 here in new york. this is the "bloomberg market day" and i'm alix steel. [closing bell ringing] alix: stocks closing with the dow off by about eight points and the nasdaq is in positive territory, up at five, the only brighter spot a mistake. i'm joined now by joe weisenthal.

the cia greta was not responsible. >> who was responsible? >> the state department was greta. >> when you say the state department, who do you mean? are you hanging it all the way to top to secretary clinton or somebody else? i mean, somebody is responsible. >> so, you know, there are different levels of the state department. let me tell you what happened at cia right? >> i got it, you had security i got it? >> i want to make a broader point, greta right? the broader point is when the assessment was done of our facility in benghazi and the enhancement was made, it was not at the direction of director petraeus or me, my guys just did it. we weren't even aware of what they were doing. my guys did their job grent. >> yeah, so are you saying that ones at the consulate did not and frankly some of the cia guys very bravely left the cia to go over to try to save, as i recall, is that right? >> absolutely right. and those guys were heroes that night. and if they hadn't gone, more americans would have died. absolutely right. >> all right. so what you a

he was the cia agent assigned to brief white house attendees. t was an important position normally reserved for someone with operational experience. he was pressed to provide details of the osama bin laden mission. in 2005 he spent the next three years on the terrorist watchlist working for the government. he had cultivated many relationships over the years. he was a former advisor for bill clinton who was recommended to obama. he had to spare the disease without damaging the surrounding tissue as he said. obama wanted to make him as the cia director, so instead he assigned him to counterterrorism with an office down the hall from the oval office. they knew the bulky irishman. he insisted on reserving the last word. for the tuesday afternoon meetings. now along with the other 600 he rose to accept the coveted award of exemplary service. after paying due tribute to other honorees he spoke of a tragic incident where men and women were killed by a suicide. this was post afghanistan in 2009. then he moved on to a more upbeat topic. he found deep-root

the cia has a drone strike. wouldn't the fbi kno that the people they were dealing withw -- know the people they were dealing with and that drone strikes should not be used? who actually were the people that they were targeting? was it the hostages? guest: they were not targeting the hostages. there is no evidence there was any deliberate attempt to kill them. since this story came out, there has been this question of where their negotiations. the officially was government policy is we don't negotiate with terrorists. we don't negotiate with al qaeda for ransom. the family did make some inquiries into possible negotiations and there have been reports that the fbi may have helped facilitate some of that. it did appear that it was low level, they had attempted to do a ransom in the past, the person took their money and it had gone nowhere. i have heard no indication that there were ongoing negotiations. that the u.s. government knew where the hostages were, they were on the verge of being released. it was a legitim

court records show next she drove to the main gate of the cia in langley, virginia and drove past an officer trying to stop her. another officer had to physically stand in the vehicle's path. we were first to report that after handcuffed she reached with her free arm toward an officer's gun belt. she was stopped and taken into custody. cia investigators say davis who was an agent from 2004 to 2010 told agency police if she could have reached an officer's gun, she would use to kill everyone around her. that is a quote from court records. davis is also accused of saying the cia could be bombed. according to those court filings, davis is scheduled for hear daryg -- her hearing today and is scheduled to have a mental evaluation. >>> 6:03 is your time right now. today, the man charged with murdering a university of virginia student is expected to appear in court. jesse matthew has a status hearing scheduled in ablemarle county. we're expect being the judge to set a trial date for the hannah graham murder case. she disappeared in september in charlottesville, her remains were found weeks la

the cia. we don't worry about this, but you do. and the other thing is increases the cia would often emphasize intelligence that kind of post pushed to toward a quick sort of safe resolution of the crisis whereas next kissinger wanted to look at all options. talk about the whole deal with the arabians, they were looking at, there may be a short-term gain. you are providing information. so we sort of pushed the problem down the road. the worst in history now. the nsa staff is providing nixon was stuff that he was reading by the time doing the workaround. dia tried to make an effort to find out what the pres. was interested president was interested in them actually provide them with intelligence on the floor but it is a testimony to innocence i don't want to say belligerents of the absence of certain bureaucracies. the president what is simply asking for. >> some of the things associated with these kind of issues are almost comical in retrospect. and 73 the start of the 1st national assessment of other and his organization the nsc. it

amy: as new evidence emerges over the pivotal role of psychologists in the cia's torture program, we are joined by one of the nation's best known psychiatrists, robert jay lifton. for the past five decades, he has written extensively on the psychological dimensions of war, from the u.s. atomic bombing of hiroshima, to doctors who aided nazi crimes, to nuclear war. >> the atrocities produced in situations where ordinary people kill large number's of civilians as occurred in the vietnam war and which i wrote about, that continues to haunt us in our war fighting in iraq and afghanistan. we learned, or should learn from, what we have done and what others have done to us. amy: for the hour. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. dozens of people were killed across yemen on wednesday in one of the worst days of fighting so far. the heaviest violence was seen in the southern port city of aden where those were killed kind of fleet and to the north 35 civilians were killed by an airstrike. speaking during a visit to

he told me was one of the people who told me the cia's got it wrong. nd david kay who led the weapons hunt and went on nbc and said this is a biological lab as sure as i'm standing here, he got it wrong. and he didn't lie. he got it wrong. and so we then did a third article that said these labs actually appear to be for weather balloons for rocketry. this stuff, look, i -- i wrote this book so i could talk about mistakes i made. i think it's really important to look at mistakes we make, the intelligence community makes so we can understand how to make -- not make them again. but when, when you stop doing that when you stop going back and asking the questions, that's when you fall into convenient patterns of thought that fit your ideological, you know preference or something you want to believe. and it's really important every now and then for all of us to get out of our comfort zone. that's what i did in this book. i showed you how these estimates were put together. i went back and i talked to some of the people who wouldn't talk to me who were, presuma

one of the cia and one of the fbi. on the cia post 911 i read a report in the "washington post" saying the cia has become a highly efficient killing machine. this goes to the question of the use of drones. we know that is something we did not have to deal with because drones and hellfire missiles want them. this is something that is of concern for a number of reasons including whether or not they use of drones for basically targeted assassinations is bumping up against executive order. i think the administration says that enemy combatants is the way they are allowed to get around the assassination prohibition. but there are real questions about whether or not the cia has evolved from the central intelligence agency to a central action agency and is losing its central function of collecting intelligence to inform decision-making. pres. obama and john brennan have said that they think maybe this should be offloaded to the pentagon. my question is, are you concerned about this evolution? do you believe that these kinds of

we wrote the first story about that and then the cia issued a white paper saying who wrote that. ne of whom now is dead so i can name him come he was in britain and the british biological analyst who told me the cia has it wrong and david went on msnbc and said this is a biological lab and he got it wrong. he didn't lie, he got it wrong. so, we then did a third article that said these actually appear to be for weather balloons for the rocketry. i wrote this book to talk about mistakes made and i think it's important to look at the mistakes so that we can understand who makes them and not make them again. when you stop going back and asking the questions that's when you fall into the convenient patterns that fit your ideological preference or something you want to believe and it's important every now and then for all of us to get out of our comfort zone. that's what i did in the book. i showed how the estimates were put together. i went back and i talked to some of the people who said why would you talk to me. one of them is in this room and i try tried to go back and look at the s

she's accused of trying to get through the gates of a cia and the nsa. she made violent threats at officers. we'll have the latest in a series of high profile security threats just in a matter of weeks. >>> and changing minds. pete kane from the kane show on radio 99.5 opens up about a personal battle. >> i thought everybody did this. >> and how asking for help may have saved his marriage. >> having him be diagnosed has literally changed our lives. >>> tonight, a security scare at the front gate of a top secret high profile government facility. >> our scott mcfarland learned a former fbi agent was arrested after trying to get on the grounds of cia. she is accused of threatening the lives of cia officers even recording video of herself the night of her arrest and tonight we know the cia wasn't her only stop. scott? >> reporter: yeah, do arena,she's accused of trying to get on the grounds of national security agency and driving her car to the front gate last thursday and then driving to the main gate of the cia when she was turned away. there cia officers

and so by the middle '70s, marshall has the cia mystically says, well, no, it's not 6%, it's 12%. by the time i was working for secretary weinberger in the middle '80s, the cia was up to 16%, and marshall just keeps pounding away. i said no, it's not 6%, it's not 12%, it's not 16% it's more like 25 or 30%. and so they're spending a lot more, and their economy -- he was looking at demographic trends, health trends, productivity trends, talking to emigres coming out. there was this guy who was at georgetown who would go over to the soviet union, somehow got in and got out but the fundamental point was from a strategic per perspective if the cia was right and they were only spending 6% and they were outproducing us way they were, then time was on their side. over the long term, they would just keep widening the gap between themselves and ourselves. if schlesinger and marshall were right then time was on our side, and we didn't have to take risks. if we played smart, we could win the long-term competition. and marshall got it right, and the cia got it wrong. >> you can watch this and o

we wrote the 1st story about that in the cia issued a white paper. en i went back in june to talk to people. still in britain david kelly the british biological analysts who told me what people told me the cia has a david have the weapons hunt and said this is biological as sure as i'm sending you got it wrong. he did not lie. he got it. we ended the 3rd article. these labs actually appear to be for whether balloons. the stuff what -- talk about mistakes that were made. it is important to look at the mistakes so you can understand how to make them again. when you stop doing that. going back and asking questions that you fall into convenient patterns of thought that ideological preference is something you want to believe, and it is important hearing on for all of us to get out of your comfort zone. that is provided in this book. i went back and talk to some of the people who would not talk to me who were presumably doubters. one of them is in this and try and go back and look at the story. are you with your service years from someone else will go back

in the decades since 9/11, the cia have been regularly blighted by scandal. revelations of torture renditions, secret black site prisons, bonus intelligence ignored signs of the 9/11 attacks, but such unwholesome realities saw no echo in the gathering. even george tenet, the director who had presided over all of the aforementioned scandals, was greeted by heart felt affections as he along with almost every orr living cia direct canner stood to be introduced by john mclachlin, a former deputy director himself deeply complicit in the iraq fiasco. each, with the exception of stanfield turner still bitterly resented received ringing applause but none more than former cia director and then-current secretary of defense robert m. gates. although gates had left the cia early -- 18 years before, he was very much the father figure of the institution and a mentor to the intelligence chief active and retired, who cheered him so fervently that night at the ritz carlton. he had climbed through the ranks with a ruthless determination all too earth to those around him. ray mc

the cia had done this wonderful work with couriers. it was the thesis of zero dark thirty. that was hooey. what happened is a guy walks in, as nbc said and obviously i reported much earlier. a guy walks into our station chief in islamabad. a guy named jonathan bank, and blabs. he wants the $25 million. he got a lot of it in various chunks. and out of that begins a project. we're going to go take a look at what's going on. is he really there? the president is very skeptical. so on begins -- >> can i ask you, there's one item which has been raised about that treasure trove of documents, right? i mean, there's a number of things in your piece you say are essentially fabricated post facto as a means of trying to sort of create a story other than the actual story, whether that's out of concern for the politics of how it went down or protecting the source. one of them is that those documents that were found were essentially invented. but we do have, as someone at carnegie pointed out, zawahiri himself essentially vouching for the documents found, quoting them as legitimate. which

did right, a number of things that the cia got wrong. one of them of course is about weapons of mass destruction which you said cia analysts didn't approach with the same rigor that it approached other analyses. what does the cia need to do its job better than it has done his job over the last kekdecade? >> i think one of the critical pieces for getting the story right for the president of the united states is clandestine collection of secrets. right? against the hardest targets. against iran against north korea, against proliferation networks against terrorists networks getting those secrets that then the analysts are able to knit together for the president. one of the problems with our analysis on iraq wmd is we didn't have very much information. we did not penetrate the inner circle of saddam hussein to understand what he was doing. it really starts with great spy work and penetrating the hardest targets and getting the secrets so we can tell the president of the united states what's really going on. >> i want to ask you about this new

i did it at the cia. i did it at the defense department.n be done, even in a time of political paralysis, and this new book basically talks about how to do it. charlie: his book is called "duty: the memoirs of a secretary at war." robert gates: thank you. charlie: back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ifical council in 2012. in his position, he has traveled around the world, advocating the gospel of the family. he is in new york to deliver an address at the united nations as part of the 2015 international day of family. i am pleased you have the archbishop here at this table. welcome. it is a pleasure to meet you. what is your mission with respect to the family? archbishop paglia: my mission is to help all churches all over the world to understand better and to proclaim better the gospel of the family. family is a good news for a contemporary world when a lot of people are alone. a lot of people are depressed. a lot of people suffer. in a sense, family is to be a good news for all people of the world. charlie: the church has a cent on -- syno

. >>> the former acting chief of the cia said they misjudged the severity of the terror threat during much of his tenure. catherine harris looks at what may have been a mea culpa but something else. >> reporter: in his new book, former deputy cia director mike morell says instead of undermining the terrorist group, he writes quote, the arab spring was a boone to islamic extremists across both the middle east and north africa." >> i think the administration is -- i don't think the intelligence community misread that. >> reporter: according to book reviews by "the new york times" and "the washington post," morell takes on the republican establishment. he testified before congress at least four times and accused by senate republicans about misleading them over the controversial talking points. david shed the former acting director of the defense intelligence agency had access to the same intelligence agency as morell. >> what struck me about the talking points is it did contribute to a narrative that somehow there was no planning behind this. >> reporter: while the cia operation was shut

the three mafia figures involved in the castro plot with the cia. we heard from one of them twice. the 2nd time -- the 1st time he came and went no public notice of all. highly secret. the questions obviously were who ordered castro killed, what role did you plan so forth. i felt that the time that he was generally forthcoming the still new a lot of wasn't telling us. he went home to miami and disappeared and ended up dead. he was in his 70s. and mafia times in those days that was retirement. for the rest of us now it's middle-aged. the 2nd figure was probably the top mafia figure in america. prepared to subpoena him with the house committee. he was killed in his basement. killed in killed in his basement with six bottles in his throat. neither of these crimes of been solved. now, by and large the media included with these were dismissed as mafia stuff. there is no doubt in my mind they were killed in connection with our committee. the question is why. who did it and why. >> go ahead. >> a brief comment on the question. the judiciary committee a couple of years ago reported out a bi

. >>> the former acting chief of the cia said they misjudged the severity of the terror threat during much of his tenure. catherine harris looks at what may have been a mea culpa but something else. >> reporter: in his new book, former deputy cia director mike morell says instead of undermining the terrorist group, he writes quote, the arab spring was a boone to islamic extremists across both the middle east and north africa." >> i think the administration is -- i don't think the intelligence community misread that. >> reporter: according to book reviews by "the new york times" and "the washington post," morell takes on the republican establishment. he testified before congress at least four times and accused by senate republicans about misleading them over the controversial talking points. david shed the former acting director of the defense intelligence agency had access to the same intelligence agency as morell. >> what struck me about the talking points is it did contribute to a narrative that somehow there was no planning behind this. >> reporter: while the cia operation was shut

the cia engaged in illegal surveillance. the military engaged in illegal surveillance. these institutions of government were willing to break u.s. laws to keep the war going. this is a situation in which the rule of law did not apply and institutions of government were above the law. and of course, the other fact that we need to think about, which was a critical fact, was the resistance to the war, the public resistance, popular resistance to the war. students all over the country -- we know about that. vietnam veterans who jumped a thousand medals on capitol steps, woke up the american people to the idea that veterans themselves were against the war. obviously not all of them, but even a substantial number was an amazing phenomenon. the public protest in the end is what stopped the war. i want to give you a story about that, to give you an idea. you may ask how a public protest affects memories of -- members of congress. i was elected to congress in 1972. at the end of 1970 two or beginning of 1973, we had a democratic caucus. it's a private session, and people get up

one of the cia and one of the fbi. on the cia post 911 i read a report in the "washington post" saying the cia has become a highly efficient killing machine. this goes to the question of the use of drones. we know that is something we did not have to deal with because drones and hellfire missiles want them. this is something that is of concern for a number of reasons including whether or not they use of drones for basically targeted assassinations is bumping up against executive order. i think the administration says that enemy combatants is the way they are allowed to get around the assassination prohibition. but there are real questions about whether or not the cia has evolved from the central intelligence agency to a central action agency and is losing its central function of collecting intelligence to inform decision-making. pres. obama and john brennan have said that they think maybe this should be offloaded to the pentagon. my question is, are you concerned about this evolution? do you believe that these kinds of

a pakistani intelligence officer who came in, and did inform the cia where osama bin laden was. that said, it's not clear at all that that contradicts the existence of the courier. in fact, we don't think it does contradict the existence of the courier. nor do we think that it in any way necessarily contradicts the white house version. all we're saying is that there was a walk-in. the walk-in could be parallel with the courier. i do believe the officials who tell us there was the courier operation. and the white house points out that other things that cy, who has a long and stellar career, we know, going all the way back. but, you know, there have been some issues along the way. the fact is that there are -- to believe cy hersh's version of this today, you have to believe that mike morell, the acting cia director, who contradicted it strongly today, and said that he was sent to pakistan because the pakistanis were furious. he had to mollify them. leon panetta in his book said the pakistanis did not know -- they did not tell the pakistanis, because they leaked. every time they tol

although he left the cia 18 years before. he supervisor and the third agency post was an analyst with the intelligence director. >> the successful confirmation was as much so to do the work behind the scenes on the part of the telecheck's committees. in 1993 he moved on to be the director for the program from the clinton white house national security staff in which capacity the mid-level analyst to greek staffers. when he himself moved as the deputy director in 1995 he had the station chief and important position normally reserved for someone with operational experience. in the post he worked tirelessly to avoid irritating showing reluctance for example when asked to survey the unit back in the headquarters because he said it would hear the tape in. he spent the next three years on the profitable terrorist watch list in the 2008 alone. among the relationships he cultivated over the years. was the marriage of the approach to terrorist threats, the need to target the missed test assessing disease without destroying the surroundi

that is that is not just my assessment of the situation's or the head of the cia. even republicans feel the same way. the republican junior senator from montana said yesterday we could have done this a week ago. this is the nature of washington, always manufacturing a crisis. fortunately there is a clear way out past the usa freedom act which the house overwhelmingly passed with 338 votes on a totally bipartisan basis's. all we need is a few more republican senators to vote with democrats in the bill pass. just three maybe four, maybe five but a few senators. i am confident we can pass this bill. the majority leader would bring it to the floor for a vote. now procedurally it will be extremely difficult to not allow this not have this law -- not a bill, the small expire. does passing this bill, they are not here. so it is not going to happen it's the house members who will object. passing the usa freedom act is the only way i can foresee the patriot act provision did not expire. now is the time for majority leader to do what is right for the privacy and security of a

we would bring young analysts from the cia to present their views wrigley to the president. it was a good experience for the president, and a good experience , maybe a little intimidating at first, for some of the analysts but once they got used to it they counted for themselves very well. not every president devotes that much attention, and concentrated scheduled time, to absorbing their daily intelligence. when i worked with colin powell, i was his deputy, he did not even have an intelligence briefing every day. we were his national security and deputy national security advisers respectively. we would simply give him the daily brief, and he was at his leisure to read it during the course of the day, and by the end of the day, he would give it back to us. occasionally, if there was an article that we felt we should highlight for him, we would do that. different presidents have different styles. bill clinton, apparently, did not ever meet an intelligence briefer. there was the famous story about the crash of the plane on the white house line, and they joke that it was the ci