it is emerging from the cio and the computer security leaks. it is emerging as an issue. the government is being moved out of nsa issue. all of them have to do it this issue. there has been a long series of efforts to move the issue forward and make it front and center. >> one more question from our guest. >> if the legislation passes, we have seen discussion of antivirus software. how is this in terms of improving security? what steps would improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> when you look at it across the board, all companies need to have a robust set of cybersecurity practices in place no matter what industry they are in. you need to have updated antivirus software. you need to have that. that will not catch everything. you need to know what is on your network and who is on your network. make sure you can watch your network and know when information is entering or leaving your network. i think that things that would make the most difference now is for companies to make sure that they are employing the best practices in the industry and going after those bas

you see it emerging from within the private sector and its emerging from the cio and the computer security emerging as a total ceo issue. on the government moving out of the nsa issue into all of the federal agencies and separate these -- deputy secretaries dealing with this issue so when you talk about specific strategies that is one more building block in a long series of efforts the administration has been doing to move this issue forward and put it more in front. >> host: michael one more question. >> guest: cybersecurity has questioned the efficacy of cybersecurity for passes and also we have seen discussion of antivirus software. how effective is the antivirus software in legislation in terms of improving security and what steps you think would best improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> guest: when you look at it across-the-board obviously all companies really need to have a robust set of cybersecurity practices in place no matter what industry they are in. really, ginnie to have updated antivirus software. that's not going to catch everything. you need to know what's on yo

we had the greatest unionizing drive in the history of the united states, the cio. we had strong socialist and communist parties that worked with the cio, that mobilized tens of millions of people into unions who had never been in unions before. and they went to the power structure at the time, president roosevelt as its emblem. and they said, "you have to do something for us. you just have to. because if you don't, then the system itself will become our problem. and you don't want that. and many of us in the union movement don't want it either." although some of the socialists and communists might have been quite happy to go that direction. and i think roosevelt was a genius politician at that time. he understood the issue. he went to the rich and the corporations of america, the top, who had become very wealthy at that time, and he basically said to them, "you must give me, the president, the money to meet at least the basic demands of the massive people to be massively helped in an economic crisis. because if you don't, then the goose that lays your golden egg wi

chamber of commerce and the afl/cio are working on working on something to do with guest workers or temporary workers per se, foreign workers on visas. the afl/cio is making sure we are keen on saying if they had their druthers no guest workers at all but permanent type of labor. they'll come up with a deal and present it to members of congress. >> it's a delicate balance. on the one hand they want to set up a system where businesses can get the labor they need but they don't want it a pretexts for not hiring americans and paying them. >> aren't the unions dealing with the same thing that the politics -- politicians are dealing with? that the demography has changed insurance this first came up? >> in some ways more than others. health care workers, they know if they are going to grew in the future it is going to be by bringing in and bringing out of the shadows this immigrant population. gwen: thank you. we have to move on to the chuck hagel confirmation hearings. senators and former senators usually get the kid glove treatment in front of their former pierce but not so for chuck hagel. >> i'

you see it emerging from within the private sector, it's emerging from the cio and the computer security geeks, right? it's emerging as a total ceo, c suite, you know, issue. on the government it's moving out of just being, you know, thought of ans nsa issue into all of the federal issues and secretaries and tenty secretaries -- deputy secretaries having to deal with this issue. so i think when you talk about that specific strategy, that's just one more building block in a long series of efforts that this administration has been doing to move this issue forward and put it more front and center. >> host: time for one more question, mr. nagesh. >> cybersecurity experts have questioned the efficacy of legislation if it passes. also we've seen some discussion of antivirus software. what -- how effective is the antivirus software legislation in terms of improving security, and what steps do you think would best improve the security for u.s. organizations? >> guest: i think that when you look at it across the board, obviously, you know, all companies really need to have a robust set of cyberse

not talking about republicansns and democrats in congress but we did see the afl-cio and the chamber of commerce come together a immigrationon. the coalition is promoting a new system to bring lower skilled workers the u u.s. on wall street, a week that flirted with historic highs and like a bad boyfriend, doused the hopes with the biggest evidencee that loss in 2013. manucturing where reece european woes d slow sales for housg and wal-marart contbuting to nowhere e res. then the gulf -- boyfriend came back whispering promises about hewlett-packard's potential on more a on friday w we saw the dow rebound. but a warning of catastrophe e -- not o overseas but here at home as an agreement -- if an agreement is not reached to avoid sequestration. those topics and more in our roundtable. but first, we want to check up on one of the biggest industries in the washington region. dstar health is theistrict's second-largest nonfederal employerer and the largest not- for-profit health-care delivery system in the region. annual revenunues now $4.44 billion. but there are challengesacing the heal

and these executives are very well paid and richard trumka head of the afl-cio makes times as much as the average worker. they want to consolidate their base and coercing people with the threat of a lawsuit, if they leave the union. so, they want to consolidate their base, grow bigger and the executives make more money. >> steve, quickly respond to that. >> control for inflation, wages have gone down in this country over the last 40 years and that's, that's at the same time that unions have gone down to indeed, single digits. when you have unions, you have higher pay. when you have higher pay, you have more consumer confidence. people spending money that's good for the economy. >> well, john, union membership plunges when it's voluntary, we've seen that. >> yeah, i mean, the unions were set up for the safety and security of the worker to get him some safe work conditions to look out for them. and now we have the unions out this doing anything they can to get more members in and i think that gary was nice and politically correct saying it's a power grab, but come on, this is a money gr

hough would i make a deal with the afl-cio. it's a quest for competent labor, ready to work nell neil the republican who is normally fan of the chamber said this about the chamber's immigration position. i want you to respond to this. the chamber's primary goal has never been to establish a lawful immigration system but to get as much cheap labor, no matter how hi impacts americans. normally i commend the chambers for its initiatives. this is not an example of that. what say you? >> i suggest jeff probably had a staffer that didn't know what the hell he was talking about. >> neil: the impression you represent business interests who don't care about what kind of labor as long as it's more likely cheap labor, is better than the alternative. >> we have been trying to get a rational immigration program for three presidents. now, we need to stop for a minute and remember who we are. we are a nation of immigrants. of people that had the courage to come here to bring their skills and hard work here, and you track the extraordinary succ

two separate meetings, we've got labor leaders, business leaders included within the group, fbiu, the afl-cio, and also ceos of big companies like goldman sachs, coca-cola, united marriott, they're all coming together to talk about the impact of immigration. president obama wants a plan to put 11 million illegal immigrants on a path to stipulate shinn. republicans on capitol hill are worried that will happen before we secure the borders. separate from the white house meeting there's a hearing by house republicans here on capitol hill to talk about that. >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. >>> the next foreign policy debate involves the state department, iran and a monkey. iran said it launched a monkey into space last week. the pictures released before and after the alleged missions beg to differ. washington expresses doubt about any space journey. but iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad said he would like to give it a joe. senator john mccain ran into trouble when he tweeted, quote, so ahmadinejad wants to be the first iranian in space, wasn't he just there last week? many in the twi

and these executives are very well paid and richard trumka head of the afl-cio makes times as much ashe average worker. they want to consolidate their base and coercing people with the threat of a lawsuit, if they leave the union. so, they want to consolidate their base, grow bigger and the executives make more money. >> steve, quickly respond to that. >> control for inflation, wages have gone down in this country over the last 40 years and that's, that's at the same time that unions have gone down to indeed, single digits. when you have unions, you have higher pay. when you have higher pay, you have more consumer confidence. people spending money that's good for the economy. >> well, john, union membership plunges when it's voluntary, we've seen that. >> yeah, i mean, the unions were set up for the safety and security of the worker to get him some safe work conditions to look out for them. and now we have the unions out this doing anything they can to get more members in and i think that gary was nice and politically correct saying it's a power grab, but come on, this is a money grab

yellen is wrapping up a speech on the job market at the afl-cio. was at the white house last week to chat with the president it turns out and obama aide says it was just a check-in meeting that they do from time to time. no word if they discussed a third term for the chairman. some fed-watchers think bernanke would stay for a third term if the president asked him. another says to also watch jeremy stein, the harvard economist the president appointed to the fed in late 2011. other potential bernanke replacements, fed-watchers say former vice chairman don kohn and another former vice chairman, ronald ferguson who runs the pension fund for college teachers and administrators, tiaa cref. lori? lori: good stuff, peter. thank you. >> okay. melissa: apple is looking to explore new territory, your wrist. the text giant is experimenting with a watch-like product according to manufacturer foxconn according to "wall street journal" a variety of wrist-worn gadgets measuring physical activities have been released by jawbone and nike and pebble technologies. anal

we are at the cio marina. some of the worlds wealthiest are coming to buy, sell and look out boats. he is from venezuela. tell me about this. we are sitting on the couch that you wanted custom done for the yachts. >> yes. the couch is one of the things you can have on the boat where you pretty much lay down like most of the time. we wanted to have something comfy with something modern that looked nice. cheryl: the name of the bow, where did that come from? it is very difficult to announce. >> it pretty much is a mix between the names of my parents. >> why spend $6 million on a yacht? this will be yours from now on. why make this type of purchase? >> if you love this cd, we spend every single weekend out on the beach. if you love it, it is worth it. cheryl: the world economy is under so much pressure over the last few years. do you ever think, what am i doing? >> definitely when you are making an investment that is big . cheryl: this is for you and your family. >> yes. cheryl: your parents, your sister. will you be sailing around the world on your boat? >> just as much the caribbean.

the afl-cio says that the mayor needs to reach across the aisle much more. >> he has taken the approach not only the city workers but community groups that it's his way or the highway. >> reporter: and the san jose police officers union tonight told us that the mayor may hire more officers but will have a hard time retaining them because of how the pension system is set up. maureen naylor, ktvu news. >>> at ktvu.com we've posted more video of mayor reed's address tonight. just look for the video player on the home page. >>> stock markets lost ground the dow closed down 42 points after dropping 134 earlier in the day. nasdaq dropped three. the markets have been lower after big gains in january that sent indexes to record highs. and mountain view's linked insource earned 11.5 million or 10-cents a share. and revenue soared by 81% to $304 million. >>> apple said today it is considered returning cash to investors. the company says it's having active discussions about issuing some sort of proposed stock. the move comes after investors filed a proposed lawsuit over attempts to eliminate propo

the afl-cio says that the mayor needs to reach across the aisle much more. >> he has taken the approachut community groups that it's his way or the highway. >> reporter: and the san jose police officers union tonight told us that the mayor may hire more officers but will have a hard time retaining them because of how the pension system is set up. maureen naylor, ktvu news. >>> at ktvu.com we've posted more video of mayor reed's address tonight. just look for the video player on the home page. >>> stock markets lost ground the dow closed down 42 points after dropping 134 earlier in the day. nasdaq dropped three. the markets have been lower after big gains in january that sent indexes to record highs. and mountain view's linked insource earned 11.5 million or 10-cents a share. and revenue soared by 81% to $304 million. >>> apple said today it is considered returning cash to investors. the company says it's having active discussions about issuing some sort of proposed stock. the move comes after investors filed a proposed lawsuit over attempts to eliminate proposed staff. >>> the cinarts t

if that's there, you're going to have the afl-cio, big labor down on president obama's neck. >> he did have senator mccain saying that we need to have the pathway to citizenship. >> but the point is that you have a bipartisan -- a very fragile bipartisan debate and it all blows up very easily. if we can go into a rancorous debate similar to what we had in 1994 with 187. >> as you can see, certainly this is an issue that is not going go away. i want to thank you for your insight. we're going to continue to follow the story. tha thanks for joining us. >>> the mass shootings in newtown, connecticut, and other places united advocates and lawmakers. calling for better screening for mentally ill people that could turn violence. ed lee announced plans to put in place a version of little known state law that aims to prevent another tragedy. >> it's time to implement san francisco's version of the so-called laura's law. to help the severely mentally ill who we too often see on our streets. >> for more than ten years, california has had laura's law on the books, but until now, it's in effect in

. >> after a progressive and labor leaders met with president obama today, the afl-cio richard trumka said the status quo does not work. >> you were talking about trying to fix a broken system, a system that does not work for anybody in the country. talking about common sense comprehensive reform. >> fixing it can be so tricky and a bipartisan group of house lawmakers has been meeting secretly trying to hammer a deal . expected to unveil a very detailed plan. perhaps legislative language in the next week. lou: aother plan. thank you very much. fox news chief congressional correspondent. well, but the obama administration in a bipartisan senate gang of eight are now pushing comprehensive immigration reform proposals. our first guest tonight urged a thoughtful, incremental approach during today's judiciary committee hearing. >> this will be a massive undertaking with implications for the future direction of our nation. as such, we must to move forward methodically and evaluate this issue i stages, taking care to fully that the pros and cons of each piece. lou: joining us now, chairman o

some sort of animosity between the unions and the workers and there was for a very long time the a.f.l.-cio gotten into immigrant position that evolved as i think the unions begin to recognize that a lot of the blue collar jobs and sort of the agricultural sector jobs were going to be done by people of mexico or like the origin and that's when the unions began to try to organize among mexican immigrant workers but there's a deeper history you really have to note here if you go back to the period between the eight hundred ninety s. one nine hundred ten the industrial workers of the world the good ole and arkell syndicalists from the i.w.w. the wobblies they were the ones organizing the organize and they phoned a lot of mexicans and filipino and other marginalized workers that were very eager to join unions of the the the industrial organization rather than the craft unions we have obviously there's quite a quite a long history of these but i said all programs and the effects that they have on the people there is one notable difference style between the one nine hundred forty s. and now and t

i was listening to the afl-cio folks earlier today. there are a lot of components of immigration reform that you are on completely the same page together. i think that gives ted crews heartburn. but you are fine with that, it seems. >> we have a tough negotiations ahead of us. one of the toughest parts that we have not resolved is this whole issue of the guest workers. high-tech workers, no problem. somebody has a ph.d. from mit, he want to stay, god bless you. but when we get into agricultural jobs and low- skilled workers, the devil is in the details. under what conditions can we have a low-skilled worker who is not a resident citizen in this country, and work? that is a really tough issue between us and the unions. we have good negotiators. we are result oriented. i am guardedly -- let me put it this way. i am more optimistic than i have ever been. but there is still tough bargaining ahead. >> we have a me -- amy klobuchar coming in afterward. they have a bill that removes country caps and expands the h1-b program. when you talk to f

caller: i have worked for the afl-cio also pretend we change the tax form -- for the afl-cio also. can we change the tax form? i cannot chart social security. guest: you would be willing to send a check in for something or other to help the program? caller: to help the program. number two, on the bus question from earlier, a few years ago some department subsidizing bus transportation said the city could no longer run the bus to the speedway for the brickyard or the 500 because it was taking away private enterprise. trying to get the private industry to come in and run the buses the way the city used to run them. host: congressman? guest: i guess it goes to points in certain areas where it is profitable and other areas it is not. i will try to dig into that a little bit more. on the social security donation, that is why i come here. your callers are pretty good with new ideas. there have been provisions were you can make donations. we hear a lot of people who say that the rich are not paying enough, they are not paying enough. most people do not say that they are not pay enough. i h

caller: i have worked for the afl-cio also pretend we change the tax form -- for the afl-cio also. we change the tax form? i cannot chart social security. guest: you would be willing to send a check in for something or other to help the program? caller: to help the program. number two, on the bus question from earlier, a few years ago some department subsidizing bus transportation said the city could no longer run the bus to the speedway for the brickyard or the 500 because it was taking away private enterprise. trying to get the private industry to come in and run the buses the way the city used to run them. host: congressman? guest: i guess it goes to points in certain areas where it is profitable and other areas it is not. i will try to dig into that a little bit more. on the social security donation, that is why i come here. your callers are pretty good with new ideas. there have been provisions were you can make donations. we hear a lot of people who say that the rich are not paying enough, they are not paying enough. most people do not say that they are not pay enough. i have

at the same time they were having this protest, the afl-cio and the american trol pe troat m institute were having a conference call about launching a propipeline campaign called we can't wait. there are two very important groups, environmentalists on one side, organized labor on the other, fighting about this. >> who does he like more? >> that's going to be a big question. there's a lot of money on both sides in terms of campaign contributions and support, but i think the environmentalists feel more fundamentally threatened by this. obviously the fracking revolution, something like this pipeline really profoundly threatens their goal of an america that's far less dependent on fossil fuels in the past, so i think if they see this go forward, they see bad things ahead. the unions on the other hand see tens of thousands of jobs created by this. >> you know he what's interesting, too, you want to talk about a president who is beholden to the states, doesn't want to do anything -- to the base, doesn't want auto t to too anything to rock the boat. his base is divided. it's the very base tha

largely suburban neighborhoods putting on quite smooth according to election night survey by the a.f.l.-cio twenty two percent of blacks and twenty four percent of hispanics waited in voting lines for more than a half hour sometimes up to ten or twelve hours but only nine percent of whites face long lines that same survey found the sixteen percent of obama voters face long lines falling nine percent of romney voters to post-election report released by the orlando sentinel revealed that more than two hundred thousand voters in florida didn't even vote because they were discouraged by the long lines in the chaos at the voting precincts in the mostly minority areas across florida. knowing the florida was decided by just a few hundred votes in two thousand republicans were very optimistic about disenfranchising more than two hundred thousand voters most of whom would have voted for democrats course their efforts fell short rock obama won florida most of the swing states and he won in large part because of the determination of minority voters who knew they were republicans were trying to take aw

largely suburban neighborhoods putting on quite smooth according to election night survey by the a.f.l.-cio twenty two percent of blacks and twenty four percent of hispanics waited in voting lines for more than a half hour sometimes up to ten or twelve hours but only nine percent of whites face long lines that same survey found the sixteen percent of obama voters face long lines ali nine percent of romney voters to. post-election report released by the orlando sentinel revealed that more than two hundred thousand voters in florida didn't even vote because they were discouraged by the long lines in the chaos at the voting precincts in the mostly minority areas across florida. knowing the florida was decided by just a few hundred votes in two thousand republicans were very optimistic about disenfranchising more than two hundred thousand voters most of whom would have voted for democrats of course their efforts fell short rock obama won florida swept most of the swing states and he won in large part because of the determination of minority voters who knew they were republicans were trying to t

he was opposed not simply by big business -- chunks of big labor, including the afl-cio, opposed him vehemently. it was interesting. he would have been elected with fewer income rinses in that sense than i can imagine. -- with fewer obligations than i can imagine. >> were you in that hotel? >> i was in san francisco. i was responsible in getting out the vote in northern california -- i was in the bay area. >> what was it like, hearing that this man had been shot? >> i just remember hearing it -- a rally in san francisco. ted kennedy had been there. everything went out. the air went out of the room. the music stopped. the laughter -- everything. it was just sort of a sense of dread. and disbelief -- you have to understand, it was for 4.5 years since his brother had been killed. it was only two months since martin luther king had been assassinated. i had been at the baptist church for martin luther king's funeral, which still remains one of the most remarkable of ants have ever been privileged to attend. -- remarkable events i have ever been privileged to attend. a sweltering day in at

the afl-cio was against immigration reform in 2007. has something changed? >> absolutely. you're starting to see the unions come on board here. and they're starting to signal that bringing all of these undocumented immigrants into the fold, making them legal is going to increase union membership, which has been on decline for many years. and what i'm watching today is this house hearing. we had last week the big unveiling of the senate gang of eight, we had the framework. and i was talking to marco rubio yesterday, and i said, who's writing the legislation here? who's running point for republicans, who's running point for democrats? and he said, there's not really a system yet. he has a piece he's interested in, he's going to be working on, security, border security, those kind of things, but there's not a system. and in this house hearing, you have a group that has been together for four or five years, we had a big cover story earlier, i guess last year now, in the "national journal," about immigration and this secret group of republicans and democrats who had been meeting

the afl-cio and chamber of commerce have struck an agreement on the need for a guest worker program asl as a new federal bureau to study labor shortages and a better way to give american workers first crack at available jobs. >>> in las vegas police still looking for at least one gunman after three people were killed yesterday in a shooting and fiery explosion on the vegas strip. police are combing through mounds of surveillance camera footage which they hope caught the shooting and the deadly traffic accident that followed. >>> there is a new cdc study out. it shows this year's flu shot is doing a terrible job protecting seniors. often most vulnerable to the flu. for people 65 and older it could only provide protection against the dangerous a strain, about 9% of the time. overall, though, getting the shot makes it 56% less likely you'll get the flu. >>> and here is a headline you don't hear every day. massive mutants goldfish in lake tahoe. scientists think the giant goldfish are the result of people releasing their household fish and now they're worried the widespread breeding could