it was the clinton administration, however, that made rogue regime part of washington's lexicon. when the defense secretary left aspen unvails proliferation initiatives in december 1993, he warned that the new nuclear danger we face is perhaps a handful of nuclear devices in the hands of rogue states or even terrorist groups. speaking in 1994 to politicians in brussels, clinton, himself, described iran and libya as rogue states. sec tear of state kris tosser rougherred to iran and iraq as rogue regimes in an address at georgetown university later that same year. in each case, the clinton administration focused more on rogues towards the yaits than the danger of rogue leaders posed to their own people. saddam hussein was a rogue leader pursuing nuclear weaponry and invaded kuwait. he was not a rogue because he gasessedded kurds and massacred shiites. tony lake, clinton's national security adviser, thought to define the concept, we've been together all parallelled definition using the term "backlash," the concept was the same. their behavior is often aggressive and defiant, ties bet

in the clinton administration sent the clinton administration to have dinner with the senior pakistani military individual. >> guest: it was the tunnel and then it ended up being someone else. >> host: okay, i just thought it was fascinating so that we could be there and he could tell them, oh, by the way -- >> guest: in about 10 minutes, missiles will flatter your space. i understand. >> host: if you think it was on during this time. not, do you think it would be making sense of the obama administration would be part of his leadership during or right before this? do you think this is part of a? >> guest: i think from the point of view of normal practice between allies, it would have been prudent to have an arrangement with the pakistanis and we are told that we are conducting this operation in the territory. but by 2011 at art the party reached a conclusion and they made this to try to -- they tried to make an effort of a grand bargain in a big deal. pakistan's problems with india and afghanistan being addressed. some kind of an arrangement and backed was part of this. the military an

clinton in april of 1995. today, the cia and the clinton presidential library are releasing 3411 documents that will shed light on the role intelligence played in the clinton administration's policy decisions during the 1992-1995. these documents tell three important stories. first is one of presidential leadership. armed conflict broke out in bosnia after declaring independence from yugoslavia in 1992. the documents depight a newly elected president eager to address the intensifying conflict which showed no sign of resolution. in 1995, they led to the dayton accord that led to ending of fighting in the region. the second story is one of intelligence support. in june 1992, the cia created the dci bulkan task force under rapidly bulkan conflict. the clinton administration informed by the bulkan task force chartered a strategic policy melding humanitarian aide, economic sanctions, force, and diplomacy, but the path to peace, as these documents make clear, was treacherous, and the administration relied on accurate intelligence to make difficult choices. the last story is the uniqueness of the documents themselves. this collection has a portion of the bosnia wars, the youngest

jon: he was at the white house when the monica lewinsky mess was plaguing the clinton administration.hat's a connection there. he comes also as a guy named pete rouse is leaving the white house. he's been the president's adviser for, well, back to the time when he was an illinois senator. here's a picture of rouse. "the new york times" points out mr. podesta and mr. rouse share some similarities. both are older than the 52-year-old president, mr. rouse is 67, mr. podesta nearly 65, and are said to be able to speak candidly to him, much like party elders. both also have far more experience, washington experience, than mr. obama. so this is a case, maybe, of a gray beard coming in to steady an administration that's a little shaky? >> possibly. john podesta is certainly a washington insider. he has great connections both from his nonprofit which has been able to be successful because of those connections but also through the relations he established under the clinton administration. someone who has connections where the president doesn't that he could reach out and maybe help particularl

the last 30 years we've had dramatic economic growth. i was very fortunate i was there with reagan and with clinton. in the case of the clinton administration when we worked with them, from 1993 to 200, one of the very four people of poverty left poverty, and huge economic growth. about 3 1/2, 4 million people, xw a million and a half people, lost their jobs. why is it so hard to look at the things that have work. try to find a way and say, which of these pieces really worked. find out what are their patterns? and how can we replicate it. >> do you remember you swore me in? >> i did. >> and we got a lot done during that period. maybe you ought to come back. i know exactly what works. i remember clearly there was a surplus when president clinton left. when president bush came in and the two wars and the economic policies and tax cuts for the welte. that surplus went down down down. thanks god he put forth the recovery plan. not one single remember voted for it, but believe you me, it turned the economy around. and he compromised, he worked with republicans. i wanted more in that, and it worked. >> let me ask you one specific idea, which i'll

fifty years or more that the countries haven't had diplomatic relations with clinton in the year two thousand he shook females hand but again i mean under the clinton administration the blockade against cuba was tightened and the policies were made even more aggressive you know it doesn't really mean anything it's part of the insincere diplomacy that occurs in these kinds of world events that unfortunately have little impact on our day to day reality thanks for the good to talk to a lot of your a military thank you. the chemical agency overseeing syria's toxic disarmament says there's a high chance the next phase won't be completed on time under the most critical chemical should be transported out of the country by the end of this year but since the route from damascus to the port city of the takia runs through rebel held areas there are fears the weapons could end up in the hands of extremists before syria has complied with all the deadlines and he's expected to finish the process in the middle of next year french journalist says that even though the rebels may follow the mission it's the government which we throw into the dogs. the big danger of course is that

trade agreements, the united states trade representative who served as an major chunk of the clinton administration. she said that in a speech here at the national press club in describing why it was not an impediment to her getting trade expansion and a way to not have fast track. there is a congressional record reference to 138 cheered agreements by congressman the seraphs from the ways and means committee. if you look at the floor debate in 2001 and the original bush fast-track house vote you can check out that. he lists a bunch of countries. as far as the wto agreement, again, and in a way that is not going to help congress is more enthusiastic about sharing its constitutional trade authority with the executive branch, the administration's original position is they are not bringing it to congress. they have negotiated. they are not bringing in for a vote which is remarkably imperious command we shall see what happens. i'm sure it will help the enthusiasm to give away their official authority. that being said, there has been such a bunch of hoopla about the very exciting announcement that could

we had differences during the clinton administration. like he is a big advocate of obama. a big advocate of sydney blumenthal. >> jeffrey, it's funny. let's let him go. >> real funny. it is not about me. and the fact that you want to try to do a hit on me shows me that you're not a serious person. and frankly, should not be doing legal commentary for cnn. >> i think there are very serious issues here. the idea that you are the representative is really very unfortunate. because there are important issues and they are not obvious in their resolution. but your paranoia and fantasies about the nsa being after you are unworthy of this important case. >> i think you should read the xlanlt. rather than shooting your mouth off. obviously, the judge didn't agree with you, jeffrey. read what he said. and you can find it at freedom watch usa. this is a disgraceful. >> oh, my gosh. are you okay? >> no. are you okay? >> this is not about me. come on. you made this about you. it is not about the xlanlt. i'm not good to go argue with you. thank you. can we get him off, please? can we plea

that's why we had surpluses at the end of the clinton administration, because we had growth. part of the reason the deficit is likely to come down the future to some degree is because the economy looks better over the longer term than we thought it was going to be. but you still have to make these tough political decisions. if the president had early on taken the bull sense proposal which is deficit reduction group that he had appointed and headed from the state of the union message okay they've given us this proposal. congress, go to work on it and get me a budget by july, six months from now. early in his career as president it might have changed the paradigm. >> one thing that was in the congressional in-box, you're going to tell us, may not be there any more. have they come to an agreement on the military appropriations. >> they have the national defense authorization has come an agreement. they announced they're going to fast track it to get it done before the house leaves at the end of the week. that means none controversial things that were agreed upon with this agreeme

diplomats and in particular after the bombings of the american embassies in nairobi, in the clinton administration, congress started legislating much better protection. but it has the dysfunctional outcome that you say. it's actually not making american diplomats safer, because it's so difficult to get into an american embassy that today go out to have their meetings -- that they go out to have their meetings. so they are less well protecteddal hoe they're doing their jobs well. they're out and about in foreign societies being the america that people see. >> host: i'm going to read a quote you have here in your book, tell us who this is from. washington awoke, a capital at war. the indecisions, hesitations and doubts of the past year, the pretenses and fumblings were gone. argument other the country and its capital turns to what americans like and do best, action. in a few months, half a continue innocent and 130 million people were transformed into the greatest military our the world had seen. >> host: what is that from? >> guest: yeah. it is dean acheson writing on december 8, 1941, right after

example there's been far more atrocities committed by the bush government or the clinton government the clinton administration then could not be ever committed but we don't ever have that kind of discussion because it could after it was created as this incredible bogeyman like i said the devil of all devil because he's an arab and it works very well for the anti arab. right narrative onslaught that's going on the global are just arab countries for example an arab civilization so what went down in libya was a massive us french backed invasion us troops all over the place committing massive atrocities that were all covered up and did they achieve their aims yes they remove gadhafi even though he was our man even though we had business deals with because the feet. up to two thousand and five six seven years and they destroyed the country destroyed the infrastructure absolutely destroyed the systems that could us he had put in place and whether you like the guy or not it created some systems in his own country that some autonomy that were effective and useful and the people of libya many people in libya appreciat

example there's been far more atrocities committed by the bush government or the clinton government the clinton administration then could be ever committed but we don't ever have that kind of discussion because it could after it was created as this incredible bogeyman like i said and the devil of all devil because he's an arab and it works very well for the anti arab. right narrative onslaught that's going on the global are arab countries for example an arab civilization so what went down in libya was a massive us french backed invasion us troops all over the place committing massive atrocities that were all covered up and did they achieve their aims yes they remove gadhafi even though he was our man even though we had business deals with because the feet throughout the two thousand and five six seven years and they destroyed the country destroyed the infrastructure absolutely destroyed the systems that could be had put in place and whether you like the guy or not it created some systems in his own country that some autonomy that were effective and useful and the people of libya many people in libya appreciat

example there's been far more atrocities committed by the bush government or the clinton government the clinton administration then could be ever committed but we don't ever have that kind of discussion because could after it was created as this incredible bogeyman like i said the devil of all devil because he's an arab it works very well for the anti arab. right narrative onslaught that's going on the global are just arab countries for example an arab civilization so what went down in libya was a massive us french backed invasion us troops all over the place committing massive atrocities that were all covered up and did they achieve their aims yes they remove gadhafi even though he was our man even though we had business deals with because duffy throughout the two thousand and five six seven years and they destroyed the country destroyed the infrastructure absolutely destroyed the systems that could not be had put in place and whether you like the guy or not it created some systems in his own country that some autonomy that were effective and useful and the people of libya many people in libya appreciated th

example there's been far more atrocities committed by the bush government or the clinton government the clinton administration then could not be ever committed but we don't ever have that kind of discussion because it could after it was created as this incredible bogeyman like i said the devil of all devil because he's an arab and it works very well for the anti arab. right narrative onslaught that's going on the global are arab countries for example an arab civilization so what went down in libya was a massive us french backed invasion us troops all over the place committing massive atrocities that were all covered up. did they achieve their aims yes they remove gadhafi even though he was our man even though we had business deals with because duffy throughout the two thousand and five six seven years and they destroyed the country destroyed the infrastructure absolutely destroyed the systems that could not be had put in place and whether you like the guy or not it created some systems in his own country that some autonomy that were effective and useful and the people of libya many people in libya appreciated

. >> you worked with john podesta when he was the first in the bill clinton administration. 's now coming back. the cavalry, they need help. >> john and he's bringing back fill sher repair row, a well thought of guy with terrific experience on the hill. it was very good for the president to add those. >> you were there for tough moments in the clinton administration. >> you made them tough. you could have gone easier on me. >> paul begala coming back to the white house helping this president get through the remaining lee years. >> he's doing great without me. >> oh, you've got that one to yourself, paul. you've got that one all to yourself. >> ben stein, paul begala, thanks very much. still ahead, what would you do if you were stuck in the freezing wilderness with little kids and just a little food? family was stuck in this jeep for days. you're going to want to hear what our own dr. sanjay gupta's survival tips for sub freezing weather are. that's straight ahead. orbiting the moon in 1971.as ead afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it'

really did believe that the cia had been melted down to, basically, a debased society under the clinton administration. and they felt that the military's covert unit would be the best weapon that the u.s. could use in a discreet global secret war. and so they injected jsoc with steroids. and general stanley mcchrystal ran jsoc for much of the bush era, and they began operating what was effectively a global hunting organization. and they weren't hunting deer, they were hunting people. and they did their own interrogation. they have their own secret prisons. it was a whole parallel apparatus to what the cia had traditionally had sovereign realm other. >> host: how did you get involved in this line of work? >> guest: purely by accident. i went to university thinking i wanted to be a middle schoolteacher. and i discovered very soon after i got to the university what it meant to be on academic probation. i was a terrible student. so if i'm a horrible student, i don't know how i'm going to teach the youth of america to do anything. [laughter] it's not that i was screwing around and out partying, i just wasn

crashed in nineteen twenty nine and let's talk about today and ironically of course under the clinton administration we saw this massive deregulation the economy. why is twenty sixteen the next date i mean obviously we're in this right now but why is that the peak or are right now and and it is both an economic cycle and a political cycle the crash really began and late two thousand and six and those people within the bush administration had any sense saw it coming and did everything they could to keep it from happening before the november two thousand and eleven they were not successful and i think that's part of why we have president obama rather than president mccain president obama and his staff are looking and the fed they're all looking at the same thing not my watch we don't want to happen on our watch and so they're doing everything they can to try to push that crash back to november twenty sixth and that's why we chose that book. title you know betty for the book title. the thing that obama has that bush didn't and the negative thing that obama hasn't pushed it is bush didn't have the entir

the obama administration. relates to the bush administration, the clinton administration, first bush to reagan. all the way through. it's beyond me why they didn't that re attention to particular issue. you know, the old saying is that hard work is great. we got a little bit of a program problem. little software problem. and hit balloons. think eventually that problem gets worked out. nd at that point, then i think the republicans will rue the day they made that essential issue. then i'll be working for millions of people and they'll be happier. a plus for them. but they can't count on it computers being troublesome a year from now. >> a caucus that was quite so, when us, famously you were trying to lead them. oes this strike you as a smart leadership move to get control back of the agenda, put the kind of on the back burner? et the committees work their way? and instead put the spotlight on underbelly bably the of the democratic party right now, the struggles that obama likely having and continue to have as we move to 2014? the think that's part of sfr strategy. i think it would be wise if it w

that crashed in nineteen twenty and let's talk about today and ironically of course one of the clinton administration we saw this massive deregulation the economy why is twenty sixteen the next date i mean obviously we're in this right now but why is that the peak or are right now and and it is both an economic cycle and a political cycle the crash really began into late two thousand and six and those people within the bush administration had any sense saw it coming and did everything they could to keep it from happening before the november two thousand a to like they were not successful and i think that's part of why we have president obama rather than president mccain president obama and his staff are looking and the fed they're all looking at the same thing not my watch we don't want to happen on our watch and so they're doing everything they can to try to push that crash back to november twenty sixth and that's why we chose that. title you know betty for the book title. the thing that. obama has that bush didn't and the negative thing that obama hasn't pushed it is bush didn't have the entire dem

the obama administration. that relates to the bush administration, the clinton administration. all the way through. it is beyond me why they pay more attention to that particular issue. we have are is great little bit of a program problem -- a little bit of a software problem. i think eventually, that problem gets work out. i think thet, republicans will rue the day they made that a central issue. it will be working for millions of people. right now, it is a plus for them, but they cannot count on computers to be troublesome a year from now. >> [inaudible] it was a caucus that was quite rambunctious when you were trying to lead them. does this strike you as a smart leadership move to get control back? but the budget issues on the back burner, but the committees work their way and put the spotlight on what is the underbelly of the democratic troublesht now, the that obamacare is having? >> that was part of the strategy. republicans had to get off the crisis to crisis management. they received most of the blame for the shutdown. it was not fair, but they did receive most of the blame. now the slate i

crashed in nineteen twenty nine and let's talk about today and ironically of course under the clinton administration we saw this massive deregulation the economy why is twenty sixteen the next day to i mean obviously we're in this right now but why is that the peak or are right now and and it is both an economic cycle and a political cycle the crash really began into late two thousand and six and those people within the bush administration had any sense saw it coming and did everything they could to keep it from happening before the november two thousand a day like they were not successful and i think that's part of why we have president obama rather than president mccain president obama and his staff are looking and the fed they're all looking at the same thing not my watch we don't want to happen on our watch and so they're doing everything they can to try to push that crash back to november twenty sixth and that's why we chose that. title you know betty for the full title. the thing that obama has that bush didn't and the negative thing that obama hasn't pushed it is bush didn't have the entire d

waco was supposed to be a way for the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and the clinton administrationo prove the need for a ban on so-called assault weapons. by accusing the president of working with the u.n., the united nations, in an effort to confiscate our guns. quote, there's no doubt president obama and his anti-gun pals believe the timing has never been better to ram through the u.n.'s global gun control crown jewel. registration is the first step towards outright confiscation. and this treaty sets the stage for confiscation on a global scale. he's referring to a treaty signed by the u.n. that will represent global arms trade in an effort to stop military equipment from getting to the terrorists and dictators. it does not require regulation inside countries. meanwhile he compared to president saddam hussein with children in the audience. here he is. >> we're asking the president to go through the process if he thinks his bills are good, his law is good, then he should go through congress. he's not a king. using children, that reminds me of saddam hussein when he used kids. >> o

ambassador to brazil during the clinton administration. >> good morning. good morning to many good friends in the audience. i am jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center. i am delighted to welcome you to this just before the christmas holiday important event. the wilson center knows a lot about brazil. and so does our keynote speaker and good friend ambassador tom shannon. our brazil institute led by paulos otero is this from your place in washington for dialogue on u.s./brazil policy. we were the first to honor dilma rousseff when she became president of brazil. we regularly host brazilian governors and legislators and are trusted platform to air the good, the bad and ugly in our relationship. tom shannon qualifies as part of the good. i hope he's relieved to hear that. as thelose to four years highly regarded u.s. career foreign service ambassador to brazil he is back in washington as senior advisor to secretary kerry. there are lots of rumors about ... brazil is the be brics. to introduce him is former brazil ambassador, u.s. ambassador to bra

agreements is charlene the nited states trade representative who served for major chunk of the clinton administration and she said that actually i think in a speech here at the national press club in describing why it wasn't an impediment for her to get trade expansion under way to not have ast track. the -- now, there is a congressional record referenced 138 trade agreements by congressman becerra from the ways and means committee. i'm not sure where he got those. if you look at the floor debate in 2001 in the original bush fast track house vote, you can check out that. and he lists a bunch of the countries that he has in mind. just f.y.i. as far as the w.t.o. agreement, again, in a way that is not going to help congress get more enthusiastic about being -- about sharing its constitutional trade authority with this executive branch, the administration's original position so far is they're not bringing it to congress. they negotiated, they're not bringing it to a for. it's remarkably impure yuss. we'll see what happens. i'm sure will help congress' enthusiasm to give away that authority to be treated

during the clinton administration mandela praised fidel castro, and he referred to dibban dictator moammarfi as a brother and a friend. when criticized of his phrase of qaddafi, mandela hit back calling the administration arrogant. by the time president george w. bush entered the white house mandela was out of office in south africa but still an annoyance to the bush administration. after president bush said the iraq war was about liberation mandela famously said was all he wanted was iraqi oil. now, however, the for nelson mandela the flags have been lowered to half-staff and a reminder that a string of u.s. leaders at some moments in time a subversive threat. vet often sometimes the administration treaded carefully with mandela. after the comments regarding the iraq war, h president bush said that he was a great leader but on iraq they have a disagreement. >> thank you. more than a thousand african-american brokers have won a multi million settlement against bank of merrill lynch, one of the largest race-discrime cases ever, john, i don't know if there is an appeal to come, but at this m

gretchen, bringing in john podesta, an old hand from the clinton administration to be the chief counseloror president obama, do you think that can help turn thing around this year? >> yes. i think podesta has a great history in washington at being able to create relationships on capitol hill. he is known for processes and systems he put in place in the white house and i think that's what we've seen the obama administration needs because time and time again the president has found out about things about reading the headlines on things he should have known about, things his secretaries and administration should have made him aware of. having said that, one person can't solve all of the problems this administration has had especially when you're looking at the problem of trust, trust and credibility are something that is suffering very much with this administration. and those things are very hard to rebuild with the american public. >> doug, potential glimpse into how this white house might operate in the next year or two came back in 2010 when the center for american progress, which john po

you know, i worked in the clinton administration so i had all these friends from, there and then in democraticitics in new york, so that's what we kind of bonded over. that was our religion to a certain extent. >> that was your religion. >> yeah. so now suddenly i had different interests and was moving in another direction. not that there was a falling out or they were mean to me or anything, just we started being interested in different things. >> as you went public with your beliefs, what was the reaction of your family? >> they were not very happy about it. i come from a very intellectual family, very liberal family that's, you know, my parents are professors, and they thought it was extremely odd and didn't like it very much. i remember tell mig mother i'm going to a bible study and she said, okay, and then she said, well, that's good, that's a nice education, you know, for literature and things like that. and i said, no, i believe it. and she sort of said, okay. >> the reactions to your piece and whether it surprised you. >> very positive. yeah, i was surprised. i got so many e-mails. i e

any way, here's the people in whom the clinton administration and numerous people in the obama administration have such faith in. this article today, 5:07 p.m., rth korea state media says cle of kim jung inch l was executed. and wendy sherman persisted that we can trust these guys even in her ope ed in 2001. and you couldn't trust them. and people that knew these people knew you couldn't trust the leadership. you could trust the north koreans. you can't trust their leadership. yirnians but he can't trust their leadership. another article, nuclear gang-bangers and points out, yirne appreciates three laws, number one, nuclear weapons earn a reputation. number two, the more loco a nuclear nation sounds the more it sounds that nuclear states will say it is not subject to nuclear deterrence and pay vibes for it to bave. gang bangers have nothing to lose. they are more responsible intended targets have everything to lose. number three, there is no 100% effective nuclear effective defense systems that can guarantee non-nuclear powers from a sudden attack. the police have the upper hand. and this adm

i think the last thing i noticed , just the council itself, i was honored to serve in the clinton administration as well whenever something called the president's working group. two secretary geithner's leadership, this council has come together, a place where we can collaborate them a have honest discussions, and when we disagree, we disagree agreeably. and i think the sign of that is that tomorrow we will, as i can predict -- keep fingers crossed -- i think we will bring an important role across -- rule across the line, the vocal room -- volcker rule. again, thank you. not have a statement. i want to thank you, mr. secretary, for those kind words, and thank my colleagues on the council. very rewarding working with all of you, and i think the council has served its purpose of helping us work together better and to better coordinate our efforts. very important that we recognize the financial system is a system. we cannot look at a piece by piece, but as a whole, and the council has been effective in promoting that holistic approach to oversight and regulation. so thank you, and again, it is been

q&a with carol browner, a distinguished fellow, and who also held the same position in the clinton administration. we look forward to those remarks. [applause] >> good morning, everyone. it is great to be here. thank you for the introduction. also, thank you to my friend carol browner for taking care of the easy things and leaving me with a more complicated work. thank you for your years of service. you do tremendous work at epa. first, i want to congratulate everyone at cap. i understand you are 10 years old. congratulations on the anniversary. it is an incredible achievement to be the place where the best minds come to work and look at opportunities or how we can get together and take action on opportunities to strengthen our country. it is great to be here. i cannot thank all of you enough for the work you are doing on issues like climate change that go to the heart of asking ourselves the question of what kind of a country, and what kind of a world, do we want to leave to our children and grandchildren? these are big issues, and i am glad to be here to talk about them. certainly, i want to ge

richard aborn who ran assault weapons ban in the clinton administration, he talked a lot. the intensity. until groups -- we can have all the groups. until it becomes the number one issue for millions of people, as it has become for the right -- it's a proxy issue for so many. what's at stake is a deformation of freedom and liberty that the nra and other groups preyed on and manipulated. i think we need to reframe it. the issue is we did public health, common sense, all that. common sense doesn't drive passion and intensity. there has to be a mood. >> keeping children safe at university college campus or, you know, in their elementary school -- granted, the assault weapons ban is not going to solve everything, limited magazines aren't going to solve everything but basic practical steps. >> familiar dynamic robert describes in his piece. the nra is worried about being primaried. nra worried about nuttier smaller organization that are going to challenge its power and dominance. so much of this is a bureaucratic story about perpetuating your power, your position in washington.

during the clinton administration mandela praised cuba's communist dictator fidel castro and referred to libyan dictator muammar qaddafi as a friend. president bush said the iraq war was about liberation. mandela said all bush wanted was iraqi oil. now the flags in washington have been lowered to half-staff. the icon, whose legacy was at times considered a subversive threat. >> u.s. administration always seemed tread very carefully with mandela. and many officials who served as president throughout the years are even more delicate saying this is not the time to r relitigate those old conflicts. >> for more on the mood in south africa let's go to my colleague, mike hannah. he is in soweto, and it's great to sue you. how would you describe the mood on that street in that neighborhood this evening? >> well, it's a very strange mixture, tony. it's a deep sadness among many here. but there is also an insistence that there must be a celebration of his life. throughout the day here we have seen people dancing, singing, moving up and down. it's way past 1:00 in the morning local time. that th

>> joe romm thinks a trillion might be optimistic romm ran alternative fuel projects in the clinton administrationmount of co2 we're talking about is mind-boggling. >> if the world did this at scale, it would be the equivalent amount of co2 going into the ground as oil now comes out of the ground. so you have to recreate the entire oil delivery infrastructure of the planet, which was built up over a century, just to deal with this co2. >> is it practical? >> that we don't know yet. no one has ever taken large volumes of co2 and stuck it in these deep underground aquifers and then measured and verified that it stays there permanently. i mean, after all, if it doesn't stay there permanently, if it leaks out slowly, it's not saving the climate. remember, we spent 30 years just trying to get one repository for nuclear waste, yucca mountain, and we haven't succeeded. now we're gonna need dozens and dozens of repositories for co2. >> it is not impossible. what we need in this country is what i would call a marshall plan. we rebuilt the economies of japan and germany after world war ii. we need to rebuil

you were at the white house during the clinton administration, and you talked about, you know, it's notspeak, with his booming voice and that of nelson mandela's. but their presence is similar. >> their presence. their presence is very much similar. i mean, i remember when he was in my mom's office at the king center. my mother hosted the trip that he took to atlanta. and he came to the king center, and our family had an opportunity to sit with him just a little while. where just remember that his peaceful presence filled that room. and he didn't have to say a whole lot. i mean, because his being just spoke so much. then again, when i was at the white house during the clinton administration, you know, you want to hear what he has to say because it's like, this man has paid a dear price. and he has conducted himself, as my father would say, on the higher plain of dignity and discipline, and you can't help but want to hear what he has to say. >> everyone knows, everyone knows who dr. martin luther king is. but i tell you, bernice, there are many young people who have no idea nelson mandel

the bill clinton. once we got up there, it took us a while to figure it out. >> one thing that people never understood about the shutdown was that the clinton administration was trying to cook the books. they had phony economic numbers. they were projecting the economy would grow by 4% or number five percent -- i don't remember the numbers. they were unrealistic. you didn't have to reform the government to get to a balanced budget. that was a fight worth having. after having gone through that, i ask a had members of the administration come to see me and say, ok, we want to really engage in this again. in that case, the shutdown resulted in something positive and something that could be attained. we ended up doing negotiations, the 1997 agreement, balanced budget, paid down the largest amount of debt in american history, had a growing economy. in that case, you have to stand and fight but you have to have an achievable objective long haul. >> and a positive message for it. let me ask you, governor perry, about a moment during a debate -- we are talking about being positive. immigration. it is a positive moment for you come i think. it is a positive moment for

. >> and you handled monica lewinsky, during the clinton administration. s it like what the scandal portrays, involving the president? is that what it is really like in real life? >> well, when you think about it, it is the president of the united states. and of course all eyes are watching you and how you navigate through a crisis. so it was one of those 24/7 non-stop can't make one mistake. >> well, you didn't have -- if you didn't have to deal with that, say twitter and facebook, it must be very different armory to deal with a scandal. let's say for instance, the paul walker tragedy, within minutes, the rumor mill broke, he was doing 150 miles an hour, they were racing, most of it is dismissed out of hand and may all be completely untrue. how do you deal with that particular development in the process of a scandal? >> i think social media has made my job so much more difficult. you know, you can have someone at home blogging in their jammies, and all of a sudden it becomes fact. and it is all over the world and very hard to bring something like that back

ambassador to brazil during the clinton administration. welcome, tony. >> thank you. thank you, jane. thank you for the fine leadership that you bring to this important institution in washington. i first met tom shannon in 1999 when i was unexpectedly preparing to go to brazil as u.s. ambassador. mandate to update an important and under attended bilateral relationship. otero aboutaulos the same time. my appreciation and understanding of brazil. director atstaff the time and it was apparent that he was not only knowledgeable about brazil, but had developed an unusual awareness and affection for the country while serving as assistant to a prior u.s. ambassador. help, wes advice and were able to conclude significant agreements and open new space in u.s.-brazil cooperation. rising star in our foreign service. he was white house senior .irector the brazilian government was delighted to see him come back to brazil. he was nominated as an accomplished ambassador to longrned briefly enough to add a couple of gray hairs as secretary of political affairs at the request of secret