the united states. that is a typical type of job that happens in the campaign world. it was not a person directly affiliated with the clintonign. working with the ukrainian government, the issue there is the paul manafort story. he was the chairman of the trump campaign in his business life, he had done work on behalf of other governments and they believed that they had information that would be critical of him and would be useful for the democratic concerns. now i have reached out to people who work directly with the clinton campaign, including the head of their opposition research and i was told that he said that he had no knowledge of this at all. in fact using his words, i didn't know what the hell thefrp talking about. the first time i heard about this distraction was in press reports last january. there's only one campaign thkol lewded and that was donald trump and that is from the head of opposition research for the hillary clinton campaign. we had as our guest, the former communications director for hillary clinton and jennifer palmieri addressed this as well on msnbc. here's how she responded to this issue and this

. >> a prime target was the chairman of hillary clinton's campaign, john pudestau. >> it changed thed. >> this seemingly be9 message was actually a spear fishing email. it warned someone just used your password and prompted him to change his password immediately by clicking on a link. it was signed innocuously, best the g mail team. >> it actually got managed by my assistant that checked with my cyber security guy and through a comedy of errors, i guess, he instructed her to click on it and she did. >> the fatal error, padesta's it person wrote back saying legitimate. >> he meant to say it's illegitimate. the rest is history. >> one typo, one click and they the rushzs gained free rain for the man running the clinton campaign. >> pretty simple. it was not high level stuff. >> that is one of the frustrations, i think for all cyber security experts. >> russia had now successfully breached two democratic party computer systems. that of the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee. >> we were kind of blown away by the brashness that they're operating with, almost like they d

campaign. then this quote... "she occasionally shared her findings with officials with the dnc and the clinton campaign." so, this dnc operative, paid, was working with ukraine and also sharing potentially damaging information with the tidnc and hillary clinton's campaign. then to top it all off, the dnc operative also said that she would give off the record information and guidance "to a lot of journalists." you know, those people that suck it all in. they were trying to write stories about the trump campaign and paul manafort. maybe that's why the media doesn't want you to know about this story. were they complicit in this foreign plot to damage the trump campaign? here's another example that has been completely ignored. a congressional investigation back in 2014, an israeli political group used $300,000 from the obama state department in a grant to create a political apparatus. for what purpose? to try to defeat one of our closest allies, to defeat the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. next is the media and the democrats. the ones that are so apoplectic about the idea of collusion. why have t

the other of restricting people from voting. during the campaign, -- host: which campaign question mark guest: the past camp -- which campaign? guest: the past campaign, they criticized the clinton campaign for the fund rising. we over filed a complaint against the clinton campaign for illegally working for a so-called outside group. we have been nonpartisan about this. if receipt a violation, we will file a complaint. host: norm in north carolina, go ahead. caller: i am enjoying the conversation. i will bring it back to topic. there seems to be a lot of call on the right and the last one is an example, where they try to obfuscate the point and bring up other issues they feel are germane to the conversation, haven't we been talking about this long enough, so on and so forth? benghazi was investigated 33 times and nobody on the right was calling for us to get over that issue at that point. considering what the trump team just revealed in these emails, at what point does mr. mueller start drinking the folks from andtrump campaign into start questioning them? and will those be broadcasted the way the senate hearings are? guest: i agree with the caller that of the arguments are dist

hillary clinton allowed 20% of our uranium reserves to go to the russian firm, whose investors gave money to the clinton foundation. the clinton campaign -- you're talking about actual evidence, not conjecture. my other impression of your interview is -- how refreshing to have someone take responsibility, be transparent and earnest, admit that maybe he would have done things differently. i think many people in last year's election should say they should have done things differently. hillary clinton had a 92% chance of winning michigan. she had a 0% chance. many things could be done differently. at the bottom line is, what came out of this 20 minute brief meeting? nothing helpful, meaningful, consequential. if that weren't true, there would have been immediate follow-up. no follow-up whatsoever. >> sean: the woman being paid by the dnc -- i will go to the politico article --dash she shared her findings with officials. she went to the ukrainian embassy and they were disseminating false information on donald trump. they even take credit for helping to push out a paul manafort at that particular point in the campaign. there's real collusio

-- how does the clinton campaign feel knowing after this e-mail came out? well, look, i don't think there is a clinton campaign today, but in clinton world. >> the remains of the clinton campaign. >> one of the frustrations we had throughout the summer and fall when it became aapparent that russia was interfering with our elections was that we couldn't get people in the media to take it seriously. what we now know is not only should they have taken it seriously, but you had the trump campaign complicit in it. donald trump jr. was dishonest. thankfully chris rate said today this is not a witch-hunt. director mueller's investigation is not. and so sits coming out now with clear facts that he not only had this meeting, he knew that there was a plan in place, because his friend e-mailed him that this is part of the russian government's attempts to help mr. trump. >> i don't accept your premise that the media ignored it because i remember it and i certainly pushed donald trump on russia at press conferences. but more broadly, at the time russia was not -- wasn't

the president. let's go back to the campaign. remember wikileaks? b they expose this unholy alliance between the clinton campaign and the press. it was a highly orchestrated plots between the clinton campaign, the media, why? they wanted w hillary elected to print the evidence is overwhelming, it's incontrovertible. remember cnn? fake news. they gave the clinton team debate questions ahead of time, does anyone ever a member how bernie sanders was railroaded in the fix was in and it was a rigged primary? this is why, clinton was given a free pass by the media despite a mountain of evidence of felonies, crimes, wrongdoing in the excusable behavior. it's wide now the media refuses to even cover, they don't care. that's advancing that radical out left agenda, and hurting president trump.hi earlier today, some of them, they've been doing this since p november 9th talking about the president and impeachment, watch this. >> so many of us are in every way we possibly can to unveil the criminal activity, the unconstitutional activity of this president and hist family. i have dubbed them the criminal clan along time ago ago. >> impeachme

the president. let's go back to the campaign. remember wikileaks? they exposed this unholy alliance between the clinton campaign and the press. there was a highly orchestrated plot between the clinton campaign, the media. why? they wanted hillary elected. the evidences overwhelming incontro varietyible. remember cnn? oh, yes, fake news. remember they gave the clinton debate team questions ahead of time. bernie sanders was railroaded, and it was a rigged prime minister. this is why that clinton was given a free pass by the media despite a mountain of evidence of felonies, crimes, wrongdoing, inexcusable behavior, and it's why now the media refuses to even cover massive scandals that you, the american people, need to know about. they don't care to search for answers. they're not looking for the truth. they have political, ideological interests, and of course that's advancing that radical all left wing agenda and hurting president trump. just take a look at this disgusting display from democrats earlier today. some of them, they've been doing this since november 9th, talking about the president, impeachment. watch this. >> so man

if they were doing this and aggressively on the hill, did you go to the clinton campaign and talk to them about it? so my colleagues and i went through a number of clinton sources and we found out that, no, the clinton campaign was able to definitively say they were not contacted by these two individuals who were at the trump tower meeting. they did not meet with them. they don't know these people. there's no connection. so at least with these two, there was no effort being made to also try and reach out to the clinton campaign and sway the clinton campaign to come out against this act or to do any sort of quid pro quo if hillary clinton was to become president. >> jim, by way of welcoming you to the broadcast, i want to play something i know you've seen and heard and members of our audience may not have. there was a moment, a genuine moment today on fox news. shep smith was talking to chris wallace. two of their straight news guys. they were talking about this russian meeting in trump tower with don junior as new details broke during their conversation. it was notable if you witnesse

operative actually paid a ukrainian government official -- they worked to aid the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign. to hurt donald trump during the 2016 election. the report details how this democratic operative, who used to work at the clinton white house, lead this effort and even met with the ukrainian diplomats at the ukrainian embassy to talk about ways to expose former trump campaign manager paul manafort and hurt the campaign. this operative went on to describe those ukrainian officials as being "helpful" when it came to leeds to pick up information, dirt on donald trump in his campaign. then this quote... so, this dnc operative, paid, was working with ukraine and also sharing potentially damaging information with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. then to top it all off, the dnc operative also said that she would give off the record information and guidance "to a lot of journalists." you know, those people that suck it all in. they were trying to write stories about the trump campaign and paul manafort. maybe that's why the media doesn't want you to know about this story. were they co

evidence of at least an attempt by the trump campaign to obtain information, again, in this case from a possible foreign agent that would interfere with the hillary clintonampaign efforts. this is, again, kind of the underlying premise that has been raised throughout this whole investigation. we've got more information to garner. >> do you expect to speak with jared kushner in the coming weeks? >> as has been indicated before, i think the chairman indicated this, that mr. kushner has volunteered to testify. i think it's important we obt n obtain, and we want to make sure we asked questions so we don't have this seeming forgetfulness. >> doourng you'll talk to kushner and manafort before the break? >> good try. >> can you give us a sense of where you are in the investigation. you're starting to interview some trump officials. why are you moving into this next phase? >> that's your inference. the chairman and i are working through a schedule, but i don't think it gains anything by going through who is coming in when. >> aside from this meeting, do you have any indication that any other people in the campaign were sort of shopping for opportunities? . there

you doubled back with the clinton campaign because they've been named throughout in this story. t dwelled on. so tell the good folks in our audience what you found out. >> the question i had was, so if this lawyer and this lobbyist -- let's say they were going around to the trump campaign trying to to say hey listen if you're elected there is this important magnitsky act and adoption program we want you know about it we'd love your support doing lobbying work like any other lobbiest if they've been doing this did you go to the clinton campaign and talk to them about it? so my colleagues and i margaret went through a number of of clinton sources and we found that no the clinton campaign was able to definitively they were terp not contacted by the two individuals at the trump tower meeting they did not meet with them they do not know the people they have no connection. so at least with these two there was no effort being made to also try and reach out to the clinton campaign and sway the clinton campaign in some way to come out against in act or to do any sort of quid pro quo if if

rob did you were you directed by the clinton campaign or by the d.n.c. to write those pieces about hillary clinton back in the day before anyone had vote in the primary election. i listen to three people me myself and i that's it ok but i'll say this and i've been i guess you know it was just really interesting one of the times they don't really think i said about donald trump well the media has the problem it's not a right or left that it's the media is one big the media is one big entity that gets paid to deceive the voters so it doesn't really matter right or left republican or democrat listen let me get in the media just take the orders and let me let r.t.c. or go ahead rob go ahead i want to be fair i think i think donald trump donald trump theoretically understood what the voters wanted which is why he was elected i think i don't think there was voter there there was a king in interference hillary didn't get it the democrats missed the boat so did i people were upset they wanted to see the swarm drain that's not going to happen because we have the g

the promise of election dirt. that would hurt the campaign of hillary clinton. cnn global affairs correspondent, elise labbot is here and we are joined as well. elise, to you first, what part of this is potentially damaging to the administration in the context of the federal investigation into election meddling? >> well, ana, this is an early indication that russians were seeking out members of the trump campaign. donald trump jr. says he didn't know he was meeting with an introduction from and doesn't say that miss universe pageant was held in 2013 in a suburb of moscow. so in essence, a contact he made in russia, trying to set him up with someone who had info that could help the campaign and so, the question is why didn't donald trump junior report there. and this plays into the investigation swirling, including the special council about contacts and allegations of inclusion between the trump government.mbers of the russian now they insist that they had no idea, trump jr. says he doesn't know who he was meeting, but it ended up being a russian attorney trying

and what was described there is look at it compared to the situation with the ukraine and the clinton campaign> the moment there's an fbi investigation or senate house intelligence committee investigation into ukraine and the dnc and the clinton campaign, i'm happy to discuss it. that's not what's going on right now. >> isn't that interesting there isn't one? >> there isn't one because nobody from the ukraine government met with anybody from the clinton campaign. moving on from that you're talking about the legality. i understand you're a lawyer. you're also a man of faith. isn't it kind of important whether or not what donald trump junior and manafort and kush thrner did whether or not it's wrong or ethical? >> you're conflating three things. the legality, was it legal or not? you're trying to put a moral ethical aspect to it. it's easy to do that in 20/20 hindsight but not in the middle of a campaign. meeting were taking place. 15, 20 minutes apart. this one went even shorter. everybody that's looking backwards and saying would have, could have, should have and donald trump junior said he wo

the clinton campaign boasted about killing a bloomberg news report highlighting the connection. we contacted bloomberg and they

tonight they bring the new book shattered inside hillary clinton's doomed campaign. rough deep access have reconstructed the key decisions and on seized opportunities. the well-intentioned misfires that turned the contest into a devastating loss. "the new york times" writes although the clinton campaign was widely covered and many have been conducted in the last several months, the details offered here in the campaigns and democratic party insiders are nothing less than devastating. sure to dismay not just the supporters but also everyone who cares about the outcome and the momentous consequences of the election. without further ado please help me in welcoming jonathan allen and amy. [applause] there is my family waiting over there that must have been drinking already. [laughter] we are going to read about one of the early chapters in the book, chapter seven and then we will talk about what the process was and take questions from anybody that asked the question. we are going to read a little part of chapter seven that centers around the iowa. bill clinton hollered at

colleagues and i margaret went through a number of of clinton sources and we found that no the clinton l clinton campaignble to definitively they were terp not contacted by the two individuals at the trump tower meeting they did not meet with them they do not know the people they have no connection. so at least with these two there was no effort being made to also try and reach out to the clinton campaign and sway the clinton campaign in some way to come out against in act or to do any sort of kwid pro quo if if hillary clinton was to become president. >> jim, which way of welcoming to you the broadcast before i come to you i want to play something. i know you've seen and heard this. and members of our audience may not have. there was a moment- -- a genuine moments on fox news shep smith was talking to chris wall street two of the straight news guys talking about the meeting in trump tower with don jr. as new details broke during the conversation. it was notable if you witnessed it. here it is we'll talk about it on the other side. >> fox news can now confirm new, more donald trump jr. jared kushner paul

the hill" newspaper in washington. she covered hillary clinton during the campaign and will cover the trump administration. they have written aclaimed biography, hrc. they brings us their new book, "shattered." inside hillary clinton campaign. jonathan and amy reconstructed key decisions and unseized opportunities, well-intentioned misfires and hidden thorns that turn ad winnable contest into a devastating loss. "new york times" write, although the clinton campaign was widely covered and many autopsies covered in the last several months, the blow by blow details in "shattered" and observations made lear by campaign and democratic party insiders are nothing less than devastating. sure to dismay not just her supporters but everyone who cares about the outcome and momentous consequences of election. without further adieu, let me welcome jonathan allen and amie parnes. >> good evening. thank you for coming. i see family, friend, and people we don't know yet. so, there is my family waving over there. they must have been drinking already. they're laughing like they were. so i think what we'll do here, read a litt

came on cnn, told our ja jake tap went after the clinton campaign at the mere suggestion russians wereed called it disgusting pt their credibility 59 this point after these months is thin and questionable. we'll see what the white house has to say about this later this afternoon. >> on that note, jim sciutto, one of don jr.'s defenses that he's been tweeting about over the past days has been, what about the democrats and hillary clinton the meetings with the ukrainians? do you think that there's an analogy there? do you think he has a legitimate defense? >> one difference is that -- i mean, his defense in effect that this is political opposition research, whether it quayle from ukrainians, russians or someone in the states is one point. he mentioned that again in this statement. two, the difference is that russia is a major u.s. adversary and of course was at the time hacking or meddling in the u.s. election. he said in his note today, attached to these e-mails this was before, in his words, the russian fever was en vogue. before he was aware it was out there russia was there. that's a

the clinton campaign, multiple officials have denied any collusion. e does -- there are sources that have told us that there was some crossover between her work at the dnc which was basically working as an ethnic coordinator with ukrainian americans at the dnc and her interest, her activist in that area. at one point she did go to the embassy, sources tell us. she did go to the embassy and was asked by somewhat at the dnc if the president of ukraine would be willing to take a question at a press conference about paul manafort, the trump campaign, he was hired basically to do delegates and moved and morphed into the head of the campaign. he had a long track record of work in ukraine that raised a lot of suspicions with ukrainian americans, including mrs. that lupe pa, including would the president of ukraine be comfortable taking a question at a press conference. she went to the embassy and actually asked officials there and she was told no and reported that back to the dnc. that's the extent we've been told that her activist has crossed over in terms o

who was at the upper echelons of the campaign in strategy meetings, campaigning across the country for his father -- has this meeting that is about getting this negative information on clintonwould be beneficial to the trump campaign from our adversary, from a russian national with ties to the kremlin. so, there is now -- you can't just do what donald trump's been doing on this story and just dismiss this now as nothing. this does raise a lot of questions. and to gloria's earlier point about who else was in the meeting, and jeffrey was saying this was no casual meeting. remember back in the days when the white house was trying to make us believe, have us believe that paul manafort was just a brief employee who did nothing but count delegates? well, obviously not. he's in this meeting with jared kushner and donald trump, jr., about this opposition research on hillary clinton. >> significant development indeed. bee anna, you're an expert on russia. it's sometimes difficult to distinguish between russian officials and russians who may have ties to the kremlin but aren't technically government officials. how do you see this? is this an example of russians using that so-called g

she occasionally shared her findings with officials from the dnc and clinton's campaign. , from what politico reported back in january, chalupa tried to share information with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. oh, sounds like collusion. now, we did once again, we reached out to this dnc operative for comment. we have yet to hear back. now chalupa did provide a statement to make news cnn. here's part of it during the 2016 u.s. election, i was a part-time consultant for the dnc running an ethnic engagement program. i was not an opposition researcher for the dnc and the dnc never asked me to go to the ukrainian embassy to collect information. by the way, during the period of time she made $412,000, according to politico. chalupa did admit that she did meet with the you rainyian officials at the ukrainian embassy but now claims six months later that the topic had nothing to do with the election. okay. now, putting chalupa's denial aside, six months after this article comes out, there are so many questions that we need answers to and our continued coverage on this scandal

so if somebody said, i have some bad information about the clinton campaign, that's just politics as usual. as we get closer to if they had knowledge that they were about to get illegally begotten or purloined electronic information, maybe you'd get closer in the sense that it's kind of a receiving stolen property, only in this case the property is computer information. but i don't think this is a smoking gun as we're making it out to be at this moment. yes, the people getting the information, the data, that appears to be a crime. but people who may eventually receive that information down the line are not necessarily committing a crime. >> i don't know. i actually disagree that, yes, campaign people say, hey, i've got bad information about your opponent, but to have foreign actors come in, and that's the big question to me here is, did he know this was a russian foreign -- was it a russian that he's meeting with. because that is absolutely illegal. that is really bad. >> what you just said is correct. but the mere fact that we're talking about him meeting with a russian lawyer. i am

according to that report, working with ukraine and also offering up information about the clinton campaign. it's only collusion what the market doesn't end there. she also said she would assist a lot of journalists in writing stories about manna fort and they trump campaign. we reached out to her for a quick comment explosive story, she hasn't gotten back to us. there's one other thing, enough is enough when it comes to the scandal. tonight, we on this show are demanding answers. answers to questions that you the american people deserve to know about because the evidence that we have here points to a foreign power that actually did work to influence the election. the dnc operative at the center of the scandal, she needs to be put under oath. she needs to tell congress what she knew, when she knew what and who she told it to. the same goes for the ukrainian ambassador that she met with, maybe it's also time for debbie wasserman schultz, maybe she's to answer questions under oath about chalupa's exact role. that would include a former clinton manager john podesta, he needs to be called to te

was described there is -- look at it and compare it to, for instance, ukrainians with the dnc and clinton campaign. >> the moment there's an fbi investigation or senate and house intelligence committee investigations into ukraine and the dnc and the clinton campaign, i'm happy to discuss it. but that's not what's going on right now. >> it's interesting there isn't one. but go ahead, jake. >> because nobody from the ukrainian government met with anybody from the clinton campaign. moving on from that, you're talking about the legality. i understand you're a lawyer but you're also a man of faith. >> yeah. >> isn't it kind of important whether or not what donald trump jr., manafort and kushner did, isn't it important, whether or not it's legal, whether or not it's wrong, whether or not it's e ethical? >> you're conflating, jake, three perspectives here. the legality. was the meet anding and what took place legal or not? almost every legal expert says it's not illegal. then you're trying to put a moral/ethical aspect to t it's easy to do that in 20/20 hindsight but noe not when you're in the middle of

clinton. that's not the only axe being waged. team trump pushing hard on the claim of mrs. clinton is guilty of everything they say. the president is not. >> the opposition research in campaigns happens all of the time. you have the situation with the ukrainians doing the same thing with the democratic national committee and the clinton campaign. >> and a raging bipartisan -- excuse me, a raging partisan dispute over the white house claim that the clinton campaign did the same thing in ukraine as trump denies doing with russia. "the washington post" asked a legal expert about the ukrainian claim, and he said there are troubling questions about ukraine involvement in our elections. the difference is that there is not clear evidence of the clinton campaign coordinating with a foreign national or encouraging or accepting their help. so if the white house is pulling no punches this morning, then perhaps it's because of some new polling out today and shows a strong majority, 55% say trump is not making a significant progress on his agenda. more even more to discover about who was in the june 9th meeting with the russians. so far we know at least six people who were at trump tower

in a tweet, on the clinton campaign's claims that the russians were helping trump, he said, quote, it's disgusting. it's so phony. donald trump jr. on july 24th, when responding it's disgusting so phony -- >> a month and week after -- >> kristen, thanks very much for your reporting on this, kasie hunt will continue to talk to people on capitol hill and getting a great deal of reaction, including some from senator lindsey graham of south carolina. let's listen to what he's had to say about this. >> okay, so any time you're in a campaign and you get offered from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is no. i don't know what mr. trump jr.'s version of the facts are. definitely he has to testify. that e-mail is disturbing. but what is equally odd that the person they met with knew absolutely nothing. so i don't know why they would pick somebody for him to meet with who didn't have information about the clinton campaign, but on its face, this is very problematic. we cannot allow foreign governments to reach out to anybody's campaign and say we'd like to help you. that is a n

you the opportunity to respond to a criticism raised over the last 24 hours, talking about the clinton campaign and the story on january the 11th about ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump. the government officials, the piece reads tried to help hillary clinton and undermine trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. they disseminated documents implementing a top aide in corruption and they helped to research damaging information on trump. the criticism was this was happening on the other side too, not just a trump/russia allegation. there was a clinton/ukraine allegation. >> i think they relate it back to the one clinton staffer i never met. and if this is about directing the hacking of the rnc and of donald trump's chief of staff and that this woman -- these officials met personally with podesta and chelsea clinton and others, then -- >> you're quite confident in saying that? >> i'm quite confident in saying that. we would understand the danger that would represent. >> we're just getting started here. kelly o'donnell, ashley parker, thank you for reporting. >>> coming up, donald tru

the democrats. a meeting with donald trump junior to try and hurt hillary clinton's campaign doesn't make sense anymore. the lawyer says she never had any damaging information on clinton breaking another news story tonight u.s. congressman got similar approach fromar russian officials at two months for trump's son. first, our "hannity" investigation into a massive election interference scandal that the destroyed trump media is not reporting on that democrats don't want you to know about. they won't go near it, but we will continue to expose the truth until they have to cover this and tell you what's really going on. back in january, the political published a stunning report and had this headline, ukrainian efforts to sabotage trump backfire. kiev officials scribble to makeg amends with president-elect after quietly working to boost clinton.ds her name is alexander toluca, she led the effort along with ukrainian government officials.d they wanted to help hillary clinton and try to damage donald trump during the 2016 election cycle. according to politico, he previously worked for the clinton white house

there are going to be a lot of people under investigation in this town, and the clinton campaign and the clinton cam and mrs. clinton personally in terms of getting money directly from russian interests while she is secretary of state. you can't overstate the seriousness of that. lou: why wouldn't 17 intelligence agencies be investigating that. we have the dni that that was russian intervention with the dnc servers. but that's a level of speculation because we don't have evidence and we don't have any sure connection. but now it's become as so many things have in this quote-unquote collusion episode. it's become fact just through repetition it's stunning stuff. >> compare and contrast with the all hands on deck the obama administration took to spying on trump and investigating the russia connection, compared to lone fbi agents and assistant u.s. attorneys were investigating the clinton foundation and they couldn't get permission to do anything other than read news tape clips. lou: gregg jar it point out on the federal election commission, they make it clear that volunteer work by a fo

at it. >> the president's campaign did not collude in any way. >> donald trump jr. , compromising information about hillary clintonort to help his father's campaign. >> opposition research. you're always looking to get the upper hand. >> what's been revealed for the first time is potential real coordination between the kremlin and the trump campaign. >> rest assured, donald trump jr. will be someone we want to talk to. >> there was no information given. there was no action taken. he learned nothing from that meeting. >> doesn't matter what he learned. it matters why he took the meeting. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and chris cuomo. >> tuesday, july 11th. the white house pushing back hard against "the new york times." they have a report that says donald trump jr. knew that a russian lawyer he was meeting with last summer would offer him dirt on hillary clinton as part of a russian government effort to help his father win the election. we now know of at least seven current or former trump cam. a team members that have lied, change their stories or not been forthcoming about contacts with russia. now wha

the fact is the ukrainians at the same time were working with the dnc and the clinton campaign to give opposition research on donald trump and his associates. >> i know you don't want to go back to the ukrainian example but here the situation exchanged documents from a foreign government. >> sean: finally we have the establishment media starting to talk about ukraine interfering in our elections. we still need answers from the people that were involved that means debbie wassermann schults and needs to testify about what she knew and when she knew it and john podesta and the operative testified she tried to share information with the dnc and clinton campaign and former campaign manager bobby mook about what he knows. it's a serious issue. far worse than anything trump/russia and to me worse than the helicopter tin foil hack conspiracy and with ukraine we have real collusion and may ended up in the dnc and clinton campaign and did impact the election because paul manafort resigned as chairman. all that evidence is why we're not going to stop covering the story until you, the american peo

put together, the group connected to the clinton campaign -- fusion gps. position research group has ties to the democrats, liberal groups like planned parenthood. this dossier first commissioned by a republican donor but eventually the clinton ally ended up paying for this. what's so disturbing is christopher steele, the former mi6 agent from great britain, she, -- he put this dossier together. sources with ties to the russian government. a law firm connected to both fusion gps and that russian lawyer who met with donald trump, jr., in 2016. this is a massive double standard from democrats on this big news dossier. they've been hyperventilating. so emotional about the idea of russian collusion and other countries try to influence our election. remember, ritz carlton, hooker, open urinating on a bed. this new scandal involves possible obstruction of justice. the media didn't really report on this a lot. the fbi did release 42 heavily redacted pages about the criminal investigation into hillary clinton's email server. the mom and pop shop, the bathroom close

citizens, the clinton campaign. conspiracy with respect to espionage, depending on whether information was obtained through russian spying and the level of their awareness of the spying, when i say aware, i mean trump, kushner, etc. the awareness of spying to receive this information. we need to follow the facts, and what did the rest of the family know and when did they know it? i have always been reluctant because i think impeachment is something that has an impact on the country. when the facts are clear, the law is certainly clear. when the facts are clear, then this congress will make a decision in that regard. i hope that the republicans will not stand in the way of the american people of getting the facts. when the president has clearly stated he can do whatever he wants. he is not accountable. any other questions? >> are you saying that people in that meeting violated those laws and have violated those laws? mrs. pelosi: yes. let me say this, because i hear the president saying things that are so, shall we sa

at that point at least, when the trump campaign, the clinton campaign, the democratic congressional committeehers know that it's part of an act of espionage against the united states government, at that point at least, the trump campaign should have aearth willed the fbi. so there was an opportunity -- at that point, they knew what was going on. somebody representing themselves as close to the kremlin. at that point, they had the opportunity to say, you know what, something happened a couple of weeks ago. we need to disclose it. they still didn't. >> do you think if then candidate obama in 2008 had someone -- had his wife or -- his kids were too young at that point but somebody incredibly close to him on his campaign who had his ear multiple times on a daily basis who took a meeting from somebody from russia claiming that they were a russian government attorney and then candidate trump says to mitt romney, russia is not the biggest threat, are you telling me that republicans would not -- >> sure, they'd -- >> -- pounce on that? >> if obama had ever eaten caviar, anything russian, the staggeri

do you think cnn, which provided the debate questions in advance to hillary clinton's campaign? liz: the media's elevating donald trump jr.'s, you know, meeting as if the trump campaign took foreign campaign donations. we know the clinton campaign under bill clinton did that with china, and they had to turn back money; right? >> yeah. i mean, the statutes that govern that, liz, is actually good time because there's a provision that they can point to. there's a civil law provision about taking foreign money. it's not really been used to prosecute, to take it to the crÈme level in the clinton case, which they actually had the transfer of funds. they did the refund back, you know? it was, again, a civil matter. these are not criminal matters. and in this situation, if everything out there is how the lawyer said it, how donald trump jr. has said it, is that it came to a close, there was no, there there to make the transfer -- i mean, the civil violation would not move forward. and i do think that this is, again, this is politics, and that's when you're going to hear words like treaso

instead of allegations about the trump campaign colluding with russia, this is about the clinton campaignbly colluding with ukraine, one of russia's biggest adversaries. at the center of the story is the ukrainian american woman named alexandra toluca. she is a veteran democratic operative who used to work in the clinton white house and in 2016 while consulting for the dnc she reportedly met with ukrainian ambassadors at the embassy in washington to discuss paul manafort's ties to russia. that took place right before manafort was brought on as his campaign chairman and a few days later she reportedly briefed the dnc staff about it. according to politico, "but ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race helping to force manafort's resignation and advancing the narrative that the trump campaign was deeply connected to russia." it goes on to say that "they were far less concerted or centrally directed than russia's. most quote u.s. intelligence officials have concluded that russia hacking was personally directed by president putin, but there's little evidence of a similar effort by ukraine,

clinton. a month later he says if the russians have e-mails i'd sure like to see them. how does he not know that his sop, his son-in-law, and campaign manager go to a meeting with a russian about dirt on clinton? again, he's exposing -- the president himself is further implicated in collusion. >> someone who knew what went on in that meeting would be the lawyer who sat down with donald trump jr. i want to take you to moscow where nbc's keir simmons stands by. he just wrapped an exclusive interview with that russian lawyer who is at the center of this controversy. keir, what did she tell you? >> reporter: well, she tells an at times confusing and fascinating story of the way that she was -- she got a call. now, she was talking to people, friends, she says, acquaintances, telling them that she wanted to try to reach out to powerful people in the u.s. and saying that she had questions about particular act, u.s. legislation, and that she also maybe had some information about the clinton campaign. she says that then fast forward, she says she got a phone call from someone, she doesn't know who that was, telling her to come to trump tower

. >> the moment there is an fbi investigation, into ukraine and the dnc coming on the clinton campaignto discuss it. that is not what is going on right now. >> isn't that interesting that there is no one, but go ahead. >> harris: that's consultant denying any wrongdoing as the clinton camp does. and how adam schiff blasted the comparison. >> well, it would be problematic to get any kind of support from a foreign government. but i think that to compare the two is like comparing bank robbery with writing a check with insufficient funds, both appropriate money from the bank if properly used, but a very different degree of seriousness and involvement in this case by a foreign government. >> harris: i had not heard you chuckle until that? what is funding? >> ron: it is a double standard in terms of what is the media, what are they really after versus things that they don't really care to look after. and there were a lot of things with foreign contacts with the clintons, not just with the ukrainian stuff, they had a lot of contacts with russia, the government, bill clinton getting half a mil

clinton. just a day later on sunday, when confronted or approached again by "the new york times" with their new reports about the dirt on the clinton campaign dangled in front of trump, jr., he released a statement saying -- >> two days, two different statements. now, you can make of that what you want. we'll talk more about it with the panel, whether it makes any sense on its own terms. what it represents is a contradiction of a line from his father on down have been saying about the campaign and russia. we don't know if this russian attorney is an agent of the kremlin. what is more important is what did the trump campaign know about when they met. here is kellyanne conway in december. >> absolutely not. i discussed that with the president-elect last night. those conversations never happened. i hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. that is just not only false, but it's dangerous. and it does undermine our democracy. >> and here's the vice president in january. >> of course not. why would there be any contacts between the campaign? chris, the -- this is all a distraction, and it's all a part of a narrative to delegitimize th