of the dictabelts. no one was supposed to touch them except rhodes. he said apart from it, the dictabelt, was there ever any other listening device in the oval office? and as i had said to my wife at breakfast that morning, if they -- i guess if they ask me a direct question, i will just have to answer. and know that -- i mean i knew would be the end of my career, certainly in washington. i just knew that. i mean, you can't imagine how nixon -- was so bugged on this thing being absolute secret. and it was an absolute secret all that time. we know that from what's on the tape. >> did you have any thoughts of calling the white house before going up? >> no. i certainly called him to say i would be testifying. my point of contact, when we left the white house, we all had a point of contact. and mine was len garmin. so i called len and told him is would testifying, or i thought i would be testifying and i told him about the, the friday 13th meeting. after that meeting. and then on monday mork whennin i was c

and we went through the president's dictabelts. all the different things that -- because i was thinking it came -- it was a created document by nixon based on what they thought dean would testify to. one was, how did they know what dean was going to testify to? but it was very precise and detailed. and my recollection is that alex took it and looked at it. he had been very straightforward. he said, well, this is -- i asked a couple questions. could this have come from the president's dictabelt? no, too detailed. could this have been -- no, john was the only note taker. we already knew john didn't have notes. so we went on like this. where did this come from? alex took it and very deliberately took it and set it down in front of himself. said, well, let me think about that for a minute. and the questions went off -- i finished up. the questions, don sanders, very skilled fbi agent. very fair. >> before we get to don, let me turn to alex at this point. alex, let's back up just a little bit and get your head as to when you'd been calle

fdi didn't inherit the taping system, but he was accustomed to using a dictabelt so it could pick up conversations around the desk. there are a few of his tapes that survived. the big tapers, if you will, are john f. kennedy, lyndon johnson and president nixon. john f. kennedy left us about 270 hours of tape. in fact, kennedy library has, i believe, just released a few more tapes. they've almost released all of those tapes. lyndon johnson left us 800 hours. most of them are telephone tapes. and the johnson library has released all of the telephone tapes. there are still some tapes that were done in the cabinet room that are to be reviewed and released i'm sure in the next few years. we're talking about 800 hours for johnson and about 200 hours for kennedy. then nixon. in 1971, february, president nixon doesn't personally install it. he orders its installation. it's installed by the secret service. this is a taping system that's going to grow. but ultimately, it would cover the following scenes and sights. the president's hideaway office in the executive office building, the oval offic