for example, the dynamics between hamas and israel. the past six years there has been three wars, and in the three wars, every time it ended with an agreement, you hardly hear anyone explaining how hamas men have guided the -- guarded the borders. they are the ones fighting the other factions firing at israel. >>> how do you convey things like that - hayden, this is a question for you as well - a lot of viewers writing in saying: >>> a lot of people don't know. my question for all of you is how do you make that accessible. how do you make an historic and difficult question accessible? >> well, with the people, like nick said, i guess the first thing you have to do is find the characters. it is, sometimes, very difficult to include all of the complexities on both sides of the debate, here in israel but across in gaza. the most obvious way to do that is with the people. the people in gaza directly affected by what's going on and do the same on the other side as well, the people on the other side of the border who had rockets come into th

what is fascinating this year is the dynamics between hamas and iran that has changed a little bit inge part because of the conflict, the hamas supporting the sunni rebels and iran supporting the shia-led government. there was a report of a breakup last year but leaders said they support the palestinians and they are reiterating that support with the rally today. >> it seems like it's just now getting started and with some of these close-up shots, we're seeing some signs about israel calling them the real terrorists. what are you seeing from your vantage point, reza, as far as the outpouring being anti-israel more so than other years so far during this rally? >> what's important to point out, natalie, this is a government-funded event. so you're going to see a lot of posters that were manufactured by the government. one, as you mentioned, saying that israel is the real terrorist. but despite the fact that this is a government-funded event, there is widespread outrage in iran and throughout the region over what is happening in gaza and the loss of lives of innocent civilians. the supre

. >> that changed the relationship between egypt and hamas gaza in particular who they link with the muslim brother hood. >> i think it's changed the dynamics government of ale sisi, the former army chief views hamas as a direct threat and enemy. it has taken action to ban hamas. i think it's happy to see hamas under pressure orvel not happy about the civilian casualties going along side that. israel says it's involved in extensive contact with all sides. israeli, palestinians, international players. it said this morning those contacts have been met. i think there's a feeling among analysts this time around egypt is not going to rush in to broker a truce that might throw a lifeline to hamas. in 2012 the deal brokered was favorable to hamas, offshoot of brother hood. this time around there's a different relationship between cairo and hamas. there's a sense in a way israel and egypt are in fact on the same page, both want og to see hamas brought to its knees. egypt insists it's doing all it can diplomatically and continuing every contact it can engage in. nobody is expecting it to deliver a truce quickly in this case if at all. >> in many cai

think one of the big changing dynamics in the region that gets to what you're talking about is the arab world is now split on this issue. if you look at the recent conflicts between israel and hamas 2009, go back to 2012, the arab world rallied, totally unified, behind hamas. now there's this huge division. you have the president in egypt who's been facilitating the cease-fire and is implicitly saying, israel, keep bombing. so i guess ido, maybe you could talk a little bit about how those relations with the arab world are impacting things on the ground. does it put pressure on those who want an end to hostilities to kind of back off? >> look, hamas, there's no question hamas is in a tough position. they lost syria, which was their number one backer. their number one provider of arms and ammunition. they lost the attention of iran. iran is now preoccupied with the international community. of course they lost their historical ideological patriarchs in egypt, the islamic brotherhood. and even within the palestinian world, the palestinian authority is now distancing itself from hamas. and the reason is because they know that hamas is wrong. hamas is wrong attacking innocent people. h

the past rounds of fighting between israel and hamas. hamas has to be brought around to that position. how long it's gonna take, at what price, nobody knows. but politically, very dynamic as the prime minister comes under fire, certainly physically from hamas, but politically from people in his own party who think he's been too forthcoming, too flexible in the negotiations. >> you talk about the price, that is actually something i wanted to get to earlier today, the prime minister said the following, that the purpose of the operation was and remains to restore the quiet and to severely damage hamas. we have harmed them and foiled attempts to attack israeli citizens, but you almost pose a question i want to pose to you, at what cost? there's no -- no one is questioning the right for israel to defend itself, but we are now looking at nearly 200 palestinians killed and hamas is still firing rockets. >> well, if israeli army goes into the gaza strip, kate, that number of palestinian casualties would almost certainly go much higher. israeli air force operates with surgical accuracy and even with surgical accuracy, you have what's called collateral damage, you have civilians