the programming. about 20 engineers, people knew how to get grease under their fingernails, and they built eniac and itorks. it's kind of a sign you can't do it alone in the digital age you need that team. >> and times if you have a team, it doesn't work, either. >> and if you have a team without a visionary, vision without execution is just ha louis hallucination. but if you have a lot of execution but not a vision driving it then it becomes bearing. but when you look at the transis transistor or the original computer driven by mockley and the six women programmers, you have to have that right combination ofçó visionaries and the team who can actually care. >> and timing, if you're a stafrt start-up trying to bring a thing to market, there are so many things today that you can look back ten years and say, oh yeah, that company tried it but it was tooe1 early. >> they have to fall on fertile ground. >> at the right time, too, when things are available you need to actually make it grow. >> we're almost out of time, but there was one thing i saw you mention which was very interesting in that you mentione