no, the fbi continue to appeals the case. at some point the fbi needs to hone up to the retaliation and end these cases. that's something within the director's power. something he could and should do immediately. finally, i want to thank the director for his candor in answering one of my written questions about the fbi's attempt to overclassify a memorandum provided to us. in a rare admission of fault, the written questions noted that the fbi erroneously stamped a memo to the congress as, quote/unquote, sensitive security information under the code of federal regulations. at first glance the stamp apeeshs to limit disclosure of the memo. how far, he closer looked and revealed the white house was using the authority reserve for the administrator of tsa. we in congress understand the need to appropriately classify information. this was an example of the cynical classification materials. i'm happy that the fbi honed up to this task or occasion, but worry it could signal a problem. i look forward to addressing these topics. thank

takes on non-fbi aircrafts, such as dod and faa planes. does the attorney general use fbi aircraft for both business and personal travel? >> he is required to use fbi -- not necessarily fbi, but he is required to use government aircraft so that he is in continuous communications contact. >> does the fbi charge the attorney general's use of the fbi plane against its own budget or against the attorney general's own travel budget? >> i do think it goes against our budget, but i have to check on that. the i didn't cancies between the billing of the department of justice and ourselves for the attorney general i would have to get back to you on. >> yeah. then the question comes, why would the fbi be paying for this? >> i -- i would have to look at that. it is probably historical. it may be that we are responsible for his security now wherever he is, at whatever particular point in time, whatever transportation he uses. and how that is specifically billed, i will have to go and check on. >> and it is my understanding according to my friend on the left her

this includes the fbi. some republicans believe we should not be abiding by the appropriations figures agreed to in the budget control act last year, but that spending should be lower. what would happen across the board funding was cut -- how to handle would you handle that? again, we would have to prioritize. in my opening statement that i provided to the committee, you can see the various threats that we are facing. we would have to cut down. we would have to find some area amongst those priorities were we would have to reduce personnel. but it is very hard to pick when reducing personnel to gang violence, the threat of child pronography -- every one of those priorities that we have is a substantial priority to the american outlook and security in the united states, but we would have to prioritize. that is what we had to do after september 11. we would have to do it again. >> and if the sequestration that was mandated by the budget control act, if we were allowed to go into effect january 1, how many agent

the fbi. witnesses picked selectively? other people that should have been spoken to emendations elsewhere that a number of people in the radical far-right had knowledge of the bombing? white and the fbi go talk to those people? the nichols team to take it in reverse did an unbelievably thorough job of looking at the evidence against the defendants and asking those are questions. they managed to embarrass the government repeatedly. to illustrate the things were not quite as the government had shown, and that was a big part of the reason why nichols was not convicted on the main murder charge which is to trial. he was eventually convicted of involuntary manslaughter and conspiracy and get life instead of the death penalty. more significantly from the perspective of 2012, their investigative work and everything that it generated has given a tremendous amount of material to researchers and historians. stephen jones in particular did not drill down on the evidence. there were places where he could show the government up. looking

why didn't the fbi talk to those people? the nichols team, did an unbelievably thorough job of looking at the evidence against the defendant and asking those hard questions. the government was manage to be embarrassed repeatedly. that was a big part of the reason why that nichols got life instead of the death penalty. more significantly, that investigative review work. and everything that was generated gave a tennis amount of material to research and historians of the future to understand what happened. the mcveigh defense team really fell down on the job. even shown, in particular, she didn't tell them on the evidence. i think there were places where he could have really shown the government up. just to give two examples, how mcveigh and nichols learned how to build a bomb. there are vast gaps of how that happened. in the summer of 1994, they were messing around with pipe bombs. in the fall of 1994 they expected with more versions of what turned into be the oklahoma city bomb. according to timothy mcveigh, in the book americ

the 36th president. sunday night on c-span. fbiector robert mueller con officialed that the bureau is investigating who leaked information about the iraq bomb squad. the director told the senate judiciary committee that such leaks during ongoing law enforcement officers damage u.s. relationship with foreign partners. this oversight hearings is a little more than two hours. >> the the director these photographers are all good people. i've been told by my son-in-law who used to work with them i have a certain ament of jells sei, because they have the job they really wanted to except that they're a lot better at it than i'd be so. i had to take the senate as a second choice. so senator grassily -- here we begin it appropriate we welcome robert mueller back to the committee during national police week. he and i were the national peace officers memorial service with president obama at the capitol yesterday. and one of the things we talked about before several of us did every year we're losing too many fine law enforcement officers in th

another critical tool is the fbi's ability to accept electronic communications. many social networking conduit's, in contrast to traditional communications carriers, are not able now to produce the electronic communications we seek in response to a court order. when investigators cannot collect communications pursuant to a court order in near real- time, they may not be able to act quickly enough to disrupt threats to protect public safety. laws covering this area have not been updated since 1994, a lifetime ago in the internet age. we are working with congress, the courts, our law enforcement partners and the private sector to ensure that our ability to intercept communications is not eroded by advances in technology. one last but very important point -- the fbi has always adapted to meet new threats. we must continue to evolve because terrorists, spies, and hackers certainly will, but our values can never change. regardless of emerging threats, the impact of globalization or changing technology, the rule of law will remain the fbi's guiding principle. in the end

but they are doing both the fbi and the u.s.orney there are doing great work. >> i'm familiar with the investigation we cannot and open communication discuss it. >> on gasoline prices, do you know any uptick in criminal activity there with respect to price gouging? >> have not. i guess that's something i have to get back to you on. i would have to go back and find out where we are on now. >> thank you. again, thank you for your great work. my time has expired. >> thank you very much. i yield now to senator graham. i was going to senator blumenthal if he's willing to take the chair. and i am going to something else because i told you earlier, both publicly and privately, direct or train for it your cooperation and some of the things he said will have to be a closed session we can follow-up with you privately. >> thank you. the next thank you good senator graham. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you again for your service. i'm going to give you as series of questions to explore the senate early was talking about so we don't have

if the fbi did not address the priorities, they often would not be addressed. transnational, international organized crime because organized crime cuts across various jurisdictions and became the third criminal priority. white collar crime. that is number four. five was violent crime. you will see left off that list are a number of things, including the drug cases we have traditionally done previously. but when we say priority, we meant priority. you have to address priorities in order. i moved almost 2000 agents from the criminal programs to counter terrorism and national security because that was the priority. we have, since september 11, then run according to a set of priorities that we continuously review, but precludes us from doing things we have traditionally done, we all enjoyed doing, but is not as necessary as the priorities we have identifd, and we were fairly rigorous when it comes to budget, when it comes to personnel. we adhere to those priorities. in a tighter budget, those are the things that save you because you go down the priorities and are a

it was either the fbi or whatever. se three, you know, entities were saying, look, you know, he's not -- you're not getting the right information out of him. you need to ask questions and the people that i spoke to said they weren't getting -- those theafn that they weren't getting the right information out of him. so -- >>. >> hi. david. you just said something thought i -- a guy like khalid sheikh mohammed can come out of nowhere. no bad's dead and the the ranks of al qaeda have been dismated by the predators. i know, the sub -- smart guys in groups with the roots there have through the timings we're bombing shown a transnational reach. where is the next threat coming? is someone like ksm likely to come up with one of the groups how can we identify or prevent such a threat? >> that's a great question, david. i think one of the most disagree intriguing people that i focused on since 2006, and at the time, i didn't know this, was one of ksm's proteges. i didn't know this at the time we, you know, ksm liked people he tho

this includes the fbi. some believe we should not be abiding by the figures agreed to in the budget control act last year and that spending should be lower. what would happen if there was a drastic cut to funding, including the fbi of 5%? how would you handle that? >> we would have to prioritize. in my lengthier statement that i provided to the committee, you can see the various threats that we are facing. we would have to cut down, we would have to find some area where we would have to reduce personnel. it is very hard to pick when you are reducing personnel to address the cyber threat, reducing personnel in addressing the threat of a child pornography. every priority is a substantial priority to the american public and the security of the united states. we would have to prioritize. we would have to cut it again. >> if the sequestration mandated by the budget control act were allowed to go into affect january 1, how many agents would have to be let go? >> several hundreds, if not over 1000. >> how many do h

now, i would like to talk a little bit about relations between the fbi and the nypd. overall, it's been a great relationship. it's been a smooth relationship. it's been, i think, pointed to as an outstanding example of the joint terrorism task force of cooperation between the federal government and state government and local government. but over the last few months, there have been a number of things that create a growing concern that that relationship may be fraying a little bit. particularly in regard to information sharing, which i know obviously you have to be very careful with, but these are two law enforcement agencies involved together in fighting terrorism. i don't want to -- there have been cases where the nypd believes it has not been briefed on the specifics of terrorist plots. which is the type of information they need because of new york city being a top terror target. the joint terrorism task force should know information regarding terror plots relating to new york city at the same time the fbi knows of the information in order to give them the best chan

the fbi's foreign language program has made great strides in its ability to meet the rising demand of fbi language needs since 9/11. the program has moved forward through increased recruitment, hiring retention, specialized training, technology, and collaboration. we have also significant lip increased the range and volume of the foreign language training the fbi offers to personnel who need to develop language proficiency to do their jobs. programs include academic emergent training and tailored language courses. we realize we are not able to address our foreign language needs with recruitment, hiring, or training alone. so we also invest in the development of human language technology tools. these tools provide the ability to triage and process large volumes of information while enabling the workforce to enhance productivity. through collaboration, we address our foreign language needs by leveraging the intelligence community and other partners through cross-community resource sharing, joint duty assignments and interagency short-term temporary duty assignment opportunities. we work

helped the fbi actually corrupt the fbi?ver the years, i mean, we found out that his value to the fbi was actually minimal. he was not really giving a lot of information to them. in actuality, they were protecting him and allowing him to more or less do what he wanted to do out there. including murder. and you cannot have informants out there killing people. that's not the way it works. they should have been targets instead of informants. >> how much was the fact that his brother was -- was i think was speaker of the house at one point -- >> senate president. >> senate president. how much did that create at least an aura around him? did that affect it in any way? >> it did. i don't think people realized. it was kind of like a folk story a little bit, where he had the brother probably in the most powerful position in the government of massachusetts and he had the other brother as probably the most powerful mob boss in the area at the time. and they both played off that. they played off those reputations. and when it was neces

it was either the fbi or the -- whatever.three entities were saying, look, you are not getting the right information you need to ask better questions. that those -- that even after that they were not getting the right information out of him. >> you just said something which i found rather disturbing. a guy like khalid sheikh mohammed can come out of nowhere. now, bin laden is dead and the middle ranks of al qaeda have been decimated by the predators. but i know that it is full of smart guys through bombay and the bombay bombing, it shows a transitional -- a trans-atlantic reach. how can we identify and prevent such a threat? >> that is a great question, david. one of the most intriguing people that i have focused on since 2006, at the time i didn't even notice was one of ksm's protÉges, but ksm really like people he thought could function in free world. three worlds, -- [inaudiblex name] spoke english and arabic. -- people like that, i forget if he grew up in the city of graz in florida. but he was born in saudi arabiaz i for

now the fbi is stepping up the fight. >>> and best week ever? after a $20 billion payday, mark zuckerberg swaps the hoodie for a tie and a surprise walk down zuckerberg swaps the hoodie for a tie and a surprise walk down the aisle. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> good evening. finding a way forward and a way out of afghanistan is chief among the pressing items at the table in chicago this evening, where president obama is hosting the leaders of nato, along with dozens of other heads of state. but there are competing agendas vying to be heard on the streets of chicago tonight whereas anticipated thousands of anti-war and other protesters have marched on the nato summit. and there is late word some of those demonstrations have gotten a bit out of hand. for police trying to keep the peace, it's made for some high anxiety against a backdrop of high stakes diplomacy. we have two reports from chicago tonight. we begin with nbc's john yang on the streets. john, what's happening? >> reporter: lester, chicago police are slowly and metho

what more can the fbi do to be helpful with this really terrible, terrible thing? >> we have a program that we have had for a substantial period of time in which we focus on this phenomenon throughout the united states. and we have on a number of occasions had substantial ta takedowns of individuals who are involved in it. unfortunately, that does not end the problem. there are many more out there. the gratifying aspect of it from persons who work this is the victims we're able to save in terms of our activity. it's another area where we would love to be able to put additional resources. we try to leverage what resources we have because every child saved is a child that we'll remember for a good long time. >> thank you. >> senator cobb. >> thank you, mr. chairman. following up on the last point, you talked before about the need to prioritize in the event of sequesteration. every one of these responsibilities that the federal bureau of investigation have are important to nothing, and in many cases, they're important to the entire citizenry. when you said the budget w

the fbi saying this group of men are self-proclaimed anarchists. ally buy the c-4 explosives because the fbi had infiltrated their group. our homeland security expert fran townsend, we're trying to get her back on the phone to kind of like figure this out and tell us how serious. fran is in. fran, you're on the phone right now. i don't know if you heard any of that. i hope you did. >> you know, carol, as we learn more, the fbi has said at the press conference the explosives were in earth. what that means to me, they had either doctored them or they had been, as we suggested earlier, as part of a sting operation, they had made them and were providing them. they were confident it was never a threat. >> part of this fbi report says the public was never in danger from the explosive devices which were controlled by an undercover fbi employee. what does that mean to you? >> so, as we suggested earlier, carol. this was a sting operation and we don't know yet how the fbi identified the group, but, clearly, there was an fbi agent who posed as the individual

this includes the fbi. some believe we should not be abiding by the figures agreed to in the budget control act last year and that spending should be lower. what would happen if there was a drastic cut to funding, including the fbi of 5%? how would you handle that? >> we would have to prioritize. in my lengthier statement that i provided to the committee, you can see the various threats that we are facing. we would have to cut down, we would have to find some area where we would have to reduce personnel. it is very hard to pick when you are reducing personnel to address the cyber threat, reducing personnel in addressing the threat of a child pornography. every priority is a substantial priority to the american public and the security of the united states. we would have to prioritize. we would have to cut it again. >> if the sequestration mandated by the budget control act were allowed to go into affect january 1, how many agents would have to be let go? >> several hundreds, if not over 1000. >> how many do h

when i talked to both the fbi director muller and more importantly when i went back to the twin cities and talked to special agent in charge there, both said that the somali community had been cooperative in fbi investigations. and i think it was because of actually very good police work and very good work by the fbi in making sure that they earned the trust of the somali community there. my questions are to chief davis and to officer gale. both of you have served as law enforcement officers. how do you earn the trust of the diverse communities that you serve? some of which -- some of whom may be initially skeptical of the police? >> thank you, senator, and one stop at a time. one day at a time. one interaction at a time. i think when people -- i think we have to, one, acknowledge the history police have played. the role of law enforcement with regard to race in this country. we still have generations of people that remember the segregation. generations of people that are still here that remember when the police were the enforcement tool and rule of law with regard to jim crow and blac

the fbi think this is related to the anniversary of osama bin laden? >> at this point, they saying no, shape. from what they detailed, they part a self-described anaist group with no known ties to internationalitism and like the plots in our area, the fbi appears to have uncovered the plan. the fbi said the target was a bridge over the cuyahoga valley national park and that is in brecksville, ohio, about 15 miles south of cleveland. authorities say the five men under arrest are self-described anarchists and, starting in october, the fbi infiltrated their group. they say the public was never in any danger when the suspect placed what they thought were c- 4 explosives at the bias of the bridge on monday. in fact, those were duds provided to the suspects by federal authorities. >> last night, the coconspirators placed the two i.d.s at the base of the concrete -- for this brecksville-northfield high- level bridge and attempted to remotely detonate the devices from the location that they deemed safe and one that was possibly giving them an alibi. all sides

about without the rh stuff the fbi and you. >> the only thing the fbi will give him credit for him toet the nickname of muktar and that was it. >> >> bill: so you contend that alisoufan is not telling the truth here. >> he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. we got thousands of intelligence reports that basically allowed us to take down and destroy the al qaeda organization attacked us on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and the cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually the relationships are very good and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this soufan and just causing trouble. >> is he a difficult guy. he had difficulty before he even got to the black side. he had difficulty during the millennium plot in jordan. he was thrown out there. he had difficulty after he left us and went to guantanamo after he left. >> mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi agents we are trained to deal with facts. ksm defied by us in ear

he was locked up yesterday afternoon after the fbi recorded him taking the modified weapon from a man he thought was a helpful gunsman. the fbi said the agents began taking a closer look at doug story in august of last june after a confidential inform object came period to say that -- came forward to say that story expressed interest in modifying a ak-47 to fire three shot earths. according to the affidavit story used the screen name confederate brother while posting messages on white supremacist websites. an agent said they had a propensity for hatred and violence. in fact, the affidavit quotes two posts attributed to story threatening violence against president obama and attorney general eric holder. story wrote i think there is one way o bummer would be proven as a mere mortal, if someone puts a 30 aught six round at the base of his skill, huh, you think? the second post read holder will likely be removed when the administration changes in 2012. although personally, i prefer removing him from office with a 30 aught six. story made news two years ago when he put a mural on the tameg

the fbi and you? the only thing give credit to get the nickname of muktar and this was it. >> bill: you contend that ali zufan is not telling the truth here. >> i contend and he doesn't know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this zufan. >> rogue guy. he had difficulty black side. he had difficulty millennium plot in jordan. he had difficulty after he left us and he went to gahanna guantanamo with the military. >> is he a difficult guy. >> all right. well the book is fascinating. i have to say. anybody who is interested in the war on terror thank you for coming. >> in thank you very much. >> bill: radical left wants america to fail. show you more proof of that unde

and that's how he became head of the fbi. hoover survival to the thicket was a masterpiece of bureaucratic dextery. he learned a lot of lessons. he learned a life-long distress of communism, liberal, people who would stand up under the pretext and civil liberties and a life-long sense of empowerment to bend the rules for the country and themselves. i know, it's interesting, in talking about j. hoover to talk about his sex life and what he may or may not have done with clyde. my own feeling, the more important lessons from his life deal with how we address civil liberties in our country in times of stress. when he look back at the red scare generation. we often dismiss them, look down of them as a group that engaged in a over reaction. we today are are no different than them. we are no smarter than the people who were alive at this time. we have to be careful that we can conduct ourselves in a way that future generations will not judge us the way we judge them. with that, i thank you for you patience. i hope we have a little ti

about without the rh stuff the fbi and you. >> the only thing the fbi will give him credit for him toame of muktar and that was it. >> >> bill: so you contend that alisoufan is not telling the truth here. >> he doesn't know because he was not there when we started to do the enhanced interrogation techniques. he doesn't know what we got. we got thousands of intelligence reports that basically allowed us to take down and destroy the al qaeda organization attacked us on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and the cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually the relationships are very good and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this soufan and just causing trouble. >> is he a difficult guy. he had difficulty before he even got to the black side. he had difficulty during the millennium plot in jordan. he was thrown out there. he had difficulty after he left us and went to guantanamo after he left. >> mr. rodriguez is totally wrong here. as fbi agents we are trained to deal with facts. ksm defied by us in early april of

how many people in the fbi spoke arabic? >> eight, nine, something like that. >> smith: how many of them were working on al qaeda? >> i don't know. i think maybe i was the on one. >> smith: soufan was made chief investigator for the uss cole investigation, a major assignment. that's soufan there in a meeting with yemen's president, ali abdullah saleh, and fbi director louis freeh. you began the investigation. how do you begin something that? where do you start? >> you start fro scene. you start taking statements from people who were on the ship, or people in the harbor, anybody who saw something. and you start building on that. by the time he got to yemen, soufan knew al qaeda as well as anyone in the fbi. and he had a special approach to his interrogations. >> what we did all the time in cases like these is to outsmart that individual. you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. >> smith: you compared interrogations-- interrogating somebody-- as like dating. sometimes, it is. and i tried to basically... ( laughs)

the fbi has a situation room of its own. nter provides the eyes, ears, and intelligent support for agents out on the street. wendy rieger gives us an exclusive look inside. >> reporter: when it's busy, how full up does this place get? >> it's really standing room only. >> reporter: really. it's officially called ctoc. it was created after september 11th. recently when an fbi sting caught a guy who wanted to blow up capitol hill, the command scepter got hot as they waited for the agents to take the guy down stlachlt a hundred cameras at their disposal, but fear not. they're not this morning people on the street. >> we only have time to use them when we have spaechlk command post or a special event that requires us to have an wareness of what's going on on the street. >> reporter: that increases during presidential inaugurations, state of the union speeches, even the fourth of july. >> for example, the fourth quarter of july, we're working in advance to say who do we need working. >> reporter: even the security within the comma

the fbi, u.s. attorney's office not involved in this process. >> so, chuck, tell us what's on the agenda at the nato summit. >> reporter: well, nato is all about afghanistan. this is all about putting down pen to paper on the withdrawal plan of nato, which, of course, is mostly u.s. combat troops, by the end of 2014. but it's also a fund-raising meeting of sorts, where the united states is going to be asking other countries, other member nations of nato to help contribute to the cost of securing afghanistan after 2014. it's going to cost upwards of $4 billion a year. and of course, u.s. officials don't want all of that to come out of u.s. taxpayer dollars. >> all right, chuck todd, thanks very much. let's bring in david gregory, moderator of "meet the press." good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, lester. >> these supports, the g-8 and nato conference, it's all about the president trying to get world leaders on the same page, in the first case about the euro debt crisis, the second case of

the fbi is being tight lipped about the case which i find is curious.uld they be more forthcoming? >> well, i think the problem with -- when suicide is suspected as here that he may have committed suicide is that a lot of people didn't recognize it and feel guilty about it and doctors are very bad at treating people who are depressed who may be suicidal and don't give them proper treatment. >> that is true, too. but the fbi when one of their own is missing and it is no holds barred why do they think they are being so tight lipped, mark? >> we really don't know what his job function was what the fbi. we don't know what unit he left when came to -- >> national security. >> we don't know, i mean national security goes quite a range. so we don't really know what he was exposed to. we don't know what his record is and where he was with the finn. we don't know if he has any kind of post traumatic stress situation. >> he was a cop about that. >> eight years lapd. are the wife is also tight lipped. she would certainly know why he is depressed. if he went into t

the fbi and you? hing give credit to get the nickname of muktar and this was it. >> bill: you contend that ali zufan is not telling the truth here. >> i contend and he doesn't know when we started doing the enhanced interrogation tech -- techniques. we got thousands of reports that got us to take down and destroy the al qaeda on 9/11. he doesn't know. >> bill: is there bad blood between the fbi and cia on the terror front? >> no, there is not. actually, the relationships are very good. and having improved with time. >> bill: this guy is just a rogue guy this zufan. >> rogue guy. he had difficulty black side. he had difficulty millennium plot in jordan. he had difficulty after he left us and he went to gahanna guantanamo with the military. >> is he a difficult guy. >> all right. well the book is fascinating. i have to say. anybody who is interested in the war on terror thank you for coming. >> in thank you very much. >> bill: radical left wants america to fail. show you more proof of that undercover vid

the new. he was overruled. an fbi agent got on the phone with him and asked them a lot of our questions and they managed to arrest outside of the investigation in a move swiftly on. the whole history of strausmeier was left hanging. the osama bin laden family after 9/11 when they should be the first people that the fbi went to talk to but instead because they had connections because george bush was friendly with other members of the family they were put straight on the plane and flown out of the country. something similar happened to strausmeier. he was about to leave and that was the end of that and again another hughes bit -- huge missed opportunity in the investigation my opinion. let's do one more question and i've been going for quite a while. one more, keep it brief. thank you. >> operation patriot conspiracy and the failure of the fbi to investigate the f. -- right wing extremist before the bombing was partly because of reluctance with waco and ruby ridge and satisfactory resolve of those issues was partly resp